good condition 1788 Massachusetts Colonial Copper good condition

[cwb426]

good condition '1788 Massachusetts Colonial Copper' good condition

found this was wondering if anybody knew what this is worth or if it could be sold willing to sell

 

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[Iron Patch]

Re: good condition '1788 Massachusetts Colonial Copper' good condition

You asked for opinions, they were give to you with references. You can choose to accept or not but calling names is uncalled for and not allowed.

what kind of reference ??

There are photos and links to refer to. The OP can take the post as they see fit. Name calling isn't allowed nor does it have any place when one asks for an opinion.

when you ask for an opinion the world wide web is full of them chose one for or against they do not make your opinion the word of god it seems like there are the same negative opinions coming from the same people is that what this treasure net is about i would hope it would help with a definite answer not the same nay-sayers all mighty opinion which has been the normal ask mark if he wants his forum misrepresented

Sometimes the truth hurts....move on!

If you can not afford an attorney Krazyhorse will be appointed to defend your case.

if you need someone to stomp your find back into the ground just post it and I patch will be there for you

Exactly. At least if someone digs it up in 150 years it will be old. (but still fake)

 

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[Roland58]

Re: good condition '1788 Massachusetts Colonial Copper' good condition

You asked for opinions, they were give to you with references. You can choose to accept or not but calling names is uncalled for and not allowed.

what kind of reference ??

There are photos and links to refer to. The OP can take the post as they see fit. Name calling isn't allowed nor does it have any place when one asks for an opinion.

when you ask for an opinion the world wide web is full of them chose one for or against they do not make your opinion the word of god it seems like there are the same negative opinions coming from the same people is that what this treasure net is about i would hope it would help with a definite answer not the same nay-sayers all mighty opinion which has been the normal ask mark if he wants his forum misrepresented

Sometimes the truth hurts....move on!

If you can not afford an attorney Krazyhorse will be appointed to defend your case.

if you need someone to stomp your find back into the ground just post it and I patch will be there for you

Exactly. At least if someone digs it up in 150 years it will be old. (but still fake)

But, it will probably be worth a lot more than the $30 a counterfeit is going for now. Of course, it will also be a lot more corroded and may not be recognizable. Decisions, decisions. No doubt I would have to take something like that to a pro, I would never be able to tell the difference.

 

[spitfire55]

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[l.cutler]

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I guess I am a little late weighing in but as Iron Patch says it is absolutely a fake. You can tell from a photo just by the look of the surfaces and the lettering. The lettering and devices are sort of "mushy" and the fields somewhat w avyindicating a cast copy. If you look at the edge you will probably see a seam from casting process. This is one of the many "souvenir" type replicas sold cheaply. When you have seen and studied enough genuine examples it is easy to spot one of these. Counterfeits more carefully made to deceive are much tougher to identify.

 

[steelheadwill]

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LOL! Well IP I know one thing -- you are certainly not a "perfetional" Must have attended the same school as a Minelab customer service champion that PM'ed me last night calling me a "bonehaed" Heck, I resemble that remark

Kinda reminds me of my Continental Curency Find.
Except I didn't comment, just listened.

thanks im not a perfetional like mr america

Guess you're getting all emotional again. But that's ok, it's actually fairly common for people on here to believe what they want to believe. It doesn't matter to me.

Holy Shat! 'I Resemble that remark' You just gave me a total Visual! LMAO
Odds on this one I found? (in my underwear drawer, hasn't been opened since 1776)
I shouldn't be joking. Serious discussion here

 

[Erik in NJ]

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Odds on this one I found? (in my underwear drawer, hasn't been opened since 1776)

That made me laugh!!

TMI (too much information) there Will Funny my wife sometimes accuses me of the same thing (shhhhhhh!), so you're in good company

Best, Erik

 

[hogge]

Re: good condition '1788 Massachusetts Colonial Copper' good condition

It's an EXACT "COPY", of the one in the Red Book. Doesn't that tell you something? There is a weight range on an authentic piece. So weigh yours and see what it is in grains. Also, put a magnet to it, or run your detector over it, and see what it reads. Stop grasping at straws. The darn coin is a FANTASY or COPY coin. MILLIONS of these are sold in novelty shops, souvinier shops, or coastal tourist shops, all over the country! Get a grip on it!

 

[dirtyJohn]

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It looks to me that on the authentic coin the bow is grasped by the limb. On the potentially fake one it's being grasped by the string. Just an observation.
HH
John

 

[MonkeyBoy]

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I would like to ask what prominent points make this coin an "obvious" fake? I'm no coin expert and know little or nothing about spotting a fake. If someone can please tell me how this coin would be recognized as fake, simply from these pictures, I would very much appreciate it. Please be specific.

The lettering. It's crude and falls somewhere in between what you'd expect of a period counterfeit struck with hand cut dies, and the genuine issue, but it's easy to tell it's neither.

