Re: has montezuma's tomb been found ...?
HOLA mi amigo Jose',
Real de Tayopa wrote:
There is a point in a gyros speed of rotation where a slightly more unbalanced force will cause it to violently react attempting to establish a new equilibrium, if possible. I haven't the slightest doubt that this has happened various times in the past. How else to explain human manufactured tools being found in solid granite?
Perhaps we are differing only in the degree of destruction involved here. I lean toward the idea of a
relatively fast "flip" due to ice-melt causing weight re-distribution, but even so to call it "fast" is to say over the course of say a 24 hour period or longer - slow enough that the oceans, seas and lakes would not necessarily react any more than to have some flooding and extreme tides etc. The mammoths found with still-green buttercups still in their mouths at the moment they were frozen to death certainly points to a rather "sudden" event, but consider how "sudden" it must have been, that the animals were still calm and grazing, not found in heaps where they had panicked/stampeded and ran over cliffs etc. So I would say rapid, in a
relative term but
not so rapid as to cause the Pacific to wash over the American continents and spill into the Atlantic, for example. Quite a difference in effect, depending on the speed of the event. If so slow as to equate to years, then we should not have found mammoths suddenly frozen to death - if so fast as to cause the oceans to leap out of their beds, we ought to find massive evidence of such destruction, which we do not.
How to explain those archaeological oddities indeed! If you are referring to the very strange objects such as the "sparkplug" that appears to be man-made and must be over 200,000 years old, etc correct? The same list of items we find in Michael Cremo's "Forbidden Archeology" book? These are quite mysterious and difficult to explain away, so most historians dismiss them wholesale as just "anomalies" with no meaning. However there are some possibilities, ranging from the far-fetched to the realms of science fiction; such as these could be evidence of human time-travelers, perhaps visiting the distant past from our future; as tantalizing as this theory is, we have no proof that time-travel is possible, with some scientists insisting that it is impossible, others claiming it is possible at least in theory. These anomalous objects could be the evidence of ancient alien visitors to Earth too, a few items lost by alien "Columbus"-es exploring our little world etc. There is no apparent reason to think these objects are not of earthly origins however, as far as I know. One possible explanation, as pedestrian as it may be, is that they are nothing but "geofacts" - objects that despite the obvious appearance of being man-made, are in fact rare and odd
natural objects. (We see some objects posted right here in T-net from time to time that appear to be man-made, but are just strange "geofacts", usually in the Amerindian sections.) For anyone interested in 'forbidden archaeology' Michael Cremo has a web site:
http://www.mcremo.com/
I should add here that as much as I like Michael and find his work VERY interesting, he has been attacked by academics for his work and is dismissed by some as a "fringe" amateur. Of course I would have to admit that I have also been called that and
worse too.
Real de Tayopa also wrote:
Since you are a biblical scholar, have you noticed that it mentions that the world was destroyed by GOD and rebuilt to our present period?
Thank you for the kind words amigo, but I would amend that to biblical 'student' - I have no sheepskins to prove scholarship. Yes I noted that and for years had problems with such things as the flood of Noah etc until I found that the ancient Hebrew word for "god" is the same word as for "nature" - then re-examined such things as the plagues of Egypt, parting of the Red Sea etc and this fits very well. The apocryphal books not included in the canonical bible in common use here in the west have information that would actually be helpful for many folks, such as the flood really meant a flood over a "fourth part of the Earth" which fits with the amount of dry lands lost to sea levels rising at the end of the last Ice Age, for one example. (It is confirmed within Genesis where it explains how much the seas rose, "fifteen cubits" (Genesis 7:20). Clearly some 22.5 feet of sea-level rise would not cover Mount Everest but would wipe out most coastal human settlements.)
Real de Tayopa also wrote:
Also, how can the Bible explain the Sun rising in the West changing to rising in the East as it presently does?.
While I do not know of any passage which describes this event specifically, there is the incident mentioned earlier, when the Sun appeared to "go backward" as measured by a Sun-dial during a violent battle. The most logical type of astronomical event that could hope to explain such an eyewitness description would be that the Earth's rotation changed slightly, resulting in the Sun "appearing" to move "backward" when the fact would be that the world moved 'backward' not the Sun. The Egyptian report found in Herodotus I believe is describing something that occurred at the end of the last Ice Age, and when compared with the report in Plato (telling what Solon had heard) the Earth has been repeatedly subjected to violent "destructions" at times by "fire" and others by floods. If we remember that many so-called "myths" are in truth allegorized reports of actual events, they begin to make sense. For one example, taken from Plato:
The former is symbolized in the Hellenic tale of young Phaethon
who drove his father's horses the wrong way, and having burnt up the earth
was himself burnt up by a thunderbolt. For there occurs at long intervals
a derangement of the heavenly bodies, and then the earth is destroyed by
fire. At such times, and when fire is the agent, those who dwell by rivers
or on the seashore are safer than those who dwell upon high and dry places,
who in their turn are safer when the danger is from water. Now the Nile is
our saviour from fire, and as there is little rain in Egypt, we are not
harmed by water; whereas in other countries, when a deluge comes, the
inhabitants are swept by the rivers into the sea.
(Timaeus by Plato, online at:
http://www.gutenberg.org/dirs/etext98/tmeus11.txt)
This certainly seems to dovetail quite well with Herodotus's report also from Egypt, saying that the Sun-chariot was "driven the wrong way" by the demi-god Phaethon, son of Helios the Sun - making it appear to a witness standing on Earth that the Sun was traveling in the wrong direction. Plato's theory that a mis-alignment of the planets as the root cause
may be the true answer to what caused the Ice Age to end, for that matter.
Real de Tayopa also wrote:
Do you subscribe to the Nemesis theory? It is supposedly due on the 2012 - 20030 period, coincidentally with the end of the Mayan calender.
Well amigo if by "subscribe" you mean do I hold that it is a true event and expect it to happen, then I would have to say no - I don't dismiss it either, on this theory I am very much on the fence as they say. As the evidence stands today, the idea of our Sun having a "twin" dark-star seems to be un-supported, as such a large celestial object dancing in orbit with our Sun should cause very detectable oscillations in our Sun - that is the Sun would react a little to the movements of Nemesis. I would say that the 'jury is out' on this, not proven nor disproven - YET. You probably have also read of the theory of a "Twelfth planet" (Nibiru as Sitchin translates it) with somewhat similar effects on Earth and alien interventions in human history - again interesting stuff, BUT....needs
more research/evidence
.
Real de Tayopa also wrote:
As for our MONTY, he, and his loot, are buried in the underground complex beneath Mexico city.
Hmm, that statement sounds as if you have already have a reliable source to back it up, correct amigo? Just curious of course, I have no plans to start excavating Mexico city!
So what is the scenario here viz Aztlan, Montezuma, his treasure, Clovis people etc? Perhaps I have this theory mis-arranged? Thank you in advance,
Almost forgot - Real de Tayopa also wrote:
" Obviously you haven't met my wife sigh.
Not YET amigo...though I do wonder
why it is that so many folks don't want me to meet their wives and daughters? 
My breath perhaps?
Now back to lurking...
your friend,
Oroblanco
and tend to require solid objects to convince me. I do appreciate the effort to explain things further, but the connections are getting pretty fuzzy to my poor eyes. 
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