Dutchman & government conspiracy Request

[somehiker]

Re: Dutchman & government conspiracy Request

when you awake from your sleep and your heart stops ,, you may not think your so smart ... when you releize it starts again .. you may think twice before you talk like that to me again .. then again who says it will start again .. i dont have that power remember ... dont eat, drink or sleep from the mts .. if you need to eat drink or sleep dont do it there ....dont get your food from there ,dont get your water from there .. and joe if i need your opioion . LOL ok i really dont need it .. your right ...

you dont realize whats going on yet .. this is a site a secert place .. you are comeing into their world , their realities .. you think you know so much .. you will find out you dont know as much as you think you do ... these are not just shaman . they have been there for thousands of years and they are still there .. go ahead make one misteak .. it will be your last ..

they watch the site night and day

dont sleep near it

dont be near it after dusk

dont go there at night

dont step into the shadows

dont eat when you are near the caves ..

dont turn your back to the shadows

dont drink from the well

they can smeel food for yards of yards around the caves ...

they want you to walk right in ... dont be fooled by the tricksters

it takes one to know one ...

good luck your going to need it ...

the can hear your heart beat and sence it from a few hunderd ft away .. you have no idea who and what they are ... there are thousands of miles of catacums if you enter you will never leave .. they will make sure of it ...except defeet and walk away why you still can ..


I will not go back in the caves again ...you can only enter alone .

you can not beat the odds .. i could not and nether will you . if we ever see you again ...

go ahead you want make fun and jokes ... i can take you to the caves enterence ,but i will not take you in ...you make your own fate .... there is a lot your world dose not under stand .. i can only hope your smart enough to under stand that before you go in to the 7 caves .....

if you enter you will welcome death before you value your own life ...


i have told you what i know ..


why is there very little food in the area .. where do they get their water ..

what do they eat ...

LOL go head you'll find out ...

"what do they eat ...

LOL go head you'll find out ... "


OH NO.......................NOT

ZOMBIES

 

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[trailman]

Well it seems to have been awhile since anyone posted anything serious to this thread, but if anyone is interested in knowing additional info about the black and purple holy stones you should check out the raido show interview Emory Taylor did last year with Dr. Desalvo on Mysterious Realms at
Mysterious Realms Archives
Also, Emory Taylor will be doing another radio show interview Saturday the 28 at
Dr. John Radio
Also, I was told the corporation Holy Stone Inc will soon be selling stock to raise 1 million, and that some secret deal with a german secoret society has been made to control the market for holy stones.

 

[cactusjumper]

Well it seems to have been awhile since anyone posted anything serious to this thread, but if anyone is interested in knowing additional info about the black and purple holy stones you should check out the raido show interview Emory Taylor did last year with Dr. Desalvo on Mysterious Realms at
Mysterious Realms Archives
Also, Emory Taylor will be doing another radio show interview Saturday the 28 at
Dr. John Radio
Also, I was told the corporation Holy Stone Inc will soon be selling stock to raise 1 million, and that some secret deal with a german secoret society has been made to control the market for holy stones.

Trailman,

Sounds fascinating! Where do we send our money

Joe Ribaudo

 

[Cubfan64]

Trailman,

Sounds fascinating! Where do we send our money

Joe Ribaudo

You first Joe - let me know what kind of return you get on your investment

 

[MrLee]

I can't believe this epic thread ended with a wimper, instead of a bang.

 

[somehiker]

I can't believe this epic thread ended with a wimper, instead of a bang.

Don't think them holy stones are any good for blowin things up.
If some secret german society wants to control the market on 40 pounds of vibrating rocks,
why does "Holy Stone Inc" need a million bucks ?

Who they (the SGS) gonna sell them to ?
Pinky and the Brain ?

 

[natchitoches]

this is who in the catacums
and who is eatting the people
info on little people in the usa
The Little People of Wyoming and the Pedro Mountains Mummy

http://www.israelite.info/commentary...anindians.html

about 1/3 the way down
lol

 

[trailman]

I did some asking about. It is not the holy stones that are for sale. They are using them to create what's called para-natural induced objects which they then sale to people into occult, magic, spells and stuff like that. The holy stones radiate energy which can be absorbed by other objects ... induction. Then the object can be use by highly spiritual people to do their thing of spells, magic, etc. The corporation is slaing stock to put up a building to secure the holy stones and provide an area to do the induction process. And they are going to engage in mining precious metals. Rumor has it that's a cover for digging about for the primary holy stone. I was told they already made over 30 thousand dollars this year saling those para-natural induced objects. I am NOT into any occult, or magic, or paranormal bull CRAP! So I will not be investing. One of my friends says I'm STUPID! Of course he believes in bull CRAP like ghost and god and angles and other nonsense like that and he is going to invest in that company. BUT I AM NOT THAT STUPID! I will keep my money THANK YOU! I just think this is an interesting story having to do with the superstition mountains.

