indian artifacts

[hmmm]

I posted the man on the moon glass artifact,
i went back and talked to the elder who lives on the site . she said it is indian, we then found a odd lead tool and a very odd thing, any idea what it is.

 

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[Bigcypresshunter]

Hmmm are the fibers embedded into the object? ...or just stuck to it?

It does look like man made fibers such as in a carpet.

Any forensic experts?

 

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[hmmm]

interisting, i had come to the conclusion that the copper braclet was the same as ones taken by the spanish in south america, they took it from a burial chamber. the one i found was placed in some bolders along with a stern light from a old sailing ship.. it was amoungst the junk from a logging camp from the 1960's.
the question is , is the aztec one made of copper, if it is, redicilou presents a strong case, thank you.

 

[IronSpike]

This thread is very hard to follow. How come all the found objects somehow are linked? The bracelet looks old and is a cool find

I just don't see how the moon/sun figure is tied with the metal lead piece (hole in middle)? If I didn't know that the holed piece was dug from 2 feet dept I would say the hair looks like moss.

IMO the ear spool posted by relicdude07 doesn't resemble the metal pieces found with the moon/sun figures.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Its Tonatiuh the 5th sun .....Aztec red carnelian 1300 to 1500 .a.d. ,and is called napkinring- ear spool....So i was right the first time -ear spool

And the piece of silver is also aztec with this ---sun and moon symbols....Maybe im all wrong we will see what the other guys say I wish some of my finds were this easy.I guess you can see now what the yellow fibers are in the first pic.=from the head dress

What silver? Did you find something silver? IMO we are getting wild speculation again. The face would make a very pretty ear spool but I doubt thats what it is. I really hope Im wrong. I think you need to somehow ID the red material but you need to look with an unbiased mind.


As far as the yellow fibres from an Aztec headress, there couldnt be a better example of wild speculation. I think this is really stretching it. Have you tried to see if the Pyrite looking object will create a spark?


Ironspike mentioned moss. Do the fibres looked embedded in the object or stuck to it? I would water it and see if its alive and growing or chlorox part of it to see if it dies.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

I will have to go back and read your infamous Bentwood Box thread. I somehow missed it. Maybe this will help me understand. http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,107185.0.html


Interesting location and finds but this is a bit confusing. So far the names mentioned in association with this are the British, Spanish, Chinese, Vikings, Native Indians, Canadians, Romans, Egyptians, Incas, and Aztecs. Did I miss anyone?

 

[Smithbrown]

You missed the Templars, BigC, I am sure they are in there, somewhere....

Smithbrown

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

I see the silver piece now reply #77. . I thought that was pottery. I agree that the dirt should be cleaned off so we could see it better..

 

[hmmm]

You missed the Templars, BigC, I am sure they are in there, somewhere....

Smithbrown

you would need to find the skull and crossbones for it to be templar. for now to stop argument's , lets say the stuff is not older then 1846 and is victorian. If its atzec, i broke the law just by picking it up from the muck..
as for the peice of silver , it is not connected or relivent to the stuff in this post.
LETS NOT MUDDY THE WATERS.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

I hope the Indian artifacts people can help. So far, the only idea was bark scraper.

If it doesnt spark, I guess its not Pyrite.

If no spark, my guess at this time would be its either construction lead material melted around a pipe to fill a void, with fiberglass or asbestos fibres, or a crude native Indian hammer with moss growing on it. What other rocks would set off a detector besides Pyrite?

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Plehbah, in your opinion, is it an American Indian artifact? (The thing with the hole).

 

[Tnmountains]

Plehbah, in your opinion, is it an American Indian artifact? (The thing with the hole).

He may be looking it up in his Oversteets. It is not an Indian Artifact. It has not any wear use on it. It is modern compared to Indian artifacts. The rough texture gives no indication of use or wear at all. If it was a trade era item it can never be documented as the site is contaminated and possibly destroyed. I do not even see how it could be labeled fire starter. Its mis guided everyone from the beginning.
TnMtns.

 

[BuckleBoy]

]IMO the ear spool posted by relicdude07 doesn't resemble the metal pieces found with the moon/sun figures.

I agree. The ear spool is Cast and the metal piece from the sun/moon figures is Stamped.

 

[BuckleBoy]

It sure does in the books

I just looked at as many ear spools as I could find online, and I will again disagree. The ear spool posted from the books is either Cast or Pounded out to shape the metal, as are all the ones I could find online. (Are the ear spools copper? I didn't know that Native Americans even used brass, but that's what the piece at the top appears to be made of. )

The piece posted at the top of this thread is Stamped, not cast or hammered.


Aside from the similar shape of the ear spool and the whatzit, there is little resemblance. The production methods are different--which is perhaps not a deciding factor in the last 200 years, but certainly a deciding factor before that time.


The following objects also have the same shape as the piece posted up top. Maybe one of them is it.

 

[BuckleBoy]

I like the donut ...... Im not to worried about the old pyrite rock ,i have been focused on that damn sun and moon

I Was talking about the sun and moon.


Can you show me a photo of any recognized artifact that is a piece of brass or copper made by indigenous cultures in the new world which was made using a stamping process? 


hmmmm, I have a question for you.  Are the two brass rings identical in size and shape?  Native cultures could not have made a standard size for these things.  Likely they would have been fitted to their respective carved stones, and each piece would be different. Could I see side-by side photos of the brass rims, as well as side by side photos of just the medallion and the pieces of the other medallion by themselves?


Regards,



Buckles

 

[RELICDUDE07]

 

[RELICDUDE07]

I think im going to hit some tot lots in the morning

 

[BuckleBoy]

What style would you call that on the silver piece found by hmmm?

I'm not talking about the silver piece. I'm talking about the rings around the moon faces. If we're trying to find one ID for three items here, it isn't going to happen. The piece that you say is silver, I thought was pottery. I agree that it looks old.


Do you have a photo of a Stamped brass artifact to post?

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

I thought it was pottery too lol. Maybe hmmm will clean of the dirt and repost it so we can take a look.

Truthfully, when if cleans it up, I doubt it will reveal any moon faces.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Like I said after it gets cleaned up, I doubt there will be a sun and moon on the silver piece.. The "moon" you circled is too small to tell. Its like seeing images in the clouds if you know what I mean. It looks like some kind of leaves but with the dirt is hard to tell. There is no moon, only in your imagination. Its like you have decided what you want it to be and are trying to find evidence to support it. You want it to be Viking, Incan or Aztec; something exciting. But sorry, the evidence is not there.

 

[BuckleBoy]

I wrote pottery on it ,you can read his post he says its silver and you can see the crust / tarnish on it....Sometimes to solve the clues of a site ,you pic a artifact from the area and say who were these people in this area..I say we start with the silver piece first with the sun and moon and then go to , well now we have another piece with a sun symbol.Forget the rest of it and just do one artifact at a time .....I picked the silver piece to start.... Im not worried about your questions buckleboy this is humms thread

Well, you should still be interested in helping. I've never seen a cast brass artifact, so I wanted to ask if you'd post a photo of one.


That should be a big determining factor in getting this one solved.


It was a rational question to ask, my friend.


Sorry for the confusion over which piece I was talking about.



Regards,



Buckleboy