Gold ll escudos

Peg Leg, I sent it to him, I was hoping maybe it was real. I wasnt doing anything underhanded, as I told you to send him a pic. I know others said to also. I do know he is an expert-I am not, but I have cleaned hundreds of cobs, and I have never seen any like that, in a collection or museum, anywhere. Like I said, if you did find it, then it must be real. I wasnt trying to rub anything in your face, just trying to find out what they were. And I just got back to work, so I didnt check here for the last couple days and still have not read any emails. Hopefully they are real, good luck, Steve. Oh and belated happy Birthday! ;D
 

Peg Leg, Mr. Sedwick said you sent him an email also, but didnt send a pic. When I sent the pic he could figure it out. I assume he sent you back an email and what he felt it was. I sent it with your email so he could get back with you. He is a very honest person, and he doesnt like people making fakes, and he 'exposes" people selling fakes on Ebay and other sites without saying they are fakes. Now I know you have not tried to sell your coins, and just want verification. Why not ask one of the worlds most well known cob expert about it? Steve.
 

Stevemc,
According to Sedwick these coins are FAKE which could mean they are also counterfeits but when were these coins made is the big question.
If you can please explain the difference between a COBBED coin and a MACHINE MADE COIN.
During Philip II's. time there were 2 mints in Granada. 1 was where the coins were hammered and the other was where the coins were done by a machine. The machine came from Germany. When I first started trying to find who the assayers was a few of these coins appeared to have been hammered. Now there are a few that appear to have been made on a machine. This machine is discussed in detail on the website. Also check out when the time period was when Gold II escudos were minted in Granada Spain (Segovia). You can look it up if you want.
READ ALL THAT IS SAID-THERE ARE SOME PARTS IN ENGLISH AND SOME IN SPAINISH. There are a lot of photos including one that shows a strip of coins that were stamped by machine before the coins were cut from the strip. They do not say how these coins were cut from the strips.
My question is this. If Sedwick could say these coins are fake just from a photo then WHY can't the Historical Society in Granada Spain determine the same thing. I also sent a photo to [email protected] which is the main Spanish coin experts in the world. They also requested one of the coins. If Sedwick could determine these coins are FAKE from a single photo WHY did the leading experts in the world request that I send them a coin. This I fully intend on doing.
I was Told this morning that if it proves out that these coins are REAL they would be the RAREST SPAINISH GOLD COIN EVER TO BE FOUND OUTSIDE OF SPAIN.
Time will tell.
I will get to the bottom of this no matter what the end results are.
PEGLEG
 

Royal 8 escudos dont just grow on trees either. Peg Leg, a cob is rough, means end of the bar-cabo de baro in spanish as it is a cut off piece of gold that is hammered by hand and it is not very flat, but escudos, being gold and softer than silver are usually more uniformly flat than silver cobs. The backdrop to this website and has been the back drop since the beginning for the last 10 years, are royal 8 escudos from the 1715 wrecks. They are cobs, and they were made in the New World and so I suppose hand hammered. Machine coins are usually very uniform, compared to a cob. I have seen gold Ducats and later escudos that were machine made and they are all the same. They usually have a very finished edge, with perfect edges, compared to a cob. Machine made coins are made from a uniform sheet of metal and stamped out. Silver cobs are very irregular, never perfectly round, because they are harder to flatten out, but gold cobs are usually more round.
 

gdaddyflex,
I wonder if this coin IS a FAKE then why would Spain want it back.
ALSO
The [email protected]
Have requested one of the coins as well AFTER I sent them a photo of the coins.
One last thing.
A counterfiet is also a fake, right? but when was this counterfiet made if it is a counterfiet?
If you were to take the 29 coins x an average of 6.7 grams = 194.3 grams or 6.935 ounces of 22k gold this comes to some serious money even back then. At todays gold price this is still a chunck of change ::)
Since there are only 12 coins left as coins and the rest are hammered into trinkets I have been thinking about offering the trinkets on EBAY as Gold Indian artifacts. Of course the coins are a different story. I will keep them till I know something for sure one way or the other.
Now you must understand that I agree that Mr. Sedwick is an EXPERT and I do not in any way want to debate what he has said but it is like going to the Doctors before a serious operation. I just want a different opinion and as far as the Spanish experts wanting to keep the coins they did not cost me anything as long as I get their opinion in writing SO WHAT- I STILL HAVE 12 LEFT.
In closing I want everyone to understand that the 2 coins shown on this forum were the best of what I had recovered. The rest are no where near in this good a shape.
Later
PEG LEG
 

