Dutchman & government conspiracy Request

Dirty Dutchman said:
Curious to know what parking lot you were in because I've parked in all of them, and cell service is almost nonexistent... Accept at First Water, and it's minimal at best there. And I have Verizon, which has the best coverage in the valley.

Thanks
Travis
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Travis - I assume the poster is talking about the small parking area with a trail that leads into Heiroglyphic Canyon - it's in a residential area and I know I had cell phone service there last time in the area.
 

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yes it is in a residential area of gold canyon. it is the trail to hieroglyphic canyon. i was told this woman supposedly also did hang gliding in la barge canyon and there was info on that at this treasure forum. but i did not realize there was 24 pages of post to read through. i thought someone here would know the story and gicve me the short version. this woman is suppose to be the woman who started this "dutchman government conspiracy request" post at this forum. or is a woman some of the posts are about. i am confussed on this particular point. one of them, or both, if they are the same woman, is a german, and was in the military as a marksman or something like that. and she know someone going by the name of big dreamer who saw emaory taylor and rick gwynne in germany at some time in the past. and these guys are involved with a secret society having to do with the sale of some sacred stones. if any of this is true i don't know. but i swear i saw a person hang gliding in hieroglyphic caynon near dark, and the only person who came out was a woman speaking german. i do not knowm about the la barge story but supposedly this same woman was hang gliding there just before three guys from nevada were killed and then found by rigk gwynne. so i think it is the same woman and now something is going on at hieroglyphic canyon involving all these same people. rick gwynne, emory taylor alin tree, bill johnson, and this german woman. it's making me wonder if we will soon hear about hikers disappearing near hieroglyphic canyon and there bodies being found. you know, just like last time when all these same people were involved out at la barge canyon and then those three hikers from nevada disappeared and were found dead. i was told rigk gwynne got a map those guys werre using
 

Too bad that woman would now fall under Obamas forced dream act as even criminals get to stay here...cause as far as I'm concerned she can just hand glide right back to Germany. What's up with those Germans always wanting supernatural power anyway :-)
 

bill johnson ... that's the guy who wrote spirits in the mountains ... yes? the first part of his book is about the spiral staircase isn't it? i think it is. so he must know something and that's why emory atylor and rick gwynne brought him in on this deal ... whatever it is. so there is definately something going on and these guys are all involved in it. i was told those german holy stones are like a national treasure of southern germany and went missing back in the 1200s. they could be worth a fortune. i'm not sure why anyone thinks they are here in the superstitions and why the spiral staircase? but it must be serious stuff to bring that woman all the way from germany.
 

I want a "talking rock" that'll tell them Jehovah Witness folks to get off my front porch.
 

I found this info about the black stones and the men associated with them.

The gentlemen of the Black Stone

Founding
After the Templars Hubertus Koch 1226 statement, and various
manifestations of the essence of Jesse and his acolytes had received
on the lower mountain, was from 1227 or 1228 the independence of the
Knight Commander of the crowd to cook inside the Temple Knights.
Remained purely formal affiliation with the Templar Order. A few years
later - it is not sure exactly when - they called the community "The
Men from the Black Stone" (DHvSS). However, this should have after the
handover of the magic black-purple (indigo) stone held by the entity
of Jesse. The community around the Commendatore Koch - "The Men from
the Black Stone" - was probably never large number of moderate and won
well but, out of a sense of stillness, some influence within the
Templar Order. Even the religious clothing has changed. Instead of the
white coats were black (indigo-meaning) was introduced with white
rimmed red thorn crosses (Knights Templar crosses along the lines of
the cross-Marcionites) on it. Around this time, probably even their
own religious flag was created. They showed a silver (white) "Jesse
flash" on black and purple background. This community would not have
been relatively soon shattered by the Inquisition, they would probably
have accepted a new order again in the symbolism of clothing and
colors of Jesse. In addition, a special award was created that showed
a double eagle with the Jesse crest on the chest. Probably a
symbolisation of entitlement to the German-Roman Empire in the
upcoming "new golden age."

