indian artifacts

[hmmm]

I posted the man on the moon glass artifact,
i went back and talked to the elder who lives on the site . she said it is indian, we then found a odd lead tool and a very odd thing, any idea what it is.

 

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[Bigcypresshunter]

Dont get me wrong Relicdude. I can clearly see the corrosion you have circled that resembles a quarter man in the moon face but IT IS JUST DIRT AND CORROSION! It is also only a picture. Hmmm needs to clean it and repost and blow it up. But I seriously doubt there will be a moon.

Did you ask hmmm if it could be a moon before you claimed it to be Aztec?

 

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[BuckleBoy]

Thank you for the photos and link, relicdude.


This is what I mean by "stamped" (the link is below). The items in the Viking photo are hammered or beaten into thin shapes. The rings around the moon amulets do not bear such tell-tale marks.


http://www.industrial101.com/services/metal-stamping.aspx


Best Wishes,



Buckleboy

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

I think what Buckles is saying is that the copper/brass moon ring is machine stamped, so cannot possibly be Incan.

As far as the moon image in the silver, why dont you ask hmmm what he thinks. He has the object in hand. Ive been studying the pic and cant say with 100 percent certainty but I think you are looking at corrosion and/or shadows in the picture. I cant imagine a moon in a bunch of plant leaves.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

"What we've got here is...failure to communicate."

 

[BuckleBoy]

Your welcome ,now spend all night looking over it.....

I am!



Do we agree about the machine stamping?




I would still like to know if these pieces are one standard size or not. Hmmmmm? You there?

 

[hmmm]

Thank you for the photos and link, relicdude.


This is what I mean by "stamped" (the link is below). The items in the Viking photo are hammered or beaten into thin shapes. The rings around the moon amulets do not bear such tell-tale marks.


http://www.industrial101.com/services/metal-stamping.aspx


Best Wishes,



Buckleboy

i would say the copper ring is not stamped, i would say it was like the quartz, it was pored into a mold, first the copper then the glass , i think glass is just melted quartz, correct me if i am wrong.

 

[RELICDUDE07]

Well if the guys think its not indian i guess there is only 1 other thing....A Gorgon . It is suggestive that the Gorgon, a symbol and protector of the treasure ...Goodluck im all done with this one.....

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Well if the guys think its not indian i guess there is only 1 other thing....A Gorgon . It is suggestive that the Gorgon, a symbol and protector of the treasure ...Goodluck im all done with this one.....

Now I can add Ancient Greek to the list.

If we ever get any Aztec or Incan items here, relicdude, you would be a good researcher because you have the time and patience to search through the pictures. But Ill give you a little tip. I have seen less than a handfull of Aztec or Incan items posted here at TN in 5 years that are not shipwreck found.

You would do much better to ID the era or maker by the construction and material used and search in that direction. Your method of searching for moonlike faces in ancient relics, similar in appearance only, will not solve this one, sorry. You need to change your search method or throw in the towel.

 

[hmmm]

it would be easy to make these faces.
step1 you need to have a mold and some quartz, in this case we will use a peice of pyrite, we make a hole and put clay in it, then we stamp the face in the clay.
step 2 we pour the melted quatrz into the mold.
step 3 we flip it over and push out the moon face.
step 4 then we put it into a stamped copper mold.
step 5 a victorian copper artifact from 1850.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Have you tried to get a spark from the "Pyrite"? Try striking it against a metal file maybe?

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

I believe this is stamped but I thought the Incas used molds to make jewelry or was that only after Spanish contact?

By the way, ruby red glass would be made by adding gold somehow to the molten sand and silica mix.


ADDED: Gold Chloride

 

[hmmm]

maybe the gold hairs are gold. i dont realy need to strike the pyrite to know if it will spark.
this might help, we found a odd peice of glass. it looks like copper sheets are melted in. there is also a small red spot in the glass that is identical color to the moon face. and the same flow lines that can bee seen on the back of the red moon face.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

maybe the gold hairs are gold. i dont realy need to strike the pyrite to know if it will spark.

I didnt mean that the hairs could be gold! All I meant is that gold is used in the coloring process of Ruby Red glass.

Why do you not really need to test the unknown rock/metal to see if it sparks? What other tests have you applied? You seem to be already convinced that it is a pyrite firestarter, that you titled your Indian Artifact thread as such, when it is only speculation at this time. This is misleading from the get go. If Im wrong tell me.


I dont know anything about glassmaking other than the elements that are added to change colors. Such as Cobalt for Blue and Gold for Red, Manganese for Clear later turning purple, etc. Clear glass is not that old. http://chemistry.about.com/cs/inorganic/a/aa032503a.htm

 

[hmmm]

maybe the gold hairs are gold. i dont realy need to strike the pyrite to know if it will spark.

I didnt mean that the hairs could be gold! All I meant is that gold is used in the coloring process of Ruby Red glass.

Why do you not really need to test the unknown rock/metal to see if it sparks? What other tests have you applied? You seem to be already convinced that it is a pyrite firestarter, that you titled your Indian Artifact thread as such, when it is only speculation at this time. This is misleading from the get go. If Im wrong tell me.


I dont know anything about glassmaking other than the elements that are added to change colors. Such as Cobalt for Blue and Gold for Red, Manganese for Clear later turning purple, etc. Clear glass is not that old. http://chemistry.about.com/cs/inorganic/a/aa032503a.htm

gold hairs, i was jokeing. i have been a registered active free minner for well over 20 years. i know my rocks very well.
i am thinken the fire starter was used two fold, to start the initial fire and to use as the mold.
its only a theorie, any imput into the glass would help.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

I dont think clear glass (that doesnt turn purple) is that old.

Does the clear glass signal from a metal detector? You mentioned it looks like copper melted in it.

 

[hmmm]

i was just going to try the detector, but the copper color is very thin, you can see it in the glass chip. the copper color is on the surface but so is the green color. the second picture shows the red dot better, it looks like a glob in the glass. very cool .
i should add , the glass could have come from last mounth, the family has been burning garbage since 1920. but it could also be from the same time as the red face. the glass does seem to be dirty, in the sence it has impurities. it has 5 red dots to.

 

[hmmm]

I definitely see a clam inside in that last picture.

It is obviously amber, and that clam lived in trees!

good one.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

I dont know why I got the idea it was clear glass. I thought it was bad lighting. If its Amber glass, research the timeframe it was popular. I think after CW. http://www.glassonline.com/infoserv/dictionary/65.html

 

[hmmm]

The green seems to be surface , mostly around the copper coller. the other 3 dots look like drips. they are on the clear end of the glass peice. very cool.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

i have been a registered active free minner for well over 20 years. i know my rocks very well.
i am thinken the fire starter was used two fold, to start the initial fire and to use as the mold.
its only a theorie, any imput into the glass would help.

Oh yea, well I have been a registered active member of TN for over 5 years and I know my utensils! :P After careful analysis of the evidence hitherto presented, I have concluded that it is a combination firestarter, moonface mold and Indian clam crusher. It may also have been utilized for its bark scraping capabilities. (to scrape the clams off the bark)


Most respectfully yours,
Bigcypresshunter.