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How would you experts retrieve this treasure!

JRShadow - (1) I'm with you on the dream. Been there, done that. Once. Checked out in every detail. I've read that true precognitive dreams are the ones that are embedded in your memory. Most dreams you forget as soon as you become conscious. These dreams stay with you forever.

(2) Based on one experience of a banker I knew, approaching the owners with an offer to share (split) didn't work out. The owners took two years and found the cache. If you're a young person and have time to wait, an opportunity to rent or lease this property may come up. Best of luck to you. Jon
 

djshadow said:
diggummup said:
Is this a type of place that is open to the public? How can you be SURE the item/s of interest is/are there? How valuable is "valuable"?
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i know for a fact the treasure is inside the walls of the building but i don't know which wall. how i know you wouldnt believe, lets just say i had a detailed dream about a place i never knew existed and every single detail about the dream has checked out including the details about who use to live there and would have had this kind of treasure. this place is not a popular place, it has not been on national tv or the radio or newspapers or magazines (maybe local media i do not know i have never been to this area of the country) yet is an uncommon tourist attraction appearently. i have done research on the property and it is run by a preservation society so it might be owned by the state i do not know. this treasure would be worth around 10-30 million dollars.
i know for nearly everyone such a "dream" wouldnt be enough to go off of for something so risky so lets just say i have absolutely no doubt and would bet my legs on it. if i do not decide to retrieve this treasure i will eventually just tell everyone who will listen the location of the treasure and what it is so atleast somone can benifit from what has been sitting lost behind a wall for generations. I DO NOT WANT THE GOVERNMENT TO HAVE THIS and i have no problem stealing from the government if this does "belong" to them.
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You say it is hidden in a wall but you don't know which one.You say the dream was very detailed.You say you have never been there.If you were to visit this place do you think you could figure out which wall it was located behind from the details of your dream? Was the dream that detailed?As to wallcovering and decor etc.? Specific details which would narrow down your search would be of great help in such an instance as this.If your really wanting to pursue this dream then you should start by first visiting this place and having an actual hands on look at the property and interior.That would be my first step.If after that,I was still or even more convinced that it is true and real ,as per the details being verified in person,then I would play it by ear and evaluate the situation as i'm visiting by getting a feel for the place and those who run it.This obviously couldn't be done in one visit so it would require multiple visits.So moving nearby wouldn't be out of the question and in most cases would be deemed necessary.This is 10-30 million were talking about.Try a variety of ways to get privileged access,be it a groundskeeper,security gaurd,maintenance,janitorial or whatever job that can be obtained.Then as soon as you get the chance go for it!This may take a while but this is 10-30 million we're talking about.It has been there since probably WWII, you say no one knows about it.So it isn't going anywhere.Are these Russian jewels? :o BTW-How do you plan to sell off jewels of such value without getting noticed or without getting 10 cents on the dollar value? Of course 1-3 million would't be bad either.In all reality I would contact a lawyer in that state and find out the best way to go about it,if it can be done legally then an attorney could tell you.Of course you'd have to be nonchalant and un-specific with details to a lawyer(cause we all know they're thieves).Just bring it to him the way you brought it to us.Have him write up a legal contract and offer to split it with the property owners.But before all of that, first find out who owns the property,you're probably already out of luck,legally if it's not privately owned. If it can't be done legally,then your out of luck and do with it what you will ,the balls in your court.I'm sure no one on hear would condone nor have a hand in conducing an act of thievery so you'd be on your own there. ;) Good luck- your gonna need it!
 

Being a scientist by training, I need proof to believe something like the dream you had being a reality or some type of precognitive experience - I'm not denying that it couldn't be true, but when you state that you know "for a fact" that this treasure is there, but your proof is a dream and the fact that other things from your dream are real isn't enough for me and I'd be willing to bet that it isn't enough for 99.9999%+ of the public.

That said, if you feel very strongly about this, I think you need to take your time and do as much backup research as you possibly can about the place, previous owners etc... - who knows, your dream may indicate that someone else found the treasure long ago.

