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[Miner49er]

Quote by Albert Einstein
"I know very well that many scientists consider dowsing as they do astrology, as a type of ancient superstition. According to my conviction this is, however, unjustified. The dowsing rod is a simple instrument which shows the reaction of the human nervous system to certain factors which are unknown to us at this time."

 

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[Jeffro]

If Albert were alive today, he would know it as the ideomotor effect.

 

[Miner49er]

Wrong, he was speaking about "certain factors", not the nervous system.

 

[Jeffro]

If Albert were alive today......... man would he stink!

 

[Miner49er]

Why?

 

[Jeffro]

Because he's dead. Ever smell a dead body?

 

[Miner49er]

But you made the statement....................
If Albert were alive today........
Does not alive mean NOT dead
Oh, I get it!!! You are a charter member of jelad.

 

[Jeffro]

I don't know jelad from Adam, is it kinda like the Don's?

 

[Tom_in_CA]

I always love it when .... when all attempts to explain dowsing fail, someone will say it works d/t science "which are unknown to us at this time."

I can show you anything, no matter how absurd, and suggest you go point it at the country-side, to look for treasure. If you say "that's ridiculous", I'll just say "it's un-discovered science", and you won't be able to refute me. For example, take a pair of pliars out, while having a marshmellow taped to your forehead, and I'll bet you can find treasure! Just dig enough holes, in enough historic places, use your detector to "pinpoint" and you WILL eventually find something. Gauranteed! And it was due the pliars and the marshmellow. Science will someday prove how it worked. Now if you say that's ridiculous, then so too, do I say that pointing a bent coat hanger is ridiculous. You can't have it both ways.

The fact of some testimonials is not conclusive. See my post "how do you discount the testimonials?" on the "why I don't believe" portion of this forum.

 

[ClonedSIM]

I always love it when .... when all attempts to explain dowsing fail, someone will say it works d/t science "which are unknown to us at this time."

I can show you anything, no matter how absurd, and suggest you go point it at the country-side, to look for treasure. If you say "that's ridiculous", I'll just say "it's un-discovered science", and you won't be able to refute me. For example, take a pair of pliars out, while having a marshmellow taped to your forehead, and I'll bet you can find treasure! Just dig enough holes, in enough historic places, use your detector to "pinpoint" and you WILL eventually find something. Gauranteed! And it was due the pliars and the marshmellow. Science will someday prove how it worked. Now if you say that's ridiculous, then so too, do I say that pointing a bent coat hanger is ridiculous. You can't have it both ways.

The fact of some testimonials is not conclusive. See my post "how do you discount the testimonials?" on the "why I don't believe" portion of this forum.

That undiscovered science is a wonderful thing, isn't it? A nice big shield for dowsers to throw up whenever the "Science-Monster" rears it's head.

This is basically dowsers saying, "Accepted science doesn't know about the powers that make dowsing work, but we dowsers have it all figured out and know exactly how to harness this undiscovered power. Naturally, we won't be sharing our discovery with you because your infantile brains would explode it we tried to explain it."

....yeah, I buy that.....

 

[ivan salis]

metal detectors work because of the electric feild that the detector makes under its coil being disturbed by metals in the ground it picks up the disturbance and beeps to let you know it is happening -- correct ? we know that this science* works correct ? (we all do use metal detectors right*) -- ok then think this way -- the human body "runs" off electrical impulses going thru our nervious system (its a "known" medical fact*)-- we have an "electrical feild" or aura caused by it (auras have been photographed (fact*) -- mainly copper rods are used for dowsing* -- copper is a "known" highly conductive metal(fact*)----- thus here is my theory on dowsing --(Ivan's theory) ---- the copper rods use the bodies electrical aura energy to detect metal the reaction cause the rods to cross -- peoples energy levels vary-- some folks have more robust aura than others and some folks senses are touchier that others (this is quite normal as folks vary in size and strengh why not other things as well)-- (my wifes sense of smell is delicate -- a strong odor can over power her sense of smell easily often causing her to get a headache - lots of folks are "sensitive" to stuff) --the stuff I speak of is "well known" science and (facts*) --not idiot type mumbo jumbo ramblings --- there are many little known or misunderstood scientific things out there waiting to be explored by a open minded person --- Ivan

 

[Miner49er]

Jerry Laden (JE LAD, clever, no?) stated: “ Me thinks your psi-tracks are showing again.”
Why don’t you explain that J_L?

 

[ClonedSIM]

metal detectors work because of the electric feild that the detector makes under its coil being disturbed by metals in the ground it picks up the disturbance and beeps to let you know it is happening -- correct ? we know that this science* works correct ? (we all do use metal detectors right*) -- ok then think this way -- the human body "runs" off electrical impulses going thru our nervious system (its a "known" medical fact*)-- we have an "electrical feild" or aura caused by it (auras have been photographed (fact*) -- mainly copper rods are used for dowsing* -- copper is a "known" highly conductive metal(fact*)----- thus he is my theory (Ivan's theory) ---- the copper rods use the bodies electrical aura energy to detect metal -- peoples energy levels vary-- some folks have more robust aura than others and some folks senses are touchier that others -- (my wifes sense of smell is very strong -- a strong odor can over power her sense of smell easily often causing her to get a headache - lots of folks are "sensitive" to stuff) --the stuff I speak of as science are "well known" (facts*) --not idiot type mumbo jumbo ramblings --- there are many little known or misunderstood scientific things out there waiting to be explored by a open minded person --- Ivan

I guess I'll have to go do some reading. I didn't know that photographing auras around a person was a scientific process. What do these auras indicate? Are you talking about "auras" that show moods, etc.?

