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[ClonedSIM]

Quote from: Dell Winders on Yesterday at 01:10:26 PM
Metal detector used to trace the Signal line to a distant target. Dowsing Rods detect the same signal line.
What has already been done, can be done. Dell

A metal detector doesn't trace a signal line to a target. Where'd you come up with that?

What has already been stated incorrectly, will continue to be stated incorrectly. -AF1733

It was correctly and accurately stated as a fact establishing that Signal line fields detected with a Physical Dowser's Rod(s) have been, and therefore can be, metered and traced electronically.

Apparently, you are not aware there can be additional applications of manufactured electronics to physics, other than those described by the manufacturer/ seller.

The photo of a White's metal detector being used for tracing generated Signal line fields to a discriminated target is but one example that copper/brass rods held in the hands of a human, react to the physics of naturally, or electronically generated harmonic Signal lines.

The so called "Signal line" detected by hand held Copper/Brass rods has also been electronically metered by a gauss meter, oscilloscope, and ferrous targets detected with the Rods have been metered by magnetometer. "Signal line" fields detected and traced with the use of copper/brass rod(s) have also been photographed on occasions when atmospheric conditions were favorable.

I have seen No Scientific evidence produced by the Skeptics on this forum to show that these connecting fields the hand held copper/brass rods respond to, do not, or cannot exist, but there is suffecient emphirical data, testimonies, and electornic metering been done to suggest that Dowsers on this forum are indeed truthful in their claims of detecting the emenating field of Ley lines, harmonic signal lines and physical targets.

From my own point of view, I consider the inclusion of physics applications to the term Dowsing to be a mis-nomer. The Moderators, have made it clear that the physical (physics) aspect is not to be included in TNET Dowsing discussions.

I will try to adhere to the rules and continue to discuss only the meta-physics aspect related to mental Dowsing. I hope the critics will refrain from modifying the subject to suit their agenda. Dell

Okay, where? Please show me any respectable scientific publication that proves the existance of these signal lines as detected by a brass rod.

Oh, and you didn't answer my question. A metal detector doesn't trace a signal line to a target. Where'd you come up with that?

 

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[ClonedSIM]

Okay, where? Please show me any respectable scientific publication that proves the existance of these signal lines as detected by a brass rod.

Oh, and you didn't answer my question. A metal detector doesn't trace a signal line to a target. Where'd you come up with that?

Show me any respectable scientific publication that proves that harmonic Signal lines don't exist, and that they cannot be metered by a brass rod?

You have a habit of not answering my questions such as, Do you believe that Jerry Laden, found the bowl of Gemstones by Dowsing?

To answer your extended question, I'm speaking of fact from Knowledge and personal experience. That's how I came up with that.
Dell

Personal experience does not a fact make, Dell. You should know that. The eyes and brain are not fool-proof.

And, we've been through this before, is it likely that a publication has been printed not proving the existance of something? How do you prove something does not exist, Dell? Think about it.

Do I believe Jerry L found the bowl of gemstones by dowsing?
1. They were not gemstones.
2. He did not say they were found by dowsing.
3. Jerry is a skeptic, and does not believe that dowsing works.
(Maybe you should re-read that post?)

 

[aarthrj3811]

Another NON-ANSWER....Art

 

[ClonedSIM]

Another NON-ANSWER....Art

I answered his question with another question because there is no possible answer to such an innane query. I then went on to address the rest of his post. I know that's a foreign idea to someone like you.

Why don't you run along and mis-quote someone, Art?

 

[ClonedSIM]

Another NON-ANSWER....Art

Oh, and if you want to talk about non-answers, Art:

I asked Dell

Okay, where? Please show me any respectable scientific publication that proves the existence of these signal lines as detected by a brass rod.

and his answer:

Show me any respectable scientific publication that proves that harmonic Signal lines don't exist, and that they cannot be metered by a brass rod?

Again, read man! Before you go spouting off perhaps you should have at least the tiniest comprehension of the conversation?