You have to do as one other person suggested and put yourself in the owner's shoes and realize that you need to have far more real evidence to pursue damaging what it sounds like is a historical site of some kind. The fact of the matter is, you think there's something in the walls of a building you have no ownership over - you either have to work something out with the current owners legally, or anything you would do to locate and take it would be theft in no uncertain terms and you will go to jail. Do you believe in it enough that you would sign a contract with them to pay for the repairs if you damaged anything in trying to locate the jewels you believe are there? Would the owners even consent to something like that? You have alot of questions to answer before you leap into this imho.

To those few folks here who have made suggestions about getting a job there or forming a contract with someone other than the owner and going in and simply taking what you can when you have the opportunity I have one things to say:

YOU AND YOUR ACTIONS AND LACK OF ETHICS are the reason so many of us who enjoy treasure hunting and metal detecting are denied access to so many places that hold valuable items yet to be discovered which will remain hidden forever and that's a real shame.
 

That's funny! Only an idiot would do some of the things being suggested here anyway.Relax oh scientific one,i'm sure a few of these responses we're done tongue in cheek anyway.
 

diggummup said:
That's funny! Only an idiot would do some of the things being suggested here anyway.Relax oh scientific one,i'm sure a few of these responses we're done tongue in cheek anyway.
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THANK YOU !

you Beat me to it ;)
 

I would go to the place not once but about 5-10 times maybe 15 or 20 times before I said anything to anyone!!!! Make it clear you have a real interest in the place but spend all your time there getting to know the people there and make a good impression on them. I feel you would have a much better chance discussing these types of things later after you've become friends. Build their trust first so they don't think you are whacky!

Ask fifty million questions about the place and the things on disply. You will be doing your due diligence and your research! Don't even think about asking for agreements and such until the people in charge are well acquainted with you and you are an expert on everything about the place and its history!

I know my advise is worth what you paid for it, but noetheless, thats what I'd do. Furthermore, I'm un-qualified to respond because I'm not Expert! LOL

Good Luck, I'm pulling for you!!! Make us all famous!!!! :)
 

thanks for the replies and the ideas for options. i realize everyone has their own philosophy on what is ethical and what is moral. some would find a billion in lost government gold and take it straight to the government. some would find a million in lost gold a field owned by bill gates and take it without even thinking about him. i don't care about the ethics and morality i wanted opinions on possible retrieval methods. all of the methods you have mentioned i have thought about in the months i have been researching. contact the estate and try to broker a deal. contact an employee with piviledged access and try to make a deal to "steal" it from the "owners", become an employee and try to get priveledged access and look secretly and retrieve with minimal invasion if found. go in as a tourist or fake a front as somone official and do a movie like hiest weighing the risks of getting caught versus retrieval of the treasure, Brute force(robbery/burglary). 5 years in the state penn for 10 million dollars might be worth it for a few people. i first wanted to fully understand my options then eliminate those that are too risky or immoral. contacting the owners with minimal information and trying to broker a deal seems to be the only legit option since i can not pinpoint the location of the treasure and retrieve it in only a few minutes.

i just want to thank you all for your input. if i decide not to attempt to retrieve the treasure or if i fail i will probably let you know the location with as much information as i can.
 

Go to the kellyco web site, they are now selling a device that can look inside walls without having to breake them...Good luck...It is made in Germany and it was used in a episode of Columbo to dicover a skeleton hidden under a floor...
 

It is called OKM locating technology limited....
Kellyco metal detectors....
Buy the equipment in partnership with the owners of the property...
 

fleamistress,

Don't go getting your tarot cards in a bunch. I was just trying to be encouraging. ;D

Make it Mr. 3 posts! :)
 

fleamistress said:
Cubfan64 said:
Being a scientist by training, I need proof to believe something like the dream you had being a reality or some type of precognitive experience - I'm not denying that it couldn't be true, but when you state that you know "for a fact" that this treasure is there, but your proof is a dream and the fact that other things from your dream are real isn't enough for me and I'd be willing to bet that it isn't enough for 99.9999%+ of the public.

That said, if you feel very strongly about this, I think you need to take your time and do as much backup research as you possibly can about the place, previous owners etc... - who knows, your dream may indicate that someone else found the treasure long ago.