Here's another example, it's crude, but if you have enough experience with these early coins you can tell right away an authentic issue does not look like this after striking. Both this and the one above are so obvious to me it's like asking if something is black or white. I can't speak in all the lingo because I'm not any kind of expert, but I've been around enough to have a good idea, and had many conversations with an online friend who is an expert.

that coin has nothing to do with the one i posted it is very worne and im sorry for letting my emotions get the best of me to al

The point is both coins have the same style of lettering that is not right for the real coin (s). There's nothing more that can be said because that's where the chances of it being real end.

the coin in the book is real

It takes about two seconds of comparing these two coins to see they are not the same.. so comparing it to the one in the book does not help the case of saying it is real. I'm more of a Civil War relic guy myself but I have been lucky and found a few colonials over the years.. and it looks like a modern souvenir coin to me.. I think the issue is more about some of the same posters in this thread didn't agree that some other relic might have been a hat badge so now anything they say comes back to "they are not experts, so it might be the real McCoy" just my opinion.. but I'm no expert ;-)

MB

 

[DigginThePast]

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Great link Rick.

 

[allen]

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send it to one of the coin authenticators
too see what they say.
good luck and welcome to TNET !!!

 

[Rick (Nova Scotia)]

Re: good condition '1788 Massachusetts Colonial Copper' good condition

Great link Rick.

Sorry diggin christmas past, I'll put it back.

Counterfeit coins are a lot more common, apparently, than many people think. Any coin with any real value is a suspect.

Here's a quote albeit about british coins
"by February of 1753 it was estimated almost half the coppers in circulation were counterfeit. At the same time significant quantities of counterfeits were being sent to the colonies."

taken from here, http://www.coins.nd.edu/ColCoin/ColCoinIntros/CtfBrit.intro.html

I'll leave the other part out though.

 

[Iron Patch]

Re: good condition '1788 Massachusetts Colonial Copper' good condition

Great link Rick.

Sorry diggin christmas past, I'll put it back.

Counterfeit coins are a lot more common, apparently, than many people think

Here's a quote albeit about british coins
"by February of 1753 it was estimated almost half the coppers in circulation were counterfeit. At the same time significant quantities of counterfeits were being sent to the colonies."

taken from here, http://www.coins.nd.edu/ColCoin/ColCoinIntros/CtfBrit.intro.html

I'll leave the other part out though.

Yes, but there's a HUGE difference between contemporary counterfeits and modern reproductions. Show me the right contemporary counterfeit and I'll show you a new detector.

 

[DigginThePast]

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X-ring IP. Many contemporary counterfeits will have significant value in their own right while a modern counterfeit/reproduction or a fantasy coin will have virtually no value.

I like Rick's link from the sense that it will help a newbie start to understand that these things have been forged virtually for as long as they were first produced. When one comes to accept that the "coin" they are holding in their hand has been forged for the past 200 years then they are better prepared to accept the potential truths regarding said "coin", in my opinion.

 

[Rick (Nova Scotia)]

Re: good condition '1788 Massachusetts Colonial Copper' good condition

Great link Rick.

Sorry diggin christmas past, I'll put it back.

Counterfeit coins are a lot more common, apparently, than many people think

Here's a quote albeit about british coins
"by February of 1753 it was estimated almost half the coppers in circulation were counterfeit. At the same time significant quantities of counterfeits were being sent to the colonies."

taken from here, http://www.coins.nd.edu/ColCoin/ColCoinIntros/CtfBrit.intro.html

I'll leave the other part out though.

Yes, but there's a HUGE difference between contemporary counterfeits and modern reproductions. Show me the right contemporary counterfeit and I'll show you a new detector.

Yes I know IP, I can think of one right off that even has the wrong date on it, worth many, many times what the real coin is. Just making a point that there are a lot of counterfeits around, old and new too.

 

[hogge]

Re: good condition '1788 Massachusetts Colonial Copper' good condition

Great link Rick.

Sorry diggin christmas past, I'll put it back.

Counterfeit coins are a lot more common, apparently, than many people think

Here's a quote albeit about british coins
"by February of 1753 it was estimated almost half the coppers in circulation were counterfeit. At the same time significant quantities of counterfeits were being sent to the colonies."

taken from here, http://www.coins.nd.edu/ColCoin/ColCoinIntros/CtfBrit.intro.html

I'll leave the other part out though.

Yes, but there's a HUGE difference between contemporary counterfeits and modern reproductions. Show me the right contemporary counterfeit and I'll show you a new detector.

Show me a 1783, backwards "S" contemporary CFT., I'll show you $3,750!! Oh Ya......That's right.....I ALREADY DID!! Point said..... This also brings to mind a CFT. 8 Real my brother in-law found in the spring. The same, authentic coin, in condition, can be found on EBAY for about $75-$100. He has been offered $250 and wants to keep it. There is a collector base for these types of CFT. coins. I also have a great example of an 1880's CFT. Morgan Dollar.

 

[mcmich]

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some people can be condescending and most likely dont realize..just a thought

 

[hogge]

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some people can be condescending and most likely dont realize..just a thought

The fact of the matter is.........The poster and a certain other......refuses to believe the coin is a modern copy. I'm far from an expert.......but have a certain degree of knowledge in this area. Take it as condescending......or the hard truth. My "sugar" bowl is empty.

 

[Roland58]

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"My "sugar" bowl is empty."

Now, that's funny.....I don't care who y'are.

 

[KRAZYHORSES]

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CWB these people will let you know what you have http://www.google.com/aclk?sa=L&ai=...Online.com&rct=j&q=colonial mass coin&cad=rja i am sure it's not a 1/2 pence you can also ask these people http://groups.yahoo.com/group/C4online/