EB, hello, I was looking at your post and think that I know the area of the cave but know how protective you guys can be about some locations. There were two different sites that people made refferences to and as someone stated in another thread their was an article posted about digging into the site during the mid 1900s. Not sure which area you are speaking of and would like to talk about it a little in private if you can. [email protected]
Dutchman & government conspiracy Request
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Hal Croves
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johnmark29020,
You may want to invest some of your time reading through the many preserved newspapers from the Dutchman's time. Anyone who does this will see that the legend of the Dutchman is actually a composite of several individual stories. The correct names of the people that you are writing about can be found there also.
What is clear is that there were two people in the area, in the same time, with names that match the most accepted version of the legend. The question is... are they the same people associate with the Dutchman or not. As both men were well known to many of the first Phoenicians, I don't think that a switch would have been possible. But the events attributed to these two Germans... most were "switched". History becomes a little fuzzy in time, like memory. Its best to look at the first (earliest) accounts. Something that I find difficult to understand is why the Dutchman's headstone was never corrected?
The Dutchman was a U.S. citizen only if you follow H. Corbin's line of thinking on the topic, which is problematic.
You may want to invest some of your time reading through the many preserved newspapers from the Dutchman's time. Anyone who does this will see that the legend of the Dutchman is actually a composite of several individual stories. The correct names of the people that you are writing about can be found there also.
What is clear is that there were two people in the area, in the same time, with names that match the most accepted version of the legend. The question is... are they the same people associate with the Dutchman or not. As both men were well known to many of the first Phoenicians, I don't think that a switch would have been possible. But the events attributed to these two Germans... most were "switched". History becomes a little fuzzy in time, like memory. Its best to look at the first (earliest) accounts. Something that I find difficult to understand is why the Dutchman's headstone was never corrected?
The Dutchman was a U.S. citizen only if you follow H. Corbin's line of thinking on the topic, which is problematic.
johnmark29020
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I have been reading,and everthing ive read so far says he was a citizen.
As far as their names being correct. Im only using the ones ive seen so far. Misspelled maybe. Haha. I also have been reading posts on this site.
Very difficult to get good information with all of the fighting, if you have good info. I would love to read it. So far with the help of google i have found a couple of interesting things. Im not a gold hunter. I could careless about it. I do love a mistery. Especially one that has a fellow german acting odd.
Waltz, weizer could be the same person for all that i know at this point,but im not ruling anything out.
I do know that he spoke with a level of high intelligence way above the average person of his day. Thanks for the info.
As far as their names being correct. Im only using the ones ive seen so far. Misspelled maybe. Haha. I also have been reading posts on this site.
Very difficult to get good information with all of the fighting, if you have good info. I would love to read it. So far with the help of google i have found a couple of interesting things. Im not a gold hunter. I could careless about it. I do love a mistery. Especially one that has a fellow german acting odd.
Waltz, weizer could be the same person for all that i know at this point,but im not ruling anything out.
I do know that he spoke with a level of high intelligence way above the average person of his day. Thanks for the info.
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Hal Croves
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johnmark29020
Lat/Long: 33.41538N -111.54914W is a good place to find the "correct" & "corrected" name, but it opens even more questions.
...or http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/dd5_ZjLqY6Bw0jQAURuyOQ if'n you are geographically challenged like so many of us.
The next step is to explain what you find... the change. I would not mind reading yours or any other ideas on what you find. Almost seems as if the legend can be shaped, which is what I was trying to explain in my last post about "switching". It is frustrating as hell for the researcher, armchair or other.
Lat/Long: 33.41538N -111.54914W is a good place to find the "correct" & "corrected" name, but it opens even more questions.
...or http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/dd5_ZjLqY6Bw0jQAURuyOQ if'n you are geographically challenged like so many of us.