 

[Cubfan64]

I did some asking about. It is not the holy stones that are for sale. They are using them to create what's called para-natural induced objects which they then sale to people into occult, magic, spells and stuff like that. The holy stones radiate energy which can be absorbed by other objects ... induction. Then the object can be use by highly spiritual people to do their thing of spells, magic, etc. The corporation is slaing stock to put up a building to secure the holy stones and provide an area to do the induction process. And they are going to engage in mining precious metals. Rumor has it that's a cover for digging about for the primary holy stone. I was told they already made over 30 thousand dollars this year saling those para-natural induced objects. I am NOT into any occult, or magic, or paranormal bull CRAP! So I will not be investing. One of my friends says I'm STUPID! Of course he believes in bull CRAP like ghost and god and angles and other nonsense like that and he is going to invest in that company. BUT I AM NOT THAT STUPID! I will keep my money THANK YOU! I just think this is an interesting story having to do with the superstition mountains.

Interesting - although I do happen to believe in some of the things you don't, I wouldn't invest $0.02 in something like that either. I can assure you that it isn't the first time and it won't be the last time that people have been scammed by something related to the Superstition Mountains and it's "treasures." If you run across any news stories or have any other links related to the story, pass them along if you think of it - it's interesting, but that's about it to me

 

[somehiker]

trailman:

Sounds like these guys have simply found a niche market for a "product" which falls into the same category as Ouija Boards,Tarot Cards and Crystal Balls.
If they limit their activities to what is allowed by law,they should be able to make a few bucks...nothing wrong with that.
Some serious cash can be generated by selling rocks and other stuff...even on E-Bay.....Bolivian Amethyst Cluster - Points of Light
If however,they plan to engage in any clandestine mining of `precious metals` anywhere within the Superstitions,especially using funds generated from investors,they and said backers are gonna wind up in a whole lot of trouble.



Regards:SH.

 

[trailman]

This is from 1333-1.com

Knight’s Tale Edited By Emory Taylor

Part IX

Chapter Thirteen: Review, Conclusions, Final Note

According to Delmar Knight, Fred Dobbs, Paul Zellmer, and Chuck Crawford a UFO crashed some 20 million years ago at a site now referred to as the Spiral Staircase near what became known as Superstition Mountain and the Burns Ranch.

According to Delmar Knight and Fred Dobbs

in the 1940s, during World War II, a cylinder shaped UFO and a German bomber aircraft collided and crashed;
Nazis recovered the UFO parts and attempted reverse engineering;
at the end of the war the Americans captured the UFO parts, moved them to America and started their own reverse engineering project;
a man named Mogens Kiehn assisted the Americans in the capture of the UFO parts and worked for the CIA after the war ended.
According to Chuck Crawford, who was born on May 31, 1943, at the time of his birth UFOs hovered over the house where he was born, and he was later told he was the chosen one to find and decipher ancient scrolls and tablets about the true origins of man on earth. He learned from leaders of an Indian tribe about the government hiding something in underground caverns in the Superstition Mountains in Arizona.

According to the Arizona’s Pinal County Recorder’s Office, on June 29, 1943Henry and Helen Burns filed their first mining claims just east of Superstition Mountain on an area later known as the Burns Ranch.

According to Burt Morrison, Henry and Helen Burns started seeing UFOs at the Burns Ranch shortly after filing their first mining claims there; furthermore, they believed there was a UFO base near by.

According to Burt Morrison and Chuck Crawford the “near by” UFO base referred to by Henry and Helen Burns was the Spiral Staircase site.

According to Tom Kollenborn, a historian of the Superstition Mountains,

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when he visited with Henry and Helen Burns at the Burns Ranch in the 1950s they told him about the UFOs they had seen, and they even showed him some fuzzy pictures of the UFOs; furthermore, Helen claimed to have spoken to aliens.

According to Delmar Knight, partly using information by private investigator Gary L. Bartlett, in the Crawford biography,

in 1963, in Buffalo, New York, Chuck Crawford broke into offices covertly operated by the government, and stole some UFO files;
these UFO files supposedly included a file about the Nazi UFO which the Americans captured during WWII, and a file about the Spiral Staircase UFO crash where ancient scrolls and tablets were also discovered;
when Crawford was arrested, the government recovered all but one of the UFO files Crawford had stolen;
when Crawford was released from prison he moved to Arizona in 1970 to search for the ancient scrolls and tablets as he treasure hunted and prospected in the Superstition Mountains;
Crawford took the missing UFO file, in the form of microfilm, to Arizona;
Crawford’s son Michael Morrison, who lived with his father for awhile, found and read the UFO microfilm, and based a scientific theory on the UFO microfilm information;
after Crawford discovered his son (Michael Morrison) had found and read the UFO microfilm he kick him out;
Michael Morrison searched for the ancient scrolls and tablets with a historical researcher named Alan Tree, and later, without having found the scrolls and tablets, Morrison moved back to New York.
According to Delmar Knight and Fred Dobbs