You have to do as one other person suggested and put yourself in the owner's shoes and realize that you need to have far more real evidence to pursue damaging what it sounds like is a historical site of some kind. The fact of the matter is, you think there's something in the walls of a building you have no ownership over - you either have to work something out with the current owners legally, or anything you would do to locate and take it would be theft in no uncertain terms and you will go to jail. Do you believe in it enough that you would sign a contract with them to pay for the repairs if you damaged anything in trying to locate the jewels you believe are there? Would the owners even consent to something like that? You have alot of questions to answer before you leap into this imho.

To those few folks here who have made suggestions about getting a job there or forming a contract with someone other than the owner and going in and simply taking what you can when you have the opportunity I have one things to say:

YOU AND YOUR ACTIONS AND LACK OF ETHICS are the reason so many of us who enjoy treasure hunting and metal detecting are denied access to so many places that hold valuable items yet to be discovered which will remain hidden forever and that's a real shame.
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The Holy One has spoken, redundantly.

Cyn
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I'm not out to make enemies here as I find this to be an extremely valuable forum for the hobby I enjoy and I've already learned a great deal in the short time I've been here. All I know is that I've been denied access to metal detect locations in the past based on the owner "hearing of someone, who knew someone, who read in the paper, etc... about someone sneaking on another person's property to dig up some "treasure" they knew was there." There are already a great multitude of places we aren't allowed to search - I'd hate to think anyone would encourage someone to go to those lengths and cause us to lose even more access.

I apologize if I offended anyone who wasn't seriously encouraging going to any lengths to find this supposed treasure.

I don't want this thread to continue as any kind of debate over what's right and wrong, so I won't post on this thread again. If you have anything you want to discuss with me, go ahead and send me a PM and we can continue outside of the public forum.

One last thing - for those of you unaware of the existence of it, there actually is a Treasure Hunter's Code of Ethics which many clubs, treasure magazines, etc... stand behind and follow. Search for it online if you're interested.

djshadow - good luck, and I hope you discover a way to prove that a treasure of jewels exists where you think it does. Perhaps you can convince the owners of the historical significance to finding them, team up, locate them to be put on display somewhere and you can write a book about the whole experience and get rich that way.
 

Cubfan64, Your post was Understood.

NO hard Feelings here,
In Fact What you said, Needed to be said.

Just In case dj or someone else took ALL the posts seariously.

I Hope You Havn't been Scared off TreasureNet,
as You are VERY Welcome here.

JEFF

P.S.
The original subject Will Resume NOW, And Any
OFF subject posts Will Be Removed, From My post On. 8)

Good Luck dj, I hope you Get some Usable Info Here.
 

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I'm not out to make enemies here as I find this to be an extremely valuable forum for the hobby I enjoy and I've already learned a great deal in the short time I've been here. All I know is that I've been denied access to metal detect locations in the past based on the owner "hearing of someone, who knew someone, who read in the paper, etc... about someone sneaking on another person's property to dig up some "treasure" they knew was there." There are already a great multitude of places we aren't allowed to search - I'd hate to think anyone would encourage someone to go to those lengths and cause us to lose even more access.

I apologize if I offended anyone who wasn't seriously encouraging going to any lengths to find this supposed treasure.

I don't want this thread to continue as any kind of debate over what's right and wrong, so I won't post on this thread again. If you have anything you want to discuss with me, go ahead and send me a PM and we can continue outside of the public forum.

One last thing - for those of you unaware of the existence of it, there actually is a Treasure Hunter's Code of Ethics which many clubs, treasure magazines, etc... stand behind and follow. Search for it online if you're interested.

