Gold ll escudos

[stevemc]

I dont think I can post them, but I will try. Over the years the Spanish had different weight of coins, I dont know where it might be on the internet, if at all. But they changed weight and purity slightly over the years. maybe you can find it Peg leg.

 

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[Peg Leg]

Thanks,
So far all the coins and trinkets recovered have been 22.0 to 22.5 carats.
If you are unable to post the coins if someone can then I will sned them a scan.
Thanks
Peg leg.
By the way I am going in a few minutes to pick up the charts.

 

[stevemc]

Peg Legs pic I hope!

 

[Peg Leg]

trez,
Everything about these coins seem strange to me especially if I was not the one that found them. What I find unusual if that there are no small "o" around the loops. All the other II escudos I have ever seen had four of these little "o"s.
I am not very good in trying figure what may be right or what may be wrong so I will ask you POINT BLANK to post your OPINION right HERE for all to read.
Do not be concerned about me or what I may think-I will keep my mouth shut as long as the FINGER DOES NOT START.
But before you start I must tell you that there is a little more to this story that I have not posted on this forum but I have told several others.
SO LETS HEAR WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY-IN PUBLC.
Thanks
Peg Leg

 

[Peg Leg]

trez,
If you are not sure then why did you ask the question DOES ANYONE SEE ANYTHING STRANGE?
I will ask you again, WHAT DO YOU SEE THAT YOU CONSIDER STRANGE?
Pleas be as blunt as possible. You are the EXPERT here I sure as hell am not.
Right now it does not matter what the Society in Granada has said.
I am ASK YOU OF YOUR OPINION.
PLEASE POINT OUT THE STRANGE THINGS YOU SEE.
Thanks
PEG LEG

 

[Peg Leg]

No there is not a single letter, date or work anywhere to be found.
Peg leg

 

[stevemc]

Peg Leg, what I see unusual is first they are perfectly flat and very well stamped. And very good detail all over, more than I have ever seen. And like you said, some stuff is missing, but maybe they didnt put that on in those years. I am at work, and cant look anything up, except maybe the internet, to compare. I dont think that era would have had a perfect stamping, but maybe it was the stamping machine instead of hand hammered, I dont know when they started using it. But something doesnt look just right. Maybe if I saw it in real life, but the pic just doesnt look right. But if you did find it, then like I said in my PM to you, it must be real, as why would anyone make a fake, and that well 350 years ago.

 

[Peg Leg]

Steve,
This is my mistake. Since these coins are NOT round I assumed they were hammered. I can now see where they may have been pressed at the mint which as you know was in the same town. To be honest I donot believe there is anyone anywhere that can give anything but their opinion.
There was a lot going on during this time period between the King and the mints and the Royal Treasure and the assayers. There were also secret deals being made during this time.
When I first started I was only trying to find out who "oD" was and I am still not sure.
I have reached a point to where I could really give a crap what people think. These coins are GOLD and I did not make them but I am the one who recovered them and to e that is all that counts.Where the exact location to where I recovered them will remain a SECRET. I may want to go back and do some more searching.
PEG LEG

 

[Peg Leg]

Trez,
It is now you turn to voice your opinion. Everybody get to take a shot.
Peg leg

 

[Peg Leg]

Trez,
NO I never said that I had received these coins as part payment on a deal.
When I talked about Proto types this was just my thinking on a possibility because of the weight difference.
No one can say what the King would have thought.
Who is to say that these coins are incomplete?
On you second question.
Anything was possiblle.
You also state that YOU THINK that this coin is plain and without detail on the shield side.
To me it is in great detail. Take a good look at the Crown above the shield. I think it in fine detail. In fact I do not recall anyother gold coin with a cross in the Crown. There may be but I do not recall seeing any.
I am reading some undercurrent in your statement.
I have said all the time that there were 29 coins with a number of these coins being beaten in trinkets by INDIANS and as far as losing them to the Indians NO they were lost to the SEA,. It was the Indians that recovered them.
I DO NOT feel that these coins were stolen by anyone.
By the way I am sending one of the gold coins to the Historicial Society as they requested for futher study.
So far they have not said one word good or bad concerning these coins.
Before I end this topic I want to tell a few things that some know but most do not.
When I found these coins they were in a leather pounch. Of course the leather crumbled when I touched it. Even the draw strap was crumbley but guess what, I put what I could pick up into a small container including parts of the draw cord.
I am also sending some samples of this pouch along with the coin to Spain. I am also inclosingf a hammered trinket along with the whole story. Believe it or not they ARE excited and in fact have said that if this coin proves out it will be displayed.
AGAIN I make this assumption:
If there were any doubts in their minds that this is a FAKE coin then why are the asking me to provide a sample.
I am DONATING all this to the Society to do with whatever they decide.
Just think I am NOT askiing for a CENT.
I am not just a Treasure Hunter.
JUST THINK the State of Florida will never have one of these coins unless they purchase one. Now do you understand why the location will NEVER be told.
Thanks for your opinion.
Peg Leg

 

[Peg Leg]