from 1945 until 1985, with different teams of experts having worked on the UFO parts captured from the Nazis, the Americans had made little to no progress in figuring out exactly what the UFO parts did;
in 1985, at a facility in Grand Forks, North Dakota, a team composed of a former Nazi scientist named Otto Schwartz, former resistance fighter and current CIA operative named Mogens Kiehn, a physicist named Dr. Schwalm, a physicist named Dr. Larson, and

amateur astronomer-physicist named Emory Taylor were assigned to
the UFO parts project;
while a briefing was going on, Taylor trying an idea managed to turn on the UFO parts, and this resulted in a security guard vanishing;
Fred Dobbs, who worked as an investigator for the government at the time, was sent to investigate the incident to determine if any wrong doing had been involved;
when Dobbs determined there had not been any wrong doing the case concerning the incident (of the security guard vanishing) was closed;
disturbed by the case, Dobbs secretly and with out permission or authority continued to investigate the incident, but never came up with a satisfactory explanation for why the security guard vanished.
According to Delmar Knight and Fred Dobbs

in the 1990s, each, independent of the other, had become winter residents in Arizona, and taken up treasure hunting;
they crossed paths and met while treasure hunting in the Superstition Mountains;
in 1991, while together at the Peralta Trailhead to the Superstition Mountains, they saw several UFOs (which they later, in 1997, referred to as Phoenix Lights after the supposed Phoenix Lights UFO incident), one of which went down at the Burns Ranch;
they searched for the downed UFO at the Burns Ranch on several occasions but never found it;
government agent Emory Taylor (of the UFO parts project) arrived in Arizona and befriended Chuck Crawford shortly after the UFO (called a Phoenix Light) went down at the Burns Ranch.
According to Anne C. Rue

in 1998 she learned about the Burns Ranch from newspaper articles about the Burns Ranch treasures;
she did not hike the Burns Ranch because she always got the creepy feeling something was there watching and wanting to hurt her;
a man named Bob Scherer told her he saw the UFO (which was later referred to as a Phoenix Light) go down at the Burns Ranch;
from atop the Red Hill, looking down on the Burns Ranch, she saw Chuck Crawford and Emory Taylor loading ore into buckets and

loading the buckets into a truck as Bob Scherer secretly watched them.

According to Paul Zellmer

in 1998 he tried to get Chuck Crawford to joint venture with him in excavating the Spiral Staircase UFO site;
he sent Crawford a joint venture proposal with a history of past excavations of the Spiral Staircase UFO site, which included information by Tom Vann;
with the use of a metal rod, in the past it was discovered that someone had placed timbers over an opening at the bottom of the spiral staircase and then backfilled the site so as to conceal what was at the bottom of the spiral staircase;
one of the psychic readings Zellmar had done on the Spiral Staircase UFO site specifically state there was a space ship (aka a UFO) associated with the site;
Zellmar discovered a stone carving of what appeared to be a Mayan face, and a stone carving of what appeared to be a Caucasian face;
Zellmar believed the Spiral Staircase UFO site contained ancient scrolls and tablets;
Zellmer believes Chuck Crawford, without Zellmer’s authorization, went to the spiral staircase UFO site while he (Zellmer) was in Illinois, and that Crawford, during this unauthorized visit to the site, dug up and stole an object referred to as a precious stone medallion, which had mysterious, unknown writing engraved on it.
According to Alan Tree

he saw the precious stone medallion at Crawford’s house in 2006 during the time Crawford was divorcing his wife Darlene Rushton, and prior to the time Sharyn Berchok became Crawford’s caregiver and moved into his house, and this precious stone medallion, with the mysterious, unknown writing engraved on it, was never seen again.
According to Anne C. Rue

in the 2000s she secretly witnessed Emory Taylor and Alan Danicourt dig up a human skull and what she believed to be an alien skull at the Burns Ranch;

she believes Taylor murdered Danicourt because he knew too much.

According to Delmar Knight

Chuck Crawford was connected to a new energy group called Tesla Tech, possibly having to do with the UFO microfilm and the UFO propulsion system;
Emory Taylor succeeded in using Adult Protective Services to force Crawford out of his house, making Crawford move to his daughter Charlayne’s place in North Carolina, so he (Taylor) could search for the UFO microfilm;
Crawford secretly took the UFO microfilm and some other files with him to his daughter’s place;
Taylor then plotted with Crawford’s daughter (Charlayne Crawford), and Crawford’s wife (Darlene Rushton) to have Crawford locked up in a mental institution when he was at his daughter’s place in North Carolina;
when Crawford passed the psychological testing and returned to his home in Arizona, Charlayne Crawford was arrested, and Emory Taylor, after a meeting with Mogens Kiehn, flew to North Carolina and retrieved the UFO microfilm;
Taylor has been slowly dissimulating information learned from the UFO project in order to integrate it into our body of scientific knowledge without anyone knowing it is from a top secret UFO project;
part of the dissimulation is the publishing of physics papers (concerning scientific information learned from the UFO project) in an obscure physic journal published by Walter Babin in Canada;
the physics paper Delmar Knight considered most relevant is called “Relativistic Mass Increase Not Required”;
Emory Taylor and the other members of the team working the UFO project had discovered that the UFO equipment the Americans had captured from the Nazis was used to collapse space-time, thereby drawing distance places to it (the UFO equipment), so the UFO never actually traveled anywhere, but instead brought the destination to it by collapsing space-time;
Knight began referring to the UFO equipment as a “tele-collasper”;
Knight’s friend Fred Dobbs, told Knight that two UFO investigators, named Marlow and Johnson, who were investigating Emory Taylor

