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... The main character in this story, a Thomas J. Beale, is described as being of, "dark and swarthy complexion" or of a, "natural skin tone that is dark and swarthy." In 1863 would this not possibly merit the keeping of a white family secret?

"...a dark and swarthy complexion, as if much exposure to the sun and weather had discolored him" does not read as a man of color.

 

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[ECS]

Fiction; "literature in the form of prose, especially short stories and novels, that describes imaginary events and people." Just thought it best to clear that up with fact. ...

But yes, you are correct, even in this very direct but limited explanation it is easy to see that a Thomas J. Beale, a man of color living in Richmond, couldn't possibly be connected to Ward, Lynchburg, Richmond, or the publication...

If the Beale story in the text has NO bearing of this secret hidden story, the character names and events employed in the pamphlet are used as a fictional device to create the story therein.
...and, yes, it is easy to see that Alderman Beale is not connected to Ward and Lynchburg, except for the "urgent business in Richmond" on which this fantasy theory is based.

 

[bigscoop]

"...a dark and swarthy complexion, as if much exposure to the sun and weather had discolored him" does not read as a man of color.

Dude, you can keep trying to twist juice out of the stone all you want to but "complexion" is defined as being "natural skin tone" which is why your author uses "as if" in illustrating the depth/condition of that "natural skin tone." White men do not possess a natural dark and swarthy complexion.

You know, you are an interesting study, someone who believes that the author/authors was/were brilliant enough to incorporate so much family history into an ingeniously crafted publication for parlor entertainment and yet this same source was too stupid to understand the definitions of the very words used in that narration. Quite the conundrum, or even paradox, indeed.

 

[bigscoop]

If the Beale story in the text has NO bearing of this secret hidden story, the character names and events employed in the pamphlet are used as a fictional device to create the story therein.
...and, yes, it is easy to see that Alderman Beale is not connected to Ward and Lynchburg, except for the "urgent business in Richmond" on which this fantasy theory is based.

So now you're suggesting that a Thomas J. Beale is in no way connected to the story being represented by Ward. Hmmmmm.....could you please send me a copy of the copy that you're reading because it is vastly different then mine, for sure.

 

[bigscoop]

And by the way, in my copy, the author clearly narrates that it was upon Beale's second visit that he appeared, and I quote, "darker then ever!"
"Darker then ever," now what might "then ever" imply? Now does this sound like a white man to you? If so might I suggest that you read more Sherlock Holmes.

PS: How's the hand? Any bones broken yet?

 

[TN_Guest1523]

And by the way, in my copy, the author clearly narrates that it was upon Beale's second visit that he appeared, and I quote, "darker then ever!"
"Darker then ever," now what might "then ever" imply? Now does this sound like a white man to you? If so might I suggest that you read more Sherlock Holmes.

PS: How's the hand? Any bones broken yet?

Are you familiar with the term Creole ?

 

[bigscoop]

Are you familiar with the term Creole ?

Very! "a person of mixed European and black descent, especially in the Caribbean."
This has been a topic of discussion many times over the years in these forums, generally in those threads where Jean Laffite has been at issue.

Mulatto; "a person of mixed white and black ancestry, especially a person with one white and one black parent."

 

[TN_Guest1523]

Very! "a person of mixed European and black descent, especially in the Caribbean."
This has been a topic of discussion many times over the years in these forums, generally in those threads where Jean Laffite has been at issue.

Mulatto; "a person of mixed white and black ancestry, especially a person with one white and one black parent."

To be Creole dose not imply you have black blood at all .

 

[bigscoop]

The definitions of Cajun & Creole are often mistaken/confused and applied inaccurately.

Cajun; "a member of any of the largely self-contained communities in the bayou areas of southern Louisiana formed by descendants of French Canadians, speaking an archaic form of French."

Creole;"a person of mixed European and black descent, especially in the Caribbean."

And then there is the following....this being the same sort of differences/confusion that often exist in emancipated slaves and free people of color.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creole_peoples

 

[TN_Guest1523]

The definitions of Cajun & Creole are often mistaken/confused and applied inaccurately.