 

[aarthrj3811]

Gee Boo....In three years you have been asked to give us proof that what you tell us is true.....I have not saw this proof. Could it be that all you know is a bunch of old wives tales....Art

 

[ClonedSIM]

Gee Boo....In three years you have been asked to give us proof that what you tell us is true.....I have not saw this proof. Could it be that all you know is a bunch of old wives tales....Art

Wow, are you truly that thick, Art? Wait. Yes, you are.

No one can possibly perform a study to discover the nonexistence of something. If something is not there, how do you prove it is not there? By it's absence? You have proven to us over and over that you do not understand even the most basic scientific tenants, Art. It stopped being funny months ago, now it's just sad.

Oh, and nice way of ignoring all my questions. Have you heard the phrase "the pot calling the kettle black?"

 

[aarthrj3811]

No one can possibly perform a study to discover the nonexistence of something. If something is not there, how do you prove it is not there? By it's absence? You have proven to us over and over that you do not understand even the most basic scientific tenants, Art. It stopped being funny months ago, now it's just sad.

So you say you have no proof because there is none....So all your facts are false...I already knew that...Art

 

[ClonedSIM]

No one can possibly perform a study to discover the nonexistence of something. If something is not there, how do you prove it is not there? By it's absence? You have proven to us over and over that you do not understand even the most basic scientific tenants, Art. It stopped being funny months ago, now it's just sad.

So you say you have no proof because there is none....So all your facts are false...I already knew that...Art

You don't get it, Art, and you never will. I for one am tired of trying to teach you anything.

You have nothing intelligent to add to a conversation and simply clutter up this board with your nonsense.

 

[aarthrj3811]

You don't get it, Art, and you never will. I for one am tired of trying to teach you anything.

You have nothing intelligent to add to a conversation and simply clutter up this board with your nonsense.

Ok.....I am a Dowser....So I want to post about Dowsing....I have always thought I was in the right section of t-net....

Dowsing
Discuss L-rods, Spanish dip needles, map dowsing, and other dowsing related subjects. Discussion is limited to simple, inexpensive devices and techniques. Sub-Categories: Why I Think Dowsing Works (pro-dowsing), Why I Think Dowsing DOESN'T Work

 

[ClonedSIM]

You don't get it, Art, and you never will. I for one am tired of trying to teach you anything.

You have nothing intelligent to add to a conversation and simply clutter up this board with your nonsense.

Ok.....I am a Dowser....So I want to post about Dowsing....I have always thought I was in the right section of t-net....

Dowsing
Discuss L-rods, Spanish dip needles, map dowsing, and other dowsing related subjects. Discussion is limited to simple, inexpensive devices and techniques. Sub-Categories: Why I Think Dowsing Works (pro-dowsing), Why I Think Dowsing DOESN'T Work

You have intelligent responses in you. I've read some of your responses in the Pro-Dowsing forum. Why you choose to leave your brain at the door when you come into the general dowsing forum is beyond me.

Don't hide behind the fact that you can post here. The question is whether you should post here. You constantly misquote people, intentionally misinterpret posts, and generally make a nuisance of yourself with links to nowhere and one-word posts that look like a monkey banging on a keyboard produced them. On top of which you completely ignore posts directed at you and instead choose to reply posts that have nothing to do with you, all the while twisting other people's words to suit you own purposes. Why not save up your thoughts and put them all together on a single post?

 

[aarthrj3811]

You have intelligent responses in you. I've read some of your responses in the Pro-Dowsing forum. Why you choose to leave your brain at the door when you come into the general dowsing forum is beyond me.

How come everytime some one new comes to the forum you give them a hard time and post the same non-proven facts that we have disproved many many times. To the Hundreds of Dowsers that have posted here you are not funny...Art

 

[Tom_in_CA]

Wow, I go away for 7 or 8 hours, and the thread is FULL! You guys gotta take a break (just kidding, I enjoyed reading it). Yes, you can't prove from science a void. (ie.: prooving something "doesn't" exist). So all I can say is, that unless we enlisted the entire scientific community to go over the terms, or unless any of us is a scientist to enter into this conversation, we're all sort of p*ssing in the wind.