and the UFO project, were murdered by CIA operatives in Ireland;
Emory Taylor found the precious stone medallion with the strange, unknown writing engraved on it at Crawford’s house and he now has it and a copy of the UFO microfilm in a secret safety deposit box of a corporation called Holy Stones Incorporated, which was formed by him (Emory Taylor) and Rick Gwynne (a treasure hunter) as a front for a secret society named The Black Cross.
Conclusions

There are three (3) conclusions that can be drawn from the above information. Two of these conclusions are obvious, but the third conclusion will require knowing an additional piece of information.

Conclusion #1

It is obvious that Delmar Knight and his coauthors (see inside front cover for complete list) believe that the USA government and military is involved in UFO projects, and is involved in a cover-up concerning UFO information. Knight and his coauthors specifically cite three UFO cases: 1) the Nazi UFO equipment, and 2) the Spiral staircase UFO site, 3) the Phoenix Light at the Burns Ranch.

Conclusion #2

It is obvious that Delmar Knight and his coauthors (see inside front cover for complete list) believe that the USA government and military used a team of experts to develop a secret physics theory to collapse space-time, allowing instantaneous travel, which is obviously faster than the speed of light, and, through amateur astronomer-physicist Emory Taylor, is quietly dissimulating this information.

Conclusion #3

This conclusion requires that you know the following information.

Graham Hancock published a book called Fingerprints Of The Gods: the evidence of Earth’s lost civilization. Hancock believes in the long speculated Third Party Theory, which is that an as yet unidentified, highly advanced civilization had contact with the Mayan, Incas, Aztecs, Egyptians, Sumerians. Hancock also believes that faces carved in stone and found in pairs at Mayan

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sites, faces of a Negro and of a Caucasian, are of people from the highly advanced “Third Party” civilization.

Now recall a part of what Paul Zellmer said.

“But at least a camera was acquired and photos were taken. Believe it or not it wasn’t until then I first noticed the two stone faces carved out of rock. These stone faces were in the horizontal tunnel, positioned on the ceiling so that they looked down on everyone passing through the tunnel -- one on the right and one on the left. One man was white, the other looked to be Mayan (one rock was white the other was reddish-brown).”
Now recall a part of what Chuck Crawford believed.

Crawford was the chosen one who was to find and decipher ancient scrolls and tablets having to do with the true origins of mankind on Earth. Crawford believed the USA government was involved in a conspiracy to keep the ancient scrolls and tablets from him, and had hidden them in an underground cavern in the Superstition Mountains.
It now becomes clear that Delmar Knight and/or at least some of his coauthors believed the highly advance “Third Party” civilization were either aliens or an ancient people who had contact with aliens.

Final Note

Remember, Delmar Knight and some of his coauthors were treasure hunters who searched in the Superstition Mountains. What do you supposes they were looking for …ancient scrolls and tablets having to do with the true origins of mankind on Earth?

--- it is interesting stuff.

 

[somehiker]

trailman:

Anne C. Rue,who was mentioned in your account,also had some interest in another mountain
which has been said to contain a large treasure cache.
Although some stories claim the cave has been visited several times since the 1940's by an unknown group,
it has never been said that the cache has been completely removed.

"Remember, Delmar Knight and some of his coauthors were treasure hunters who searched in the Superstition Mountains.
What do you supposes they were looking for …ancient scrolls and tablets having to do with the true origins of mankind on Earth?"

Maybe they're looking in the wrong place ?

Regards:SH.

 

[MrLee]

"According to Delmar Knight and Fred Dobbs

in the 1940s, during World War II, a cylinder shaped UFO and a German bomber aircraft collided and crashed;
Nazis recovered the UFO parts and attempted reverse engineering;"

This always gets me, anyone with a simple understanding of technology and physics would know what is stated above is impossible. Any being with the technology for interstellar travel wouldn't be crashing, be it into man made objects or Earthly deserts. If they were having trouble, which interstellar travelers don't, otherwise they wouldn't be interstellar travelers, then everyone knows they would just hit the pause button, call the Intergalactic Handy Man to fix it then continue on their merry way. Nevermind the ants on planet Earth known as humans.

