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[Tom_in_CA]

Well thought out dialogue guys! Everyone is thinking deep, and I can tell, giving thought to what the other persons are saying. This has helped me understand the "other side" better. Ie.: before I write/speak, I'm fully aware of possible holes in my possible "pat" answers.

Still waiting for an answer on my musing:

1) Pick anything you would consider occult. Chanelling? casting spells? remote viewing? telling the future? Pick anyone of them that even you, the dowser, would consider to have no scientific reality, and to truly be dabbling into the occult.

2) Ok, now that you have this practice in your mind, imagine yourself in a conversation with the practioner of this thing you label as occult.

3) What do you do when that person (whether they actually do or not is a mute point, it is just that they "could"): What do you do when that person denies that they are dabbling into occult? LIke, they say to you some of the very explanations and defenses that are in this thread? They tell you "No, this isn't occult, it's just un-discovered science that someday we'll understand". Or they say "No this isn't occult, it's just a natural phenomenon, like a keen sense of smell, that some rare persons have the innate ability to do - nothing spiritual, supernatural, or occultic about it!"

I'm sure dowswers are sincere and don't think there stuff has anything to do with the supernatural. Unlike the Goth teen trouble-maker who WANTs to play with spooky stuff and knows he is :P This is only to trace the line of logic. I can't see how a true occultist can be denied the same defenses. So be honest. Even if you'd never bother with such a silly discussion, this is just for illistration purposes. If you don't grant them the right to use dowsing buzz-lines, why not?

 

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[Tom_in_CA]

Charlie, to answer your question: The minute you go down that road, you can't doubt any idea, crazy practice, theory, etc... that anyone has. Like "try dowsing with a cell-phone and tin-foil shoes" etc... Afterall, it may just be "un-discovered science". The fact that mistakes were made back in the dark ages (explaining stars, thunder, etc... in primitive ways), has no bearing on today and this topic. I mean, heck, let's abandon every scientific advance we know in the last 100 yrs. right? Gravity may change, wanna test it by jumping off a building? Afterall, people thought the earth was flat, so gravity may change too!

It goes beyond that. I don't think it's merely that people can't explain dowsing (although they have some great strings of $20 words), it's more a matter of having been proven that it CAN'T be done, rather than the other way around (where it's inconclusive).

The only other time I engaged in a discussion on a dowsing forum, was the late 1990s. At that time, a scientist came on that board and studied every word, theory, ("signal lines, auras, conductivity, etc.. etc...) of what the LRL/dowsers were telling him. He was a highly credentialed scientist, and went to great pains to show the fellows that what they were saying wouldn't work beyond a fraction of an inch, even if true. Those pro-dowswers were of the camp that it was totally scientifically explainable. I haven't seen any of that camp here. Although theories are put out with the $20 words, they usually scale back to 1) un-discovered science and 2) natural abilities w/in human range.

 

[aarthrj3811]

This forum is limited to the discussion of simple, inexpensive (or FREE!) devices and techniques. That means NO discussion of electrical devices of any kind.? Feel free to discuss L-rods, Spanish dip needles, map dowsing, and other dowsing related subjects.

Because of past experience with similar forums, I will not have much patience in the forum, so if you veer off topic you just might find your post deleted and your permissions restricted. If you have some constructive information to share about dowsing then great, feel free to post!!? ?If you want to post just to toot your own horn or to sneak in links to your long range locator website, then beware - I am ready to ban you! PERMANENTLY!

Thanks,
Marc Austin
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