How would you experts retrieve this treasure!

[djshadow]

I didn't know where to post this so im posting it here. I need some opinions on how to go about retreiving a valuable item or items that are on private property. I have reason to believe that a long lost treasure is on private property and the owner or owners of the property has no idea the treasure is there. this treasure would have been "lost" around 50 years ago.
let me give you my analogy of what im talking about. Assume something very valuable was hidden on private property 50 years ago and that property is now a museum or being preserved as a historical landmark. The current owners or organization responsible for the property has no idea the treasure ever existed or is on the property. The treasure is not outside on the property grounds but in the interior of a building or buildings on the property. how the hell could one go about benifitting from the knowledge that this treasure exists and its location. do you contact the owners and convince them you know of something valuable on their property and get an agreement to split it? or would this be too much information allowing the owners to look on their own eventually finding it cutting you out? do you attempt to access the private property as other tourists do and pull off some incredible "heist" to access the treasure? do you go to a media source hoping the publicity that you actually are the one who knows the location of the treasure allowing you to gain public support the the property owners share it with you after they find it.
this question has been running through my mind for some time now. secretly gaining access to a treasure that's on public or private property, if that property be large and outdoors, seems not to be a problem and what most treasure hunters do all the time. but actually retreiving a treasure that's been lost for generations and is inside an occupied, owned building seems probably illegal and more like a robbery.
by the way what is the law for finding something valuable on somone elses property that they had no idea existed? is it theirs anyways?

also the property i'm talking about is probably not owned by a single owner or family but by a preservation society so maybe in some sort of trust i'm not sure.

any opinions at all about what you would do in this situation would be very helpful. i know some of you have some ideas about how to go about benifiting if in this situation

thanks alot!

 

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[Kentucky Kache]

Whoa, talk about a bitter sweet situation.
1st, if you go to the media, neither you nor the land owner will get a cent (Gov).
2nd, are you sure the place is not state owned? If so, it's automatically government property.
3rd, I would only tell the owners about it as a last resort. If you have reason to think they will find it, take a chance and try and strike a deal.
4th, and most important, without permission to hunt, taking the treasure would be stealing.
What would I do? Heck if I know.

BTW. How do you know for sure that the treasure is there?

 

[diggummup]

Is this a type of place that is open to the public? How can you be SURE the item/s of interest is/are there? How valuable is "valuable"?

 

[jeff of pa]

WELL First off, I'd Get a Good Strong Flashlight.

A Complete Black Outfit.

Some Shoes that Don't Squeek.

a 45mm Hand Gun.

Crowbar.

And Go for it.
































Just Kidding HAPPY EARLY APRIL FOOLS !

Don't even Think about Trying to do anything Without Permission
Here.
IT AIN'T WORTH THE TROUBLE,
No Matter How much it's worth.

NATONAL TREASURE
Was Just a Movie.






















WHAT I REALLY WOULD DO. in this order.

#1. contact the Property Owner(s)

#2. Tell them Just enough to Wet their appetite.

#3. ask IF they are Aware If anything of this nature has been found
on the property to their Knowledge.

#4. A. They say Yes.
Ask them to Explain so you can tell, IF it is what I
am Looking for.

B. IF They say No.
Ask IF They would be willing to Share the Find,
Or at least the Privledge of Being there when it is Uncovered.

#5. They agree to Split :
Have Papers Drawn up. & Signed at a
Registerer, for Complete Legality.
and tell them NO Advance details.
they must Follow me.

They Don't agree on Split but on Privledge of Being there.
I'd Agree, But Tell them, NO Advance details.
they must Follow me.

From there, it all depends on what happens.

 

[Monk]

So its like holding a good hand in poker! Your being called! Are you going to call or fold?
Your research must first lead you to beleave there is a very good chance there is something still there?
If private, Is it possible to Rent? If not your best bet would be to buy the property. If Goverment property, your out of luck!
However what's to be found must have great enough value to pay you to go for the pot.
Is there public access? Get into area of interest and check it out in your own way. Then put your mind to work. If there's a way it's up to you to find it.

 

[Aufinder01]

HI, Just my 2 cents.

First if its on a historical site, there is nothing anyone could legaly do to recover this. Second, NightHawking on this site would be bad if caught. Third if theres something there would it look good in their museum? Cause thats were it'll end up. Is it Local,State, or Fed ? goes from being in the county slam into a Fed prison for up to 20 years.

Privately owned lands I'd put forward a letter informing the owner of the existance but not the location, ask for a 20% finders fee, and get it in writting, like a contract, to search and recover. Yes I've done this, it works. I've years ago, Nighthawked too, on places that I wasn't supposed to be. But permission is easier than forgivness.