 

[Springfield]

"According to Delmar Knight and Fred Dobbs

in the 1940s, during World War II, a cylinder shaped UFO and a German bomber aircraft collided and crashed;
Nazis recovered the UFO parts and attempted reverse engineering;"

This always gets me, anyone with a simple understanding of technology and physics would know what is stated above is impossible. Any being with the technology for interstellar travel wouldn't be crashing, be it into man made objects or Earthly deserts. If they were having trouble, which interstellar travelers don't, otherwise they wouldn't be interstellar travelers, then everyone knows they would just hit the pause button, call the Intergalactic Handy Man to fix it then continue on their merry way. Nevermind the ants on planet Earth known as humans.

First, let me be clear - IMO, Knight and Dobbs are blatant frauds trying to link the LDM/Superstition legends with their own version of new age snake oil. Their motives? Trying to somehow separate gullible people and their money I presume.

That said, what if the '40's report, if valid, was not describing an 'interstellar' craft? For example, what if this vehicle was, say, a vimana, a flying craft which presumably was subject to the same physical restraints as today's products of 'technology and physics', since there seems to have been a lot of crashin' and burnin' with them too. You'd need to read the Mahabarata for more information. I guess you could argue that 5,000 years ago the Hindus were gaming the world with 'campfire stories', but I don't have any basis to make that judgement. The 'U' merely means 'unidentified'.

 

[Lemon]

Hulk hogan looking for coins :?

 

[water]

i was out to hieroglyphic trail about two weekends ago. i saw a strange site. it was near dark. there appeared to be a person flying about in the canyon using a hang glider. there was some type of equipment suspended from it. within minutes it was so dark i could not see it. i thought this strange and decided to camp just down the trail. i thought may be whoever this was using the hang glider might come along that night or next morning. i only saw one person come out early next morning. but it was a woman. i guess i just figured the person on the hang glider had to be a man. may be i was wrong about that guess. a few days later i told a firend about all this and he told me about this treasure forum and a story about a woman named kristy Ann Knutsorn. that's what he called her. said she is a german and involved in some conspiracy and murders involving rick gwynne and emory taylor. i heard this woman i saw talk on a cell phone as she came along the trail to the parking lot. she was speaking german. within a few minutes a white van with black windowns pulled up and she got in and they drove off. she did not have anything with her except a back pack. no hang glider or equipment. so if it was her then she left the hang glider and equipment up there somewhere. lik she is going to return. my friend did some asking around and found out emory taylor. rick gwynne, alin tree, and bill johnson and involved in a new project out in hieroglyphic canyon. so something is definately going on right now as we speak. DOES ANY ONE KNOW WHAT IT IS?

 

[Dirty Dutchman]

Curious to know what parking lot you were in because I've parked in all of them, and cell service is almost nonexistent... Accept at First Water, and it's minimal at best there. And I have Verizon, which has the best coverage in the valley.

Thanks
Travis

 

[dpdkld]

Are these people involved in a "new project" people we should be aware of? Im only asking because Ive never heard of them before.

 

[dpdkld]

Well after googling the names I did find a post on a german web blog by Emory Taylor in reference to Purple and Black Quartz stones. His email is provided at the end of the article so maybe someone can contact him directly and ask what they are up to in a "Wilderness Area"...Also a second hit came up on an article written by Emory Taylor and Rick Gwynne in the Territorial News (territorialnewspaper.com) about the same ranch and treasures. I couldn't download the pdf for some reason but maybe someone else can. Its vol.13 No.2 dated Aug 12th 2009.