Distribution
There were no supporters just across the German and Austrian, but also
in eastern and northern France, in England, Scotland and Ireland, in
south Norway and Sweden, in Genoa and Venice as well as occasionally
in the East and the Caucasus, probably in Georgia and Armenia.
Finally, there were some points on the island of Cyprus.

Tasks
The central mystery of the communion of the Black Stone was a powerful
black magic purple stone that had the essence of Jesse handed her
knights with instructions to him to hide in the massif of the lower
mountain. From there to the stone (or crystal) to the legality of the
affinity of vibrations of the "Ilu-ray" the new golden era: tighten
and thus have the effect that from this point, the new, bright
millennial kingdom of peace rising. The target was a renewal of the
German-Roman Empire in today's present. Here comes full circle to
Christianity, because after early Christian Marcionite traditions,
Christ Germanic legionaries, who were in Roman service in Palestine,
listening to his words revealed, her people would be that the fruits
of the kingdom bring God on earth will (see to clear traces in the New
Testament in Matthew 21.43). Besides the "Black Stone" brought the
goddess of Jesse are two other important objects. First there is the
mirror of Istara. It gives the ability to look through this
life-beyond limit. About it, they brought the tip of the spear Wodin,
which was reworked into a dagger. It gives the ability to pass through
this world-beyond limit. In addition, this motif interacts with the
obvious "holy lance" of Longius that are part of the German Emperor's
treasury. Jesse also gave the Knights the long hair she had cut
himself. This is wrapped in the black stone. After a magical view to
hair as "antennae" are considered to receive and send assets. All this
together means the strength of pioneering activities in the new world
age (the water jug / Age of Aquarius) and the power to direct the
affairs of this world.


Hubertus Koch led to the most outstanding members of the community,
the awarding of the ancient Akkadian Adlestitels "Kyan" (Kuan) one,
together with the female form "Kyan". The removal of this religious
community of faith, rules and traditions of Christian knights had been
gradually increasing. Anyway, the Christian aspect had long faded into
the background. While Christ was recognized by the highest God and
"Father of all life", but the immediate world of faith would soon have
been fully and completely aligned to be Jesse.

Fate
It can be found after about 1240 no-slip traces of the "community of
black stone" more, as they called themselves the Order with the
inclusion of female members also last. Probably when the men from the
Black Stone later on in the community of heirs of the Templars and /
or in other secret societies of Jesse and exist to this day.

See this website
http://thuletempel.org/wiki/index.php/DHvSS
 

I was wondering how it is people in Germasny know anything about the suoperstition mountains. well, according to kollenborn the Germans made a film about the superstitions and the Peralta gold way back in 1990, and Hank Sheffer, Bob Ward and himself were in the film telling the stories of the superstitions especially the Peralta story and the Dutchman story. And this film is often shown on TV in Germany over the years. So the Germans are not ignorent of the treasure stories and legends here in the supers.
 

water said:
I was wondering how it is people in Germasny know anything about the suoperstition mountains. well, according to kollenborn the Germans made a film about the superstitions and the Peralta gold way back in 1990, and Hank Sheffer, Bob Ward and himself were in the film telling the stories of the superstitions especially the Peralta story and the Dutchman story. And this film is often shown on TV in Germany over the years. So the Germans are not ignorent of the treasure stories and legends here in the supers.
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Can't confirm but I heard that some of them might have computers and internet connections.
 

i contacted taylor from his website and told him about seeing who i thought was kristy ann knutsorn. he was aware she was in town because she had again contacted him. and ask some questions about bob ward and tom kollemborn. but would not say what questions she had asked. he seems to think she will be at the rendezvous at don's camp this year. he wouldn't say why. i indicated may be she wants to ask the rest of us some questions. he didn't think so. said she wouldn't waist her time with us guys. he said we would throw away mona lisa because it was not signed by a peralta or the dutchman, and that she knows this about us guys. i asked him what he meant by that crack and he said we are not smart enough to know that treasure means different things to different peopl, and we think it only means peralta or dutchman stuff, and she knows that about us so she isn't one bit interested in anything we have to say. so i asks why is she asking about bob ward and tom kollenborn then if thats true. he said because they were smart enought to know that treasure is a lot of different things. i asked him what he's up to at the spiral staircase and he said nothing. anyways that german woman is here and will be at the rendezvous for some reason other than to talk to any of us guys. so talyor says.
 