But think of it, if you think think it's scientific, and as you know, a detector with purposed electronics, can barely get a foot on a coin, you THINK that something as simple as a coat hanger will find a coin a mile away? C'mon! You know this is all metaphysical so hang up your scientific stuff and admit it's metaphysical! I would have NO problem if you just admitted that. Then sure, go get rich by any such means. But others of us will not go by the "end justifies the means" justification.

I do not verify a techique by the results, but rather by science.

 

[aarthrj3811]

Good answer Jerry....So I will ask the same question and give you a chance to "give an answer" ?.....Art

Show me any respectable scientific publication that proves that harmonic Signal lines don't exist, and that they cannot be metered by a brass rod?

 

[ClonedSIM]

You have intelligent responses in you. I've read some of your responses in the Pro-Dowsing forum. Why you choose to leave your brain at the door when you come into the general dowsing forum is beyond me.

How come everytime some one new comes to the forum you give them a hard time and post the same non-proven facts that we have disproved many many times. To the Hundreds of Dowsers that have posted here you are not funny...Art

Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't realize that you and Dell were new to this forum.

 

[ClonedSIM]

Good answer Jerry....So I will ask the same question and give you a chance to "give an answer" ?.....Art

Show me any respectable scientific publication that proves that harmonic Signal lines don't exist, and that they cannot be metered by a brass rod?

And here's Art, ignoring what he is afraid of and repeating someone else's questions while answering none directed at him. Shall we give this another go, Art?

Another NON-ANSWER....Art

Oh, and if you want to talk about non-answers, Art:

I asked Dell

Okay, where? Please show me any respectable scientific publication that proves the existence of these signal lines as detected by a brass rod.

and his answer:

Show me any respectable scientific publication that proves that harmonic Signal lines don't exist, and that they cannot be metered by a brass rod?

Again, read man! Before you go spouting off perhaps you should have at least the tiniest comprehension of the conversation?

Now, not only are you not answering questions, you're repeating a response that was a non-answer in the first place. How do you sleep at night?

 

[Tom_in_CA]

Dell, you say: "I am open minded to accepting your using a marshmallow on your head to dowse, but at this point I don't understand your mentality behind it. Please elaborate."

What? You don't understand the mentality behind it? It's mental dowsing bro! There needs to be no sense behind it! Don't you get it? There's no sense that rods work either, but you seem to find sense in that. So to the degree that you agree that my system is absurd, lacks a method of working, etc... So too do LRL/dowsing skeptics find brass rods, magnets taped to heads, coins in your mouth, etc.... To me, they're both equally meritless. Now do you understand?

And you go to great lengths invoking lots of scientific theories as to why dowsing works, but THEN go and say it's mental and metaphysical? Seems to me you're contradicting yourself. It's either scientific or it's mental/metaphysical (read: "occult"). You can't have it both ways.

 

[ClonedSIM]

Dell, you say: "I am open minded to accepting your using a marshmallow on your head to dowse, but at this point I don't understand your mentality behind it. Please elaborate."

What? You don't understand the mentality behind it? It's mental dowsing bro! There needs to be no sense behind it! Don't you get it? There's no sense that rods work either, but you seem to find sense in that. So to the degree that you agree that my system is absurd, lacks a method of working, etc... So too do LRL/dowsing skeptics find brass rods, magnets taped to heads, coins in your mouth, etc.... To me, they're both equally meritless. Now do you understand?

And you go to great lengths invoking lots of scientific theories as to why dowsing works, but THEN go and say it's mental and metaphysical? Seems to me you're contradicting yourself. It's either scientific or it's mental/metaphysical (read: "occult"). You can't have it both ways.

Tom! Are you saying that dowsers contradict each other and themselves constantly and without even realizing it?

 

[Tom_in_CA]

Tom! Are you saying that dowsers contradict each other and themselves constantly and without even realizing it? Nah, would I do THAT? Say it isn't so!

 

[ClonedSIM]

Tom! Are you saying that dowsers contradict each other and themselves constantly and without even realizing it? Nah, would I do THAT? Say it isn't so!