The Black - Purple Stone
[SIZE=+1]13darkknights said...[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]My name is Emory Taylor and I am faced with an odd situation involving Prince Henry Senclair, the Zenos, the 1398 expedition, the Templar Treasure, spiritual/mystical enlightenment and the Holy Grail of the German Tradition, this being a stone, which according to a German legend is black and purple quartz, with the black on top of the purple. To explain requires my letter to be long, for which I apologies.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]I am the official biographer of Charles “Black Bart” Crawford. He was a prospector, miner, refiner, and treasure hunter in Arizona from 1970 until his death in 2007. I was also the curator of the Crawford Archive from 2005 until 2008 while the biography was being done. The Crawford biography is actually a trilogy of doc-u-books, called The Superstition Trilogy, and is free to the general public on the internet, http://www.trilogy.threethirteens.com/.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]A doc-u-book is a collection of documents with commentary by the editor --- in this case the documents are from the Crawford Archive, and the editor is me. Upon completing the biography I turned the Crawford Archive over to the Superstition Museum as had been requested by Crawford. In his will Crawford donated part of his estate to the Superstition Mountain Museum and Historical Society.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]For the third doc-u-book of the trilogy I transcribed a one hour and forty-five minute video tape Crawford made on July 4, 2002, and which he called “Champion Speaks Out Against The New World Order.” In the video, among other topics, Crawford tells the basics of his near death experience, which has to do with spiritual/mystical enlightenment and the odd situation I now face, and the reason I am contacting you.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]I know Crawford’s near death experience from personal conversations with him, and (of course) from the video. In the 1970s, during a trip in the Superstition Wilderness Area in the Sonoran Desert of Arizona, to his Cheryl Anne mining claims in the Upper La Barge Box, Crawford was traveling an ancient trail he had discovered. The Apache Indians were afraid of this ancient trail because it crossed what they called the Thunder Grounds, which is a place where they heard loud voices in a language they did not understand.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]Crawford had not brought along enough water and began to dehydrate in the desert heat. When he could not go on, and was giving up, positive he was going to die, he saw what he believed to be an Angel. This Angel guided Crawford to a pool of cold water with a Trout swimming in it. Of course the water saved his life.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]Crawford found a bar which he sometimes described as a black bar, and sometimes described as a black and purple bar. Crawford said voices, speaking in a strange language, emanated from the bar. He took the bar to his Cheryl Anne mining claims and buried it there. Crawford would then commune with God on his Deity mining claim, which is one of the claims collectively known as the Cheryl Anne claims. From these communions with God on the Deity claim, Crawford believed he received an ordainment from God, was God’s Messenger, that he was to find the hidden (or lost) scrolls and tablets, and was to bind the Superstition Wilderness Area as a safe haven for believers during the End Times, because there are underground dwellings there, and these underground dwelling connect to underground dwelling all over the earth, and he spoke of UFOs.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]In the video the only part of the story he left out was the finding of the bar. Crawford would, for whatever reason, only tell about the finding of the bar in privet conversations with those whom he trusted. Crawford was in possession of a quantity of a black and purple quartz. For whatever reason, he put the black and purple quartz in small cans, some of which were one quart Mobil Oil cans and small coffee cans, and hid them at his home and his Burns Ranch mining claims, called the Thank You claims, which are in the foothills of the Superstition Mountains.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]This is very odd … because … in a German Templar Tradition and Grail cycle the Holy Grail is not a cup but is instead a stone, the Holy Stone, and it is black and purple quartz on which writing appears and then disappears, and from which voices emanate. In the 1930s Otto Rahn was in southern France investigation Wolfram van Eschenbach’s poem Parzvial, which is one of the three epic poems of the German Grail Cycle. His guide, who was a descendent of the Cathars who had escaped the Albigensian Crusade by fleeing into what became Switzerland, showed Otto an ancient trail, going from Mount Montsegur to Mount Tabor, along which is a lake of dark waters called Lake of the Trout, which is the cradle of thunder. The guide, fearful, told Otto not to throw any stones into the lake because it would provoke a storm and lightening will destroy you.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]Of course it should be obvious that the similarities are striking: both Crawford’s story and Otto’s story involve an ancient trail, a place of thunder, people being afraid, and quartz that is black and purple. Crawford never spoke of the Knights Templar. What he did say was that a person had to be a High Spiritualist, an initiate of 72 degrees, to use the black and purple bar he found in order to commune with God. I have never head of a 72 degree initiate before or of a High Spiritualist. Crawford said the quartz had been used in a sex ritual to commune with the High Spirits, and this had been done starting in the 1200s through the 1500s when the ore was hidden.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]Prior to his death, Crawford sent me out to his Burns Ranch claims with what I call the Crawford Treasure Code, which is a bunch of scribblings, drawings, two foreign alphabets, and some words written is strange letters. He described the general place to go as he drew the treasure code. He wanted me to retrieve one of his hidden stashes. Before I could undertake this treasure hunting adventure, Crawford and I had a falling out, which of course we latter patched up.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]During the falling out period Crawford became gravely ill and was transported to a hospital, and after treatment was sent to a nursing home. Crawford never returned home. A friend and I undertook the treasure hunting adventure and found Crawford’s stash of black and purple quartz. I went to the nursing home and spoke to Crawford. He told me it was too late for him: death was coming and there was nothing that could be done, and that he had failed in his mission, in that he had not found the scrolls and tablets. He told me to keep the black and purple quartz.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]The Burns Ranch, where Crawford’s Thank You claims were located, and where the black and purple quartz was found, is said to be haunted. Old man Burns, who had been treasure hunting, mining silver, and trading with the Apache Indians, buried several treasure troves at his ranch. Burns died from wounds he received when he was ambushed transporting treasure to California. His partner took Burns back to the Burns ranch where old man Burns died from his wounds, but not until after he put a curse on the hidden treasure troves, because he thought his partner was in on the ambush, believing his partner wanted both Mrs. Helen Burns, and the treasures for himself.