water said:
i contacted taylor from his website and told him about seeing who i thought was kristy ann knutsorn. he was aware she was in town because she had again contacted him. and ask some questions about bob ward and tom kollemborn. but would not say what questions she had asked. he seems to think she will be at the rendezvous at don's camp this year. he wouldn't say why. i indicated may be she wants to ask the rest of us some questions. he didn't think so. said she wouldn't waist her time with us guys. he said we would throw away mona lisa because it was not signed by a peralta or the dutchman, and that she knows this about us guys. i asked him what he meant by that crack and he said we are not smart enough to know that treasure means different things to different peopl, and we think it only means peralta or dutchman stuff, and she knows that about us so she isn't one bit interested in anything we have to say. so i asks why is she asking about bob ward and tom kollenborn then if thats true. he said because they were smart enought to know that treasure is a lot of different things. i asked him what he's up to at the spiral staircase and he said nothing. anyways that german woman is here and will be at the rendezvous for some reason other than to talk to any of us guys. so talyor says.
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Interesting - I don't usually put much stock in anyone who makes wide generalizations about people they don't know...

we are not smart enough to know that treasure means different things to different peopl, and we think it only means peralta or dutchman stuff
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There are lots of different people at the Rendezvous and it's not possible to know what everyone believes or doesn't believe.

Why anyone would spend time coming to a get together like that if they have no interest in listening to anything anyone says is beyond me, but as long as folks are civil, anyone is always welcome.
 

Paul,

Can't help but wonder if this is not some kind of effort to give some weight to Kurt's German artifact, found in a worthless hole in the ground. Well......maybe not so worthless after all. He did find that German hilt in there......didn't he? Who do you suppose "water" is affiliated with?

Of course, anything is possible, so maybe they will find Hitler's Blondie in there.
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Glad to see you standing up to the "not so" veiled threats over on DUSA. I found out a
long time ago, it don't pay to remain silent.


Take care,

Joe
 

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i got an angery email from mr talyor. he said i misquoted him and he wanted it corrected or he'd do it himself. he told me "He was not conducting any projects at the spiral staircase." i just took that to mean nothing so i said he said nothing. i don't see what the difference is. also he said "he was sure knutsorn would be here for the rendezvous." he didn't say she would be at the don's camp. well since the rendezvous is held at don's camp i just took his statement to mean she would be at the don's camp. again, i don't see what the difference is. he also told me knutsorn had offered him $25,000 to answer 5 questions about bob ward and tom kollenborn. i never said nothing about it because why should i tell everyone when i followed my own leads and discovered it on my own. but as taylor said he'd post it here, guess there's no reason to keep it a secret any longer. he also said he believed "knutsorn is going to speak to rick gwynne and bill johnson during the rendezvous to see if they will accept her offer." ok, so there it is. she believes she is onto something worth a lot of money. obviously more than $25,000 because she is willing to pay $25,000 to get the info. she clearly thinks bob ward and tom kollenborn both know something but didn't get it figured out. i get the idea that she's figured something out and needs to know what they knew in order to complete it. also from reading some of the post here about taylor and gwynne finding certain items and then locking them up in a safety deposit box, she knows taylor, gwynne, and johnson are onto something and it has to do with hieroglyphic canyon and if they get it first they intend to lock it up in the safety deposit too. they are all involved in some kind of new world order sh@% and are making some deal with the illuminati and neo nazis. so whatever amount they are being paid is all under the table, secret you know. so they aren't intrested in making their discoveries public. these are bad guys up to bad things if your asking me.
 

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