The next step is to explain what you find... the change. I would not mind reading yours or any other ideas on what you find. Almost seems as if the legend can be shaped, which is what I was trying to explain in my last post about "switching". It is frustrating as hell for the researcher, armchair or other.
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...however some of the stories are surprisingly true. Ice cream in Phoenix?
Barney Barnard would have fallen off his tall horse had he found this advertisement in the AZR.
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Barney B. also claimed that the Dutchman drank Luke beer.
It just may be true.
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Barney Barnard would have fallen off his tall horse had he found this advertisement in the AZR.
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Barney B. also claimed that the Dutchman drank Luke beer.
It just may be true.
AZM1881
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Did you ever ask if the group was being lead by someone in Jacob Waltz sisters family or not
You do remember that he had a sister in Germany....right!!!
You do remember that he had a sister in Germany....right!!!
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Its funny you mentioning his sister.
I was tracking down the family in Germany. No luck so far. When i found out that the peralta family has a branch with the last name german. This branch started around the time of jacob waltz. Not sure if it means anything yet. I just found it curious. Possible family tie. I also put the numbers from the peralta stones in google inorder to find out what kind of math they were using. Goog l e said they were nautical numbers used for navigation,and it showed docs from the 1800s time period. Do any of you guys know how a miner would use nautical numbers to lay out mine on dry. Lland. If you do,and could tell me i would be greatful..
I was tracking down the family in Germany. No luck so far. When i found out that the peralta family has a branch with the last name german. This branch started around the time of jacob waltz. Not sure if it means anything yet. I just found it curious. Possible family tie. I also put the numbers from the peralta stones in google inorder to find out what kind of math they were using. Goog l e said they were nautical numbers used for navigation,and it showed docs from the 1800s time period. Do any of you guys know how a miner would use nautical numbers to lay out mine on dry. Lland. If you do,and could tell me i would be greatful..
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In the pictures..is that not a Bounty Hunter Lone Star MD?
When did they first start making those?
Also is it me or is the guy not holding up two cores samples.
When did they first start making those?
Also is it me or is the guy not holding up two cores samples.
Hal Croves
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johnmark29029
Sorry to make this question about the stone maps, however I find your last post very curious. "Google said they were nautical numbers used for navigation, and it showed docs from the 1800s time period." Would you mind (via PM or here) sharing exactly what numbers you entered into the Google search engine and the results... (more specifics). It is an important observation and while I no longer write about the stone maps openly, I would enjoy reading a thread dedicated to the topic of nautical navigation and the stone maps. The topic has been touched on here in the past, but I feel that it would make for one great conversation. It may also open a few eyes.
Thanks!
Sorry to make this question about the stone maps, however I find your last post very curious. "Google said they were nautical numbers used for navigation, and it showed docs from the 1800s time period." Would you mind (via PM or here) sharing exactly what numbers you entered into the Google search engine and the results... (more specifics). It is an important observation and while I no longer write about the stone maps openly, I would enjoy reading a thread dedicated to the topic of nautical navigation and the stone maps. The topic has been touched on here in the past, but I feel that it would make for one great conversation. It may also open a few eyes.
Thanks!
Ellie Baba
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Hal,
This is an important topic as I had discussed this subject matter quite some time ago. I too am interested in the Google anomaly.
Ellie Baba
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Hal Croves
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Ellie,
Yes, I remember. The Google anomaly is something that should raise a few flags for anyone researching the stones maps. It helps to narrow the list of possibilities if indeed this is more than coincidence. I would encourage you or johnmark29029 to begin a new thread dedicated to this specific topic. Who knows, the conversation may lead to the name of the perfectionist who carved the stones.
johnmark29029,
Before you spend more of your time researching the Dutchman's family in Germany, I would suggest that you spend more time looking into his true identity. Find the correct name (spelling) and then do your search. The Dutchman had family in the United States and information on them is readily available with some work. I am amazed that the change in Dutchman's name has not been explained or even challenged here. Many knowledgeable people write about the Dutchman, but in doing so, they perpetuate a name that is obviously incorrect. But why?