Trez,
Question:
They have a copy of the scan that was posted on this forum which has no wording anywhere. If every coin that was minted in Granada had some type of wording would that not be enough to disclaim these coins as not being minted in Granada. As far as the file marks go who can say except these coins appear to be in uncirculated condition and since they are gold we know that they are soft and subject to wear.
I have never seen a coin this old in an uncirculated condition and the fact they were in a pouch and not subject to the tumbling over sand or laying in the ocean for a few hundred years, who really knows.
That brings me to your next question.
Who is better to judge a coin than the people who actually have ALL the information available concerning the minting of any coin FIRST HAND.
Would it not be the experts from the country that actually minted the coins to begin with or would be someone that had access to the books written by these experts. One must remember that these Spanish Experts have easy access to everything that may be associated to the minting of this coin and would not require interpretation.
By dealing direct with the experts in Spain they can provide the actual CERTIFICATION and NOT an opinion or guess work one way or another.
By doing it this way I think that time to get the job done and done right will be shortened by quite a bit.
I do not see any reason to waste any more time since I have had these coins for a little over 15 years and I have other projects that need my attention.
So as far as I am concerned until I hear from the Spanish experts I will get off this subject for now.
have a great day my friend.
Peg Leg

 

[stevemc]

Peg Leg, do us informed on what you find out, Please. Steve.

 

[stevemc]

That was KEEP us informed! Steve.

 

[Peg Leg]

I will keep everyone informed as soon a I hear something back
Peg leg

 

[Peg Leg]

Attention everyone,
I know that Trez is busting his butt to try and prove my coins are not real.
This is why he has posted the information concerning the SALE of REPLUICA coins like the REAL ONES that I have

 

[Peg Leg]

CONTINUED.
But if you will follow the site you will see that these coins are said to be REPLICA. To me this means a COPY of the orginal. I have ORGINALS and there are solid 22 karat gold.
Trez sent me a private message saying this was good new or bad news. I consider it GOOD NEWS simply because it is a COPY of the orginal.
I believe that he was trying to prove or show that my coins were FAKE.
For those that have been here from the beginning you will recall that I posted photos of the same FAKE coins that are now being offered for sale. Also if you will read his posting sayibg that there was something strange about the coins that was posted above. He said that they were to clean with to much space and no writing around the edges.
Please check out the auction site he has mentioned. My coins are cleaner and crisper and ARE solid gold and ARE ORGINALS.
I ALSO TAKE ISSUE WITH HIS REMARK ABOUT COMING FROM THE SAME BOAT.
I really get tired of all these sly undercurrent remarks-I DO NOT FIND THEM FUNNY.
However I believe that this time he has actualy help me without meaning to.
Peg leg

 

[Trez]

Peg....

I wish you well in your coins.......
whatever they are........
Bust my butt? sorry...

I have removed myself from your post.......so you can continue your search for more info on your "finds" without me throwing a wrench into it.
I do understand quite well when it comes to fakes, reproductions, copies...either plated, cast, gold alloys, 22kt, pewter, lead, in my garage (for the few who think such) the list goes on.
I am happy you found the "origionals" to the link that I posted...it is truly a remarkable find(s)

You must give me some credit...to have found one of these "rarest" of coins like yours. I am glad it cemented your feelings about them...it also has for me and I bet a few others.

CHECK OUT THIS LINK

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This was posted by SWR
Thanks for providing that eBay link. I also found a eBay seller in the UK selling these fantasy coins.

CHECK OUT THIS LINK
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Good luck....I will look forward to the Granada Mint info they are providing you.

One day maybe we can sit and drink a beer together and hash over this more, but until that day, I'm done with those coins.

Trez

 

[Peg Leg]

Trez,
You just could not leave without one last dig could you?
You could not tell EVEYONE that the coins you found being offered on Ebay is a REPLICA of a Philip II.
If anyone can tell me what a REPLICA means THAT IS ANY DIFFERENT from what I understand it means then feel free to comment. To me it means A COPY of the original.
Now if a REPLICA is a copy of the original does this not mean that there had to be an ORGINAL?
The REPLICA is a Gold Plated version and my coins are SOLID 22 K GOLD.
Yes some day we may sit and have a cup of coffee-I do not drink beer. I am a diabetic.
I turned 70 yesterday but am still going strong. So if anyone thinks I will cut and run think again.
Have a great day I sure plan on it.
Peg Leg

 

[Peg Leg]

SWR,
Did you read everything concernig this REPLICA COIN?
I HAVE ASKED THIS SELLER WHERE THE ORGINAL WAS HOUSED.
Yesterday I received an Email from the Historical Society in Granada Spain requesting that if possible could I send them an actual coin.
I plan on doing this within the next 2 weeks.
I sent them a photo scan of the coin the first of last week. They seemd not surprised at the coin and made no comment one way or the other.
I did get an email from SEDWICK in Orlando and he said that he thought the coin was fake. He said that the coin was to perfect and was to small for the weight. Here I take issue with Mr. Sedwick. One coin is 15/16" across and the other is 7/8" across. This is NOT a cobbed gold coin and is within the range of a gold coin of this size. He also said the coin was TO FLAT. He was able to tell all this from a scan that a member from this forum had sent to him-(GUESS WHO)
I am sticking to my WHOLE story.
I will abbid by what the people in Spain have to say GOOD or BAD.
I have laid everything out for all to see and I have nothing to hide.
But I WILL NOT HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO SAY ABOUT MY GOLD COINS UNTIL I HEAR FROM THE REAL EXPERTS.
Peg Leg

 

[Trez]

He was able to tell all this from a scan that a member from this forum had sent to him-(GUESS WHO)

Peg,
I was not the member who sent it.
I give you my word.

Trez