Aufinder01

 

[grizzly bare]

I must be sneakier than others (no apology for my larcenous side). I would approach the owner(s) whether private or corporation and ask for permission to dig./detect on the property. At this preliminary stage there is no reason to give out any specific information. Work out a reasonable division and proceed from there. I like the crowbar idea, but I have a huge fear of jail. (I AM too pretty to go to jail!) DO IT LEGALLY OR NOT AT ALL.

Uh, Jeff, a 45mm would fire a projectile about 2.25 inches in diameter.. Do you mean 45 caliber? (Just kidding, man)

grizzly bare

 

[jeff of pa]

Uh, Jeff, a 45mm would fire a projectile about 2.25 inched in diameter.. Do you mean 45 caliber? (Just kidding, man)

grizzly bare

lol,

shows how much I know about guns

 

[djshadow]

Is this a type of place that is open to the public? How can you be SURE the item/s of interest is/are there? How valuable is "valuable"?

i know for a fact the treasure is inside the walls of the building but i don't know which wall. how i know you wouldnt believe, lets just say i had a detailed dream about a place i never knew existed and every single detail about the dream has checked out including the details about who use to live there and would have had this kind of treasure. this place is not a popular place, it has not been on national tv or the radio or newspapers or magazines (maybe local media i do not know i have never been to this area of the country) yet is an uncommon tourist attraction appearently. i have done research on the property and it is run by a preservation society so it might be owned by the state i do not know. this treasure would be worth around 10-30 million dollars.
i know for nearly everyone such a "dream" wouldnt be enough to go off of for something so risky so lets just say i have absolutely no doubt and would bet my legs on it. if i do not decide to retrieve this treasure i will eventually just tell everyone who will listen the location of the treasure and what it is so atleast somone can benifit from what has been sitting lost behind a wall for generations. I DO NOT WANT THE GOVERNMENT TO HAVE THIS and i have no problem stealing from the government if this does "belong" to them.

 

[warsawdaddy]

Call Geraldo!

 

[jeff of pa]

IF it's in PA Give me a P.M.

I'v read of Treasures Being Recovered Because of Dreams.

However IF the place is a Preserve of some type,
It would Be next to Impossable to recover, without
someone X-Raying the Walls first. Because "Preserve"
Means just that.

 

[grizzly bare]

No skepticism here,

BOROSCOPE. Makes a tiny hole and allows you to see amazingly well. Can even be hooked to a camera or video cam. Just sit next to the wall, bore a hole, insert scope and you're in business.
10 to 30 million is quite a range. Do more research.

god bless and good luck.

grizzly bare

 

[djshadow]

No skepticism here,

BOROSCOPE. Makes a tiny hole and allows you to see amazingly well. Can even be hooked to a camera or video cam. Just sit next to the wall, bore a hole, insert scope and you're in business.
10 to 30 million is quite a range. Do more research.

god bless and good luck.

grizzly bare

i know it's prescious jewels from another country. i have no idea how many or what carat so this leaves a big range. i do not believe this treasure was ever publicized by those who brought it to america so research doesn't help much. i do howver know that the past owners of the property did spend time in the foriegn country.

 

[djshadow]

Is this a type of place that is open to the public? How can you be SURE the item/s of interest is/are there? How valuable is "valuable"?

i know for a fact the treasure is inside the walls of the building but i don't know which wall. how i know you wouldnt believe, lets just say i had a detailed dream about a place i never knew existed and every single detail about the dream has checked out including the details about who use to live there and would have had this kind of treasure. this place is not a popular place, it has not been on national tv or the radio or newspapers or magazines (maybe local media i do not know i have never been to this area of the country) yet is an uncommon tourist attraction appearently. i have done research on the property and it is run by a preservation society so it might be owned by the state i do not know. this treasure would be worth around 10-30 million dollars.
i know for nearly everyone such a "dream" wouldnt be enough to go off of for something so risky so lets just say i have absolutely no doubt and would bet my legs on it. if i do not decide to retrieve this treasure i will eventually just tell everyone who will listen the location of the treasure and what it is so atleast somone can benifit from what has been sitting lost behind a wall for generations. I DO NOT WANT THE GOVERNMENT TO HAVE THIS and i have no problem stealing from the government if this does "belong" to them.

Got nice legs?

When I was around 18--23 I had precognitive and telepathic dreams; then it dried up. I was able to train myself to pick out the wheat from the chaff and verbalize a prediction. Then it dried up. Nothing like this. Even for me it sounds too far Out There...