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]The partner, Louis Humphrey died of lymphoma, which has symptoms similar to those the curse was to cause. Humphrey got sick while at the Burns Ranch but died in a hospital. Helen Burns received two bullets to the head while at the Burns Ranch with infamous treasure hunter Robert “Crazy Jake” Jacob. She died at a hospital. Kary Ballard was shot dead on the Burns Ranch while there treasure hunting with Lloyd Sutton.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]As the Burns Ranch is said to be haunted and the treasure troves are said to be cursed, we, treasure hunter Rick Gwynne and I, undertook an investigation of the haunting and curse as part of the Crawford biography. Of course, we are not paranormal investigators so we contacted local paranormal groups to do the investigation. One group completed their investigation in March 2008. Their report declared that there is low level paranormal activity occurring at the Burns Ranch. Two of the paranormal investigators felt disorientated when handling the polished quartz. Only three of the quartz stones were polished. All the others are in the form of mineral ore.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]We decided to have some psychics handle the black and purple quartz and tell me their impressions. We contacted Holly Matthews. She was having a get-to-gather for psychics. We attended with the quartz and a couple of my friends. There were 54 psychics at the meeting. The following is a list of statements made by 17 of the psychics. We arranged their statements in categories.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]Journey[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]A journey and Merlin type beings associated with the quartz.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]Saw people, four men, carrying an ark like object with poles through rings. The quartz had been inside the ark like object.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]The quartz was originally transported in a leather or canvas bag.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]from some where else[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]from some where else[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]Near by[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]Something like a pot of gold, a treasure, is located near by where the quartz was found, as is a underground passage.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]Felt something was deep in the ground near the place of the quartz.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]near the place it was found there is an underground passage, and a portal or transportation spot of some kind[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]Place where found[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]a deterrent there to prevent discovery.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]something was wrong in the place of the quartz and the place needed to be cleared.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]Used for ritual[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]People of a secret sect use the quartz for an inner journey, an explosive instance of awareness.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]people had used it to interact with it[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]they did a ritual around it[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]used in a ritual involving pain, a lot of pain[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]Energy[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]a lot of energy[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]felt scared energy[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]felt strong as the Sun[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]extreme energy[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]Physical feeling[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]causing her finger tips to tingle[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]caused her shake[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]caused vibration, energy in her solar plexus[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]felt hot, extremely hot[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]felt warm[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]Cursed[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]It is cursed[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]it was cursed[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]Bad things associated[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]linked to the dark side and[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]from the deep, dark side[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]big problems are associated with it[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]murder was associated with it[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]evil is associated with it[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]evil[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]Deliberately hidden[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]had been deliberately hidden to keep it away from people because something evil is attached to it[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]someone had been digging up the quartz, because it had been put away, hidden on purpose[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]Get rid of it[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]should be gotten rid of[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]should be gotten rid of[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]Did not touch[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]immediately put the quartz down [would not pick it back up][/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]refused to touch it[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]did not want to touch anything[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]Two statements did not fit into a category[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]The quartz had something to do with Jesus.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]The quartz formed over different time periods. The purple when wonderful things happened. The black when bad things happened.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]The polished quartz was altered in that the black quartz had been removed and the purple quartz had been polished. Only three psychics commented about the polished quartz. Two of them picked up on the alteration saying[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]The polished quartz was not very strong …[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]The polished quartz is much more subtle than the unpolished quartz.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]In the 1970s Crawford found the so-called 1568 Jesuit Stone in Bark’s Draw, which is just inside the Superstition Wilderness Area from the Peralta Trailhead. On February 10, 1981 Crawford loaned the so-called 1568 Jesuit Stone to the Central Arizona Museum of History. We have a copy of this document. He thought it was a marker to a treasure.