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Found in a Football Field...What Are They?

How many people think these are Gong gi stones

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Nope. Netball same as basketball but played only by girls (I think).

Daryl
 

Photo's are correct now.
 

justgeese said:
BioProfessor said:
It matches a Netball logo ball and some say that it the reverse on the nuts - a person shooting in netball.

Daryl
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I thought the ball in the center of the top pic of the new pics was a volleyball...the net ball/basketball is in the bottom pic???
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Ball in the center is a volleyball. Ball next to it a basketball. How come just because some Asian game with similar looking shapes has got everyone tunnel visioned into thinking that this is what they are? Just because there is a yin yang or whatever symbol in one of the zeros, now we are making the other zero into an abstact lotus flower. Tunnel vision has set in and there is as little proof of that as there is to when we first started. Sure there is research that shows those games where held over there, but that is it. These things can't be any older than 2002. Professor, I know you say that everything written you have seen on these games that were held over there are written in English, but I'll bet that if you were on a computer or advertisement over there, it would be in their language. A lot of hard work and research has gone into finding out what these really are. Now is not the time to get tunnel vision or start guessing because it is a way out. In all truthfullness, we are no closer today as to knowing what they are as when we started. Not one shred of proof of anything has been found yet. Only similarities.
 

When I say the writing is in English, I am referring to things like "World Cup" as being in English. "World Cup," the Olympic rings, and maybe some of the other things are copyrighted and registered. They have to be used as is. You won't see official material written any other way that the registered trademark. So anything produced anywhere in the world that says "World Cup" will have it written that way and not in any other language.

I don't think we have tunnel vision when it comes to saying what they are. The items shown as "Jack Stones" are exactly the same shape. Octagonal and capped on each end. They are exactly the same. Can't be coincidence.

Daryl
 

We are back to the ball of lead and the ball of gold. The similarities are too great to ignore, but they are two totally different things, used for two totally different purposes. The only similarity is the shape. I am going back to find the missing end piece this evening. That piece if found could be a clue that would blow this whole Asian thing away. Similar shapes do not make things the same in general.
 

As much as I hate to, I have to agree with you pigman. They are similar but not enough evidence to prove anything yet. The asian symbols in the zero's is a good clue but we can't find anything to back that up yet. I want to see this mystery solved as much as anyone but I am not going to settle for close.

Charlie
 

BioProfessor said:
When I say the writing is in English, I am referring to things like "World Cup" as being in English. "World Cup," the Olympic rings, and maybe some of the other things are copyrighted and registered. They have to be used as is. You won't see official material written any other way that the registered trademark. So anything produced anywhere in the world that says "World Cup" will have it written that way and not in any other language.

I don't think we have tunnel vision when it comes to saying what they are. The items shown as "Jack Stones" are exactly the same shape. Octagonal and capped on each end. They are exactly the same. Can't be coincidence.

Daryl
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Registered trademark of Helzberg Diamonds. Printed in different languages for that country.
 

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Balls of lead and balls of lead are both balls. They can be used for the same thing. Nobody would argue that they are balls. If these things are the exact size and shape as a "Jack Stone," what else could they be? If you were to paint both of the sets black and put them out on a table, the presence of a logo and the weight would be all that is different. There would be no reason to not say they are all "Jack Stones." What they are made of or how much they weigh is not relevant as to what they are. It is relevant as to how they may be used (Maybe they can't be used in a game at all as they don't bounce or are too heavy, etc), or what you may do with them (collect only) but that doesn't change WHAT they are.

What is the trademark for the Helzberg diamonds? Trademarks are usually marks or symbols. If the "trademark" is different in different countries, it is not an international trademark. Helzberg.com says they only have stores in the US. Can't find an international site or logo. Some help please?

Daryl
 

Netball logo. Looks like the image on the nut to me.

Daryl
 

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Daryl, I coudn't find a web site but here is an 800 # if you want to call and ask them.

To locate a store near you, you may also call 800-435-9237 (800-HELZBERG).

Charlie
 

I don't know what I would ask them. They have 290 stores in the US and that's it. Don't know why any of these stores would have a different trademark?

Daryl
 

SWR said:
piggman1 said:
We are back to the ball of lead and the ball of gold. The similarities are too great to ignore, but they are two totally different things, used for two totally different purposes. The only similarity is the shape. I am going back to find the missing end piece this evening. That piece if found could be a clue that would blow this whole Asian thing away. Similar shapes do not make things the same in general.
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both the lead and gold are balls. The composition of the balls are irrelevant to the fact they are both balls.

Another analogy would be a copper bullet / lead bullet. They are both bullets, performing the same function.
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I agree, a bullet made of lead and one of copper are still bullets USED for the same thing, to be fired out of a gun as a projectile. Agreed, a ball of lead and one of gold are both balls. But gold is used for jewelry and items of value, where lead is not. The similarity stops at them being balls. The shape is the only thing that makes them the same.
Professor, I was just using that as an example. There are people in Asian countries that have no idea as to what American letters are. World Cup written in a newspaper or something else over there would have to be written in their language for them to even understand it. We need more pieces to this puzzle before we can actually put it together. I do agree, as with most people, it is part of a game. But actual proof as to what game remains unknown. All we have seen of this Asian game are the plastic pieces without any symbols on the ends. They used to be played with rocks, or whatever else they could find. How do we know that this was not just a random shape used to produce this modern version? We haven't even seen any other pieces of this game besides the ones this one company makes today. Shape doesn't explain it.
 

Daryl, I don't know what you would ask them either...lol. I would think if they had stores in other countries they would be easy to find.

Charlie
 

Volleyball design or logo. This is just one of many that I have found. Some have 6 lines and some have 9, and variations of all.
 

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I agree that Jack Stones have had different shapes and made of different stuff. Just by saying these are Jack Stones doesn't solve the mystery. It just is like saying they are balls. Just a label.

Now it gets weird. Piggman1 says Helzberg Diamonds is in different languages for different countries. This is the Helzberg corporate logo. Exactly the same for all stores.

But the little red button IS A HELZBERG DIAMOND promotional pin that was picked up as a neat item and reproduced all over the world in many languages (from Helzberg history website). For Pigmann1 to use Helzberg as an example and the pin to be from there is just too much.
 

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The volleyball logo has three sections, netball has 2 like the nut.

Daryl
 

6 sided volleyball symbol
 

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Everything is just so generic about these. Its hard to say what they mean until we have some actual proof of origin or more clues.
 

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