Cyn

i wouldn't believe it either. i'm the ultimate skeptic. i dont believe in anything that doesnt have some emperical evidence supporting it. however i can not deny what i have had a vision of and how every single part matches up with the facts. and i dont mean how i interpret the facts or the dream. maybe it is nothing maybe it is something im only looking for opinions on how to go about benifiting from the information if it is/was real.

 

[grizzly bare]

cyn, dj,
I have seen boroscopes in action but have never used one myself. As a student at UVA I had no money so I worked construction during the summers to pay for school. (For those of you who think that school would have been paid for by GI Bill, remember Unle Sam shafted the SEA Vets for years)
Boroscope is not the answer to everything. IF you have a good idea where it is, IF you can "snake" unit through the wall, IF you can get sufficient lighting, and (most of all) if those rotten people who hid it didn't wrap it in paper-cloth-box, you can get an idea that something is there.
dj,
man I am still rooting for you!

grizzly bare

 

[djshadow]

DJ--

Tell us the dream!

i could just tell ya where my 10 million bucks are hidden

 

[lou423]

follow the advise of Jeff of PA....

Do not give details...

If the owner says NO....give him your bussines card and tell him to call you if he ever changes his mind....

Or talk to the night guard....LOL

 

[Monty]

Put ourself in the place of the person or persons who run the museum. A guy walks in off the street and tells of a fortune hidden in the museum. You ask how do you know? The guy says, 'cause I dreamed it! Dreamed it" Yes, I dreamed it. And how would you go about recoverng this treasure. Why I'd poke holes in the walls and look for it! You dreamed it and you want to poke holes in the walls to look for it? Yes! Are you a psyche? No, just a dreamer. What other treasures have you found that you dreamed about? None! None? No, none, but I know it's there! Is there anything besides your dream that would corroborated the treasure being there? Yes, I heard the previous owner went abroad. That's it? Yes, you gotta' believe me. And you want half? Yes , half. Haw, haw, haw, a yuk, yuk, yuk, tee hee hee! as he/they call security! That's about how it would go unless you do some extensive research and find some other proof! Monty

 

[alec]

You might resort to the greed factor. Instead of contacting the owner(s) of the property talk to a manager, someone with keys that can get you in after hours. Approach them the way you would an owner and offer a 50/50 split without giving them the location. I would even hint that it is on the grounds somewhere and don't mention the buildings at all. Make it appear as though you are offering the split with the owners and not the manager. Who ever you speak with is going to want some verifiable details so be ready to give them some info about the previous owners, what you think is there and the fact you can prove they spent time over seas.

When you leave (more than likely without a deal) leave your card. Let the info fester with the manager a while and keep an eye on the grounds to see if it looks like anyone is poking around. I would say you have a 50/50 chance of the manager gettting greedy and letting you into the place to do a search and recovery. If that happens have a contract drawn up using the foundations name and yours and let the manager sign it. That would cover you legally and put the blame on the manager. Be prepared to search and recover in one trip because if you don't the manager will probably come back and look without you once he knows where to look. I would also be prepared to immediately rehide the majority of your half of the stash in the event the government gets involved and wants it all. If that happens then just play dumb, blame it on the manger and tell them he/she cheated you out of your 50% and you "just got this one piece".

The boroscope is a great idea. There are several versions out today that the tactical teams, bomb squads and others use. They have lights attached to the front so you can see in the dark without a problem. They are minimally invasive and you could pop the baseboard off the wall, drill your hole and go up from there and then put the baseboard back on when you are done to cover the hole. Let the manager worry about explaining why there is a big hole in the wall once you recover the stash.

I would also suggest having a small audio recorder with you at all times when dealing with the manager and during the recovery, just to cover your 6.

 

[srpnt]

Here are my suggestions (derived from Hollywood movies)
For a preservation society:

First, re-con the site. Have a leisurely chat with the people who work there. It would be good to do some preliminary research on the history behind the site so you have a basis for discussion.

If they are friendly, tell them, in a quiet way, that you are a novelist doing a book on their historical figure. They?d be thrilled to give you the in depth history. You may even be able to wheeze some after hour private time in that person?s personal papers.

If they are unfriendly or you get a creepy feeling, then use an alternative. Go in as a Gov worker / tradesman / etc. It is common practice that Electricians go behind wall. If you make a ?charitable donation? of electrician/plumber help to the museum as a ?tax write off? then when they have a problem, you will have all the time in the world to ?diagnose? it with GPR (No holes). Then, when you find it, you break a hole in the wall ?to fix the fault.? With a big tool box next to you, nobody is the wiser.
-H