Lets just see if any of the "experts" reading this thread can offer an explanation of the name change. Yes, that is a challenge.
Yes, I remember. The Google anomaly is something that should raise a few flags for anyone researching the stones maps. It helps to narrow the list of possibilities if indeed this is more than coincidence. I would encourage you or johnmark29029 to begin a new thread dedicated to this specific topic. Who knows, the conversation may lead to the name of the perfectionist who carved the stones.
johnmark29029,
Before you spend more of your time researching the Dutchman's family in Germany, I would suggest that you spend more time looking into his true identity. Find the correct name (spelling) and then do your search. The Dutchman had family in the United States and information on them is readily available with some work. I am amazed that the change in Dutchman's name has not been explained or even challenged here. Many knowledgeable people write about the Dutchman, but in doing so, they perpetuate a name that is obviously incorrect. But why?
Lets just see if any of the "experts" reading this thread can offer an explanation of the name change. Yes, that is a challenge.
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johnmark29020
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The numbers were 2=3-0-18=7
I typed them into goggle and got nautical pages from the 1800s. I couldnt make much out of the info,but i did notice the symbol for the sun looked just like one of the symbols on the stone maps. Its the circle in a circle. The so called mine symbol. I also noticed that the mine symbol was on the stone in a few places at different elevations. Kind of like the track of the sun across the sky. Maybe to help determine the correct positon of the map.
Ofcourse this could just be a coincidence. I just dont know.
A new friend of mine shared his opion of those numbers and it sounds like it could be right.
What do you guys think.
I typed them into goggle and got nautical pages from the 1800s. I couldnt make much out of the info,but i did notice the symbol for the sun looked just like one of the symbols on the stone maps. Its the circle in a circle. The so called mine symbol. I also noticed that the mine symbol was on the stone in a few places at different elevations. Kind of like the track of the sun across the sky. Maybe to help determine the correct positon of the map.
Ofcourse this could just be a coincidence. I just dont know.
A new friend of mine shared his opion of those numbers and it sounds like it could be right.
What do you guys think.
Hal Croves
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johnmark29020
I repeated the Google experiment with these numbers and did not get the results you posted. I am wondering if you would provide one example (link) to the "nautical pages from the 1800" that you are describing. Thanks!
I repeated the Google experiment with these numbers and did not get the results you posted. I am wondering if you would provide one example (link) to the "nautical pages from the 1800" that you are describing. Thanks!
Ellie Baba
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I ran into same situation Hal...a link would be nice.
Ellie B
Ellie B
wrmickel1
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Johnmark'
Its a sun symbol, But not a symbol for the sun, its meaning is Sun,Time,Light, "OPENING"
At a certian time the shadow from the sun will reviel the opening. Like the setting sun shines on my gold.
wrmickel1
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Hal Croves
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Just to be clear, the "sun symbol" that I believe you are describing is represented by a dot, centered in an open circle. Three examples are represented on the horse stone. To the best of my knowledge the symbol represented in the formula 2=3... as described by johnmark29029 is not a "sun symbol".
johnmark29029
Thank you for the link.
Just to be clear, the "sun symbol" that I believe you are describing is represented by a dot, centered in an open circle. Three examples are represented on the horse stone. To the best of my knowledge the symbol represented in the formula 2=3... as described by johnmark29029 is not a "sun symbol".
johnmark29029
Thank you for the link.
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johnmark29020
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Im sorry for the confusion. I didnt mean that the sun symbol was part of the number itself. Only that it was similar to the circle in a circle thats on the stone itself. Im not even sure they are the same. I. Was supried when google sent me to natical info pages. I just didnt understand how or why a miner would use nautical marks. Im still new at all of this,and im still learning. Thanks
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cactusjumper
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Well, you have two of the meanings, but you left out God. Just being politically correct......I assume.
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