By the way I emailed both people that have a COPY of the Gold II escudo on EBAY.
Both companies had no dea where the orginal was located. One told me that the company they were getting the COPIES from is no longer in business. This was the Spanish company that told me this. The one from the UK just said that the did not know where the orginal was located. I then asked if they were making these copies or were they buying the copies-NO ANSWER.
pegleg
 

Peg,

Well....
Any news yet from the Historical Society in Granada Spain?

Trez
 

No Sir, Have not heard a word from anyone in Spain and I sent a coin to each of them and still NOTHING.
Peg Leg
 

Old Man,
I think I am getting very very close.
It appears that the last letter was stamped over. It was either a P stamped over with. a B or a B stamped over with a P. I believe it started as a P because the P upon a closer look stands out.
Take a real good look and you will see that the bottom of the letter is not the same as the top.
Now all I have to do is find out which one was done first.
I will send you more information as soon as I find it. I read about this early this morning now all I have to do is find out where it was ;D ;D ;D ::).
More LaterDon
 

Trez said:
Peg,

Well....
Any news yet from the Historical Society in Granada Spain?

Trez
Click to expand...


It's been a long time...............but, any news?
or is the saying "no news is good news"

Trez
 

Trez,
Another mystery.
Please take a look at the gold coin posted by Old Man on Dec 30, 2006. First off it is a I excudo and not a II. This is the same coin that he sent me.
I respectfully ask you what you think about where this coin was minted and when it was minted.
As for me I now believe that that it was stamped over with a P. I cannot find the information I found yesterday about this over stamping.
There is a really good photo post by the Old Man in the II escudo posting.
Thanks for any information you can share on this coin.
Peg Leg
 

PEG, WHHHHAAAAATTTTTT !!!!
Can't anybody recover from a nite of boozing.....

Plain cross w/ no ornaments... so this is just a guess....
Seville - Felipe II Assayer C over H Just a guess...the cross makes me think different but.
I'm no good at this stuff, your guess's are as good as mine.

Best of Luck,

Trez
 

Well everyone EBAY has a coin that looks like the one I am talking about.
It is a 1 Gold Escudo that was minted between 1556 and 1598.
The coin is quite worn with a weight of 3.4 grams but the Cross is almost perfect.
The shield is a little rough and worn.
There is a part of the letter S. This S is more of an S than the coin I have.
BUT I also believe that the coin that the Old Man sent me is of a later date of around 1621 or 22 and was minted by Phlip III.
I just came back from a Jeweler that I know and had him do a scratch test. He was not able to determine the exact karat but it was less than 24K and more than 22K-this does not tell me a thing. His testing pins only went in 2 karat increments.
I guess I am at the same place as when I started.
The person offering the coin on ebay is GARY WEST who is a member of ANA and his coin comes with certs.
Check it out.
Later
Peg leg
 

Peg,

You have to make us search huh?
can you provide the bid # etc?

Thanks.

Trez
 

I would say that if its less than 24K and more than 22K you could figure fairly close to what it is, as the acid test is only that accurate. I dont know one that does an easy test that will give you fractions of a carat of gold. I wouldnt worry about every exact point of a coin. I have seen many cobs that you could not tell much about them date or assayer wise, except maybe the ruler at the time for a general date, sometimes not even that. He said it was a beach find, so go from there. You already know the ruler, so you know aproximately when it was made.
 

lol, sorry, i just wanna watch the dog fight some more.
either way, u all have alot of knowledge, good luck, and i hope u found what ur answers pegleg.
 

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