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[Rebel - KGC]

Geeeezzz.....now you guys sound like Jean. Hazzlewood's copies came from the original source, the publication. Most likely he was a hopeful true believer as well.

LOL! That BAD, eh... ROFL. FACTS: NO documentation that N. Hazlewood got his CIPHERS from Beale PAPERS Pamphlet. THEN, NH stated that "THE TREASURE" was related to "Buried Treasure" near the Peaks of Otter; reading the Medium "statement" indicated "THE TREASURE" was to the left of Peaks of Otter, which is correct, as it pertains to Harkening Hill/Hearken Hill (one of the THREE Peaks)... under the Lion's Head (Balance Rock) above JOHNSON FARM (near old MONS, Va.). BAD NEWS... ALL "FED LANDS"; Bah Humbug! MAY help to read PV's book, THE PEAKS OF OTTER: Life & Times.

 

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[ECS]

... Hazzlewood's copies came from the original source, the publication. Most likely he was a hopeful true believer as well.

I don't believe CSA Lt Newton Hazelwood was a true believer in the Beale treasure, but used the ciphers as a ploy to involve the Hart brothers in a hunt for another treasure unrelated to the Beale Papers.
The Harts became true believers and George Hart converted Pauline Innis as a true believer and the word was out.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

AND! Sharp Top of the THREE Peaks of Otter was the HIGHEST "Sighting" land-mark of the area...

 

[bigscoop]

If Hazzlewood had copies of the three ciphers then there's only one point of origin for those ciphers, the Beale papers. The fact that he had them and that he even had copies made points pretty heavily towards his believing in the tale.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

If Hazzlewood had copies of the three ciphers then there's only one point of origin for those ciphers, the Beale papers. The fact that he had them and that he even had copies made points pretty heavily towards his believing in the tale.

NOPE! NH most likely had his CIPHERS since 1865...

 

[bigscoop]

NOPE! NH most likely had his CIPHERS since 1865...

Reb, NH never had those copies until after the Beale papers were published. Prior to this there wasn't so much as a hint or whisper of a lost treasure and ciphers, etc. ECS is correct when he says that the Beale papers started it all because it very clearly did. What NH contributed was just more local romance and lore to it all. Had he been the first to produce the ciphers, ahead of the Beale papers and the rumor of treasure and ciphers, well, then perhaps it might be more then simple romance and lore, but he very clearly didn't.

 

[TN_Guest1523]

If Hazzlewood had copies of the three ciphers then there's only one point of origin for those ciphers, the Beale papers. The fact that he had them and that he even had copies made points pretty heavily towards his believing in the tale.

 

[bigscoop]

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Exactly, long after the Beale papers had been published. Then from here Hart copies Hazzlewood's copies.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

Exactly, long after the Beale papers had been published. Then from here Hart copies Hazzlewood's copies.

Heh; so even HAZLEWOOD knew the order of the Cipher Pages... INTERESTING!

 

[TN_Guest1523]

Heh; so even HAZLEWOOD knew the order of the Cipher Pages... INTERESTING!

In 1857 ? four score years before 1897 ?

 

[bigscoop]

Heh; so even HAZLEWOOD knew the order of the Cipher Pages... INTERESTING!

Now you're catching on. Hazzlewood simply copied the order from the Beale papers. You see, if the story was true, like Jean and others wish to believe, then if Hazzlewood's copies were before the publication then they wouldn't have been marked, 1,2,3...."exactly as according to the pamphlet author." Just more nails in the already sealed coffin.

 

[TN_Guest1523]

Now you're catching on. Hazzlewood simply copied the order from the Beale papers. You see, if the story was true, like Jean and others wish to believe, then if Hazzlewood's copies were before the publication then they wouldn't have been marked, 1,2,3...."exactly as according to the pamphlet author." Just more nails in the already sealed coffin.

Just posting that facts Bro . If it leads to someone spinning them as you do, well thats just what you do I guess !

 

[bigscoop]

Just posting that facts Bro . If it leads to someone spinning them as you do, well thats just what you do I guess !