 

[Miner49er]

In Russia they teach dowsing as a science. Many of the top dowsers are doctors, engineers and scientists. Professor Alexander P. Dubrov, Pro. Of Biophysics, Doctor of Geophysics (author of " geomagnetic Fields and Life) being one of them. Dr. Alexander P. Dubrov, Russian Health Ministry, scientist, biological effects of low-level electromagnetics.

 

[ivan salis]

yes auras can show mood ( strong moods often affect the body --- getting mad often raises your blood pressure for exsample) but mainly an "aura" is used to show the electrical flow of "energy" within the body -- injuried limbs often show a reduced "energy flow" to the damaged limbs -- all electrical items ( bodies of animals included ) have a electrical feild produced by the flow of energy -- some animals have specially developed senses to detect the feilds of prey animals (sharks) are one of them that do --- the martial artist of old called it "chi" and taught you to feel it and the flow of anothers "chi" as they attacked thus making you feel what he was going to do before he did it -- kind of like in star wars --the "force" you feel anothers "feild" of energy -- Ivan

 

[Tom_in_CA]

Ivan, you say "the copper rods use the bodies electrical aura energy to detect metal the reaction cause the rods to cross -" What you're doing, is taking a few true scientific statements, and then mixing them to give an unscientific supposed result. Kind of like this: Thumbtacks are sharp (the reader can't dispute that), and dollar bills are green (the reader can't dispute that), so THEREFORE these things enable me to sing in the key of C. You can't dispute my facts, therefore my alleged outcome is also indisputable, right? Of course not.

There is no way the teensy electricals in our body, combined with a copper rod, have ANYTHING to do with pointing those rods at a field, and they get drawn to distant metals. You fail to show how that follows your initial facts. Your facts leading up to this, are all true, but you fail to say how in the h*ck any of that causes your result. I mean, even with all the battery power put into metal detectors (and that's a LOT more than our bodies put out), and even with all their purposeful electronic components specifically designed for a result, still our detectors can only pick up a coin sized item to a foot, and a toaster sized item maybe to a few foot. How will random items like copper wire and your bodies impulses, electricals, etc... have anything to do with finding metal? Your jump in logic from true factors, to your "therefore" don't add up.

 

[aarthrj3811]

The ruse works in a lot of cases, when they expound their borrowed terms and nonsense theories to those that are in a similar IQ level, or below. But, when someone with a High School education, or better, begins to examine their ramblings; ---that's when their theories and explanations fall flat, like a house of cards in wind storm.
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[ivan salis]

what I am doing is taking known proven scientific facts - facts*metal detectors work -- we use them to find metal( fact #1*) detectors use electrically made energy feild to detect metals (fact #2*) thus that an electrical feild CAN BE USED TO DETECT OR FIND METALS would be a factual statement .

the human body runs off electrical impulses via our nervious system (#3 fact) the human body has a detectible "energy feild" or aura (fact#4)copper wire is highly conductive to electric signals -- it is it main use (fact#5) ---fact some people bodies are more sensitive that others (to sound ,light and smells and other stimulating events and objects---(its very well known fact and common sense lets us know that)

given these known facts--- my theory is thus ---- the electric impluses & the electrical feild (facts # 3 & # 4 ) formed by the human body via the copper rods ( fact #5) reacts with the metals in the ground (fact #2) resulting in the finding of metal (fact #1) -- this is my explanation -- what and where do you find fault with it ?

this uses no mumbo jumbo science but rather sound known scientific knowledge in a attempt to explain the basic idea of how dowsing works -- not all people can dowse however -- some folks have a stronger feild of energy than others ( just like some humans are phyically stonger than others this would not be any differant than the fact that some folks are taller than others) -- things and talents vary from person to person -- everyone has a knack for this or that and that is what makes a person Unique or simply put differant from one another -- Ivan

p.s. my gpa in college was 3.53 and I have a NS degree --

 

[Tom_in_CA]

Ivan, you say: "( fact #5) reacts with the metals in the ground ". What does "reacts" mean? How? Why? Once again, you're just borrowing scientific terms. I can say, marshmellows taped to my head "reacts" to metals in the ground" and you'd have no less means to discount that, than your own string of logic.

Dell, you say: "What has already been done, can be done". Unfortunately, "THE DOOR TO KNOWLEDGE & UNDERSTANDING IS NEVER OPEN TO A CLOSED, OR PREJUDICED MIND" . Dell

So do results justify the means? If I can consult an occult medium and get "results", does that make it right? If I rob a bank and get rich, does that make it right? Does the term "closed mind" mean that you will be open enough to apply my pliars and "marshmellow taped you your head treasure finder" system to work? (c'mon, be open-minded and try it!)

 

[ClonedSIM]

Metal detector used to trace the Signal line to a distant target. Dowsing Rods detect the same signal line.
What has already been done, can be done. Dell

A metal detector doesn't trace a signal line to a target. Where'd you come up with that?

What has already been stated incorrectly, will continue to be stated incorrectly. -AF1733