djshadow - good luck, and I hope you discover a way to prove that a treasure of jewels exists where you think it does. Perhaps you can convince the owners of the historical significance to finding them, team up, locate them to be put on display somewhere and you can write a book about the whole experience and get rich that way.
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the historical valuable find and the book idea are great ones. but im can't imagine leading somone to millions of dollars just to be cut out of the find. whats a book deal bring about a lost treasure thats not famous or invlove very famouse people? six figures? it wouldnt suprise me if the owners cut me out just because they knew id get the scraps of a small book deal somewhere in the future. as far as the treasure hunters code of ethics id like to see it if you have a link. what does it say about disturbing the resting places of the dead on sunken boats and tombs? a new tomb with 5 mummies was just found this month but oh thats archeology it's ok to disturb peopel that were burried with the intent of staying burried. nah thats just another type of treasure hunting. if somone can dig up a tomb of dead bodies then i dont have alot of problems witht he idea of infiltrating a location and taking something that the "owner" doesnt even know he has and doesnt benifit him. of course the risks and whaever tiny ethical problems i do have with it might not outweigh the value of what is there and the ammount of certainty i know it is there and could locate it.
anyways. what percent of treasures are found and completely claimed byt he finder when the find actually legally belongs to somone else? when you find a diamond ring on a beach with a metal detector do you search the newspapers and craigslist to see if somone has reported it? do you turn it into the police to see if somone will claim it? what about other finds besides obviously important jewelry like valuable coins? everything belonged to somone who lost it at one point. where is the line drawn? what if the lost treasure you find origionally belong to people who acquired it immorally themselves? many of these issues go way beyond just treasure hunting. still id liek to see the code of conduct.
 

BECAUSE you Requested

Treasure Hunter's Code of Ethics

I will always check federal, state, county and local laws before searching. It is my responsibility to know the law.

I will respect private property and will not enter private property without the owner?s permission. Where possible, such permission will be in writing.

I will take care to refill any holes and try not to leave any damage.

I will remove and dispose of any and all trash and litter that I find.

I will appreciate and protect our inheritance of natural resources, wildlife, and private property.

I will, as an ambassador for the hobby, use thoughtfulness, consideration and courtesy at all times.

I will work to help bring unity to our hobby by working with any organization of any geographic area that may have problems that will limit their ability to peacefully pursue the hobby.

I will leave gates as found.

I will build fires in designated or safe places only.

I will report to the proper authorities any individuals who enter and/or remove artifacts from federal parks or state preserves.


AND DETAILS HERE


http://www.losttreasure.com/ethics/


I Do Have a Problem with this one Personally Tho.

I will report to the proper authorities any individuals who enter and/or remove artifacts from federal parks or state preserves.

I have never Been, nor have I any urge to be a "Snitch"

But to Each his own, I guess.
 

I wonder what the authorities would say if you called them to say
that a group from the university is in the park, digging up artifacts. ;D
 

Make a proposal.

Many 'societies' are struggling financially.

Why not offer to purchase the exclusive right to search all lands and properties owned by the society for a fixed fee. No need to discuss this specific building per se. Get good legal advise to tighten the deal up and make it ironclad that all finds will be shown to the society, and a reasonable - you define reasonable - split made on any valuable old coins or other items of gold. silver, platinum, or other valuable metal. Reserve the right to retain any non-metallic items such as old newpapers, magazines, or paper currency for disposal at your exclusive discretion.

Now when they complain about the 'found currency' and want the same split, negotiate, etc but give in finally and let them have the split on found currency. Notice that you still have rights to all the other non-metallic items and the exclusive discretion regarding disposal. Better yet, don't mention currency and hopefully a bright bulb in the society will think of it, and want to add it to the split items.

Depending on the financial situation, the society might find this attractive. (probably depends on the search fee you are agreeing to pay.)

Make sure you have a good attorney draw up the papers and make sure you get the right signatures from the society....

This open approach and free negotiation (make sure you always have your metal detector with you) might actually work.. May cost a grand or two in contract fees and attorney's time, but you end up with the key elements you're looking for. Freedom to search, and ownership of non-metallic valuables other than currency.
 

WOW billKY !

Excellent Suggestion.

You Must have Lawyer in Your Blood ;)

J.K.

But It seems like A workable Idea, without actually lying.
 

jeff of pa said:
WOW billKY !

Excellent Suggestion.

You Must have Lawyer in Your Blood ;)

J.K.

But It seems like A workable Idea, without actually lying.
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It must be the big glasses. :D
 

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