Barn, seagull, or lion? Which is #1, #2, #3?
How can anyone use an unintelligible missing piece of paper to decode ciphers? How can someone know that a "missing unintelligible piece of paper" is required?
You claim to know these answers, so please, have at it. Here's your chance to shock the academic world, one way or the other.

 

[TN_Guest1523]

Barn, seagull, or lion? Which is #1, #2, #3?
How can anyone use an unintelligible missing piece of paper to decode ciphers? How can someone know that a "missing unintelligible piece of paper" is required?
You claim to know these answers, so please, have at it. Here's your chance to shock the academic world, one way or the other.

1. The seagull is the smallest so that can be first .
2. The lion is next for it is the next size up .
3. The barn is last for it is biggest of all .

 

[TN_Guest1523]

1. The seagull is the smallest so that can be first .
2. The lion is next for it is the next size up .
3. The barn is last for it is biggest of all .

But now you find the Barn is a cat and needs to be put to the space of #2 and the lion is moved to 3rd for it is bigger than the Seagull

 

[TN_Guest1523]

But now you find the Barn is a cat and needs to be put to the space of #2 and the lion is moved to 3rd for it is bigger than the Seagull

So now in 2016 we have
1. The Seagull
2. The Cat
3. The Lion

 

[TN_Guest1523]

So now in 2016 we have
1. The Seagull
2. The Cat
3. The Lion

 

[bigscoop]

You see Jean, unless you know exactly how each cipher is composed (worded) you have no clue how length might come into play. And since the author had no clue what was to be in C2 before his numbering it and alleged decoding of it there is no possible way that he could determine it's length/contents from the others as he had absolutely no clue what type of information it might contain.

As for your Crypty strands, this all came around after the fact so it is just magical math out of convenience. But even if it wasn't, then how did your author know to do this as this is never detailed in Beale's alleged letters so how did the author know to do it? Either way you are confirming that the information in the Beale pamphlet regarding the order of the ciphers is complete "a lie" and that the author already knew that order. There's just no escaping these cold hard facts anymore, not for anybody. The same goes with the, "unintelligible missing piece of paper." You can keep weaving around and dodging the obvious but you are only further sinking yourself and your claims.

 

[bigscoop]

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No. This is not how paleontologist do it. Not even close. Maybe you should inquire about the proper tools of the trade.

 

[TN_Guest1523]

You see Jean, unless you know exactly how each cipher is composed (worded) you have no clue how length might come into play. And since the author had no clue what was to be in C2 before his numbering it and alleged decoding of it there is no possible way that he could determine it's length/contents from the others as he had absolutely no clue what type of information it might contain.

As for your Crypty strands, this all came around after the fact so it is just magical math out of convenience. But even if it wasn't, then how did your author know to do this as this is never detailed in Beale's alleged letters so how did the author know to do it? Either way you are confirming that the information in the Beale pamphlet regarding the order of the ciphers is complete "a lie" and that the author already knew that order. There's just no escaping these cold hard facts anymore, not for anybody. The same goes with the, "unintelligible missing piece of paper." You can keep weaving and dodging the obvious but you are only further sinking yourself and your claims.

Well, it is very easy to look at and figure out . I have shown you 3 different ways how the cipher order has become what it is and can not make it simple enough .

But lets look at it again shall we !
Plan A
1. Paper with 71 comes first for it starts with a number lower then <100 .
2. Paper with 115 comes next for it starts with a number lower the <300 .
3. Paper with 317 comes last for it starts with a number over 300> .

Plan B Crypto Strand
1. The page with 71 comes first for it has a 1 as the second digit .
2. The page with 11 and a 5 comes next for it is a roman numeral for 2 .
3. the page with 317 is last because of the 3 and the 17 .


71 = 7 1
115= 2 II
317= 3 3 and

71> II <17


Plan C According to length

500 + #1
600 + #2
700 + #3

Then the person finds 700+ to be #2 as the decoded cipher states this .

500 + #1
700 + #2
600 + #3

As left by the person that decoded the 700 + page