Cajun; "a member of any of the largely self-contained communities in the bayou areas of southern Louisiana formed by descendants of French Canadians, speaking an archaic form of French."

Creole;"a person of mixed European and black descent, especially in the Caribbean."

And then there is the following....this being the same sort of differences/confusion that often exist in emancipated slaves and free people of color.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creole_peoples

Creole refers to a descendant of any European settler, but some people of African descent also consider themselves to be Creole.

Read more: Creoles - History, The first creoles in america, Acculturation and Assimilation

 

[bigscoop]

Creole refers to a descendant of any European settler, but some people of African descent also consider themselves to be Creole.

Read more: Creoles - History, The first creoles in america, Acculturation and Assimilation

Yep, this is sort of the existing conundrum when one attempts to get a full grasp of these various terms and their "intended" use because it is all so subjective to individual interpretation. This was what I was getting at several post back when I made the comment, or reference, that generally histories only allows us to assume that we know what life was like back in the day on a personal level. In reality we have little clue what it may or may not have been like on a personal level. But regardless what you may wish to call it, Creole, Mulatto, etc., the author has made it pretty darn clear that Thomas J. Beale was a man of color with a dark and swarthy natural skin tone.

 

[ECS]

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[/B]You know, you are an interesting study, someone who believes that the author/authors was/were brilliant enough to incorporate so much family history into an ingeniously crafted publication for parlor entertainment and yet this same source was too stupid to understand the definitions of the very words used in that narration. Quite the conundrum, or even paradox, indeed.

It is known as "literary license" employed by authors of fiction.
In addition to the incorporated family history, the authors "borrowed" from Lewis & Clark, E F Beale, Cabell, and so on, an electic mix.

 

[ECS]

... But regardless what you may wish to call it, Creole, Mulatto, etc., the author has made it pretty darn clear that Thomas J. Beale was a man of color with a dark and swarthy natural skin tone.

Which would rule out Thomas Beale of New Orleans.

 

[bigscoop]

It is known as "literary license" employed by authors of fiction.
In addition to the incorporated family history, the authors "borrowed" from Lewis & Clark, E F Beale, Cabell, and so on, an electic mix.

.....Good lord.

"literary license" also known as "artistic license"; "used to denote the distortion of fact, alteration of the conventions of grammar or language, or rewording of pre-existing text...." Now where do you get fiction in all of this?

So far you have created your own definitions for, fiction, literary license, complexion, and a few more I'm sure I'm forgetting. But hey, whatever works for you. How's the hand?

Fiction; "literature in the form of prose, especially short stories and novels, that describes imaginary events and people."

 

[bigscoop]

Which would rule out Thomas Beale of New Orleans.

Glad to see that you finally accept the obvious that Thomas Beale was a man of color.

 

[ECS]

Good lord...

I see you have finally realized that you had already played that swarthy skin card on you now failed and discarded Lafitte/Beale theory. Remember the Beale was swarthy so it must be" Lafitte who had business in Richmond" that you mentioned several times?

 

[ECS]

Glad to see that you finally accept the obvious that Thomas Beale was a man of color.

Its not me who jumps to theory conclusions when I read the words "swarthy", "connexion", and "Richmond"

 

[ECS]

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Fiction; "literature in the form of prose, especially short stories and novels, that describes imaginary events and people."

Are you now claiming that the statements in the 1885 Beale Papers are "AUTHENTIC" as stated on the copyright and pamphlet cover by James Beverly Ward?
That would make your current promoted theory FICTION.

 

[bigscoop]

I see you have finally realized that you had already played that swarthy skin card on you now failed and discarded Lafitte/Beale theory. Remember the Beale was swarthy so it must be" Lafitte who had business in Richmond" that you mentioned several times?

I have no idea how you are creating all of this? None whatsoever?

 

[bigscoop]

Its not me who jumps to theory conclusions when I read the words "swarthy", "connexion", and "Richmond"

I noticed you conveniently left out "complexion". Waiting until you have rewritten that definition again so you can give it another go?