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]For whatever reason he thought it was a Jesuit treasure. He contacted the Jesuit Society in Tucson, Arizona by telephone. He wanted to excavate the treasure under the Jesuit auspice. According to a letter by Rev. Charles W. Polzer , S.J., of the American Division Jesuit Historical Institute document, dated October 19, 1983, Crawford had his facts wrong so the treasure could not possible be Jesuit, and the Jesuits had no auspice to grant, and Crawford would have to take the matter up with the Cardinal Secretary of State at the Vatican. We have a copy of this letter.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]In this same time period Crawford was in a legal battle with the Federal Government over the validity of his Cheryl Anne mining claims. Under oath, on the witness stand, Crawford and two witnesses, Larry Billman and Mr. Smith, testified that Crawford was living in a pup tent in Billman’s back yard because Crawford was “in a financial state of embracement.” Yet with in weeks Crawford had $50,000 dollars to establish a pilot plant to process his Cheryl Anne ore. We have a copy of the transcripts. In the Crawford Archive, which I had possession of from 2005 until 2008, there is no document detailing where the $50,000 came from, or exactly how the pilot plant was financed.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]Adding one more thing, on the Crawford Treasure Code, one of the drawings is the same emblem used by the Central Arizona Museum of History, the very museum to which Crawford loaned the so-called 1568 Jesuit Stone. The conclusion is rather obvious. Crawford dug up the treasure, used part of it to finance the pilot plant, and then re-buried the rest of the treasure at the Burn Ranch, which is why the emblem for the museum is on the treasure code.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]There is also the story told by Bert Morrison, one of Crawford’s former security guards at the Burns Ranch Thank You claims. Crawford was searching for a cave that had a stagecoach from the 1800s in it. The stagecoach had been carrying gold, and had been robbed by bandits. These bandits took the stagecoach to a cave, and caused the cave to collapse, and absconded with the gold.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]Crawford found a small cave opening near the top of a rock outcropping. But it turned out to be just a very small cave. However, it contained the small stockpile of black and purple quartz. According to this story, the black and purple quartz was traded by the Apache Indians to old man Burns. They brought it from the Thunder Ground to show to Burns hopping he could tell them what it was, and wanting to show him the Thunder Grounds, because they thought it had something to do with white people.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]As you can tell, we do not know for certain exactly where Crawford got the black and purple quartz. But we have learned that In 1220, Templar Komtur Hubertus Koch, returning with a small party from the Crusades, passed through Mesopotamia, and near the old city of Nineveh in modern Irak received an apparition of the goddess Isais (first child of goddess Isis and god Set). She told him to withdraw to the Untersberg mountain, build a house there and await her next apparition.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]In 1221, Koch erected his first Komturei at the foot of Ettenberg near Markt Schellenberg. A second, larger structure followed. It is believed that over the next few years underground galleries were excavated into various areas of the Untersberg, and in one of them a temple to Isais was built.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]A second apparition occurred in 1226 and were repeated on occasions until 1238. During this period the Templars received "Die Isais Offenbarung", a series of prophesies (recently published) and information concerning the Holy Grail. The Templars at Jerusalem had knowledge of these visitations, over which the Church drew a veil of silence. What follows is only Tradition, but may be of interest.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]It is the German tradition that the Templars were ordered to form a secret scientific sect in southern Germany, Austria and northern Italy to be known as "Die Herren vom Schwarzen Stein" or "DHvSS" for short, and this is the true, hidden meaning of "SS".[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]The Holy Grail ("Ghral"=holy stone, Persian/Arabic) was said to be a black-violet crystal, half quartz, half amethyst, through which Higher Powers communicated with humanity. It was given into the safe-keeping of the Cathars, and smuggled out of the last stronghold at Montsegur, France, and hidden, by four Cathar women on the night of 14 March 1244. There is a Cathar legend that 700 years after the destruction of the Cathar religion the Holy Grail would be returned to its rightful holders, DHvSS, or the SS.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]It is important that one of the place of the German secret scientific sect is northern Italy. As you most likely know the Zeno family of Venice, Italy had the transportation rights between Venice and the Holy Land during the Crusades. Carlo Zeno (1333 - 1418) was a naval hero of Venice. He saved Venice in 1380 in the Battle of Chioggia when the Genoese attacked. From 1405 - 1418 he was a mercenary for hire in the Mediterranean. His brothers were Nicolo (c.1326 - 1402) and Antonio (? - 1003).[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]In 1558 the great-great-grandson son of Nicolo Zeno, who was also named Nicolo Zeno, anonymously published a book with the long title The Discovery of the Islands of Frislandia, Eslanda, Engronelands, Estotilanda, and Icaria; Made by the Two Brothers of the Zeno Family, Namely Messire Nicolo, the Chevalier, and Messire Antonio. With a Map of the Said Islands. This book has been dubbed The Zeno Narrative.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]The subject of The Zeno Narrative is an expedition allegedly undertaken by Nicolo, Antonio, and Prince Henry Sinclair (spelled St. Clair in France) of Orkney (now part of Scotland) in the North Atlantic, ending up in what is now Nova Scotia and New England. I will refer to this expedition as the 1398 Sinclair-Zeno expedition.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]The Zeno Narrative was compiled from letters written by Nicolo and Antonio, and a map, now referred to as the Zeno Map. There are two fractions, one Pro and one Con, which hotly dispute the validity of The Zeno Narrative.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]According to the Pro fraction (who support the validity of The Zeno Narrative), the Zenos departed northern Italy (Venice) in 1398, sailing the Mediterranean, and eastern Atlantic to Orkney (Scotland), meeting up with Prince Henry Sinclair. It was Prince Henry Sinclair led the 1398 Sinclair-Zeno expedition on its departure from Orkney. They sailed the north Atlantic to Faroes, Iceland, Greenland, Labrador, Nova Scotia (Guysborough), and America (Newport). The Zenos returned right away but Prince Henry Sinclair and some of his men did not.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]A colony was established, and the inhabitants are believed to have married into Indian tribes and migrated westward away from the eastern seaboard. Thus the possibility that at least part of the Templar’s Treasure which may have included the Holy Stones made it to North America.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]Prince Henry Sinclair was born in 1345 and was the son and heir of William Sinclair, Lord of Roslin, and Isobel of Strathearn, a daughter of Maol Ísa, Earl of Orkney. According to the official Clain Sinclair website, Clan Sinclair History, 1379 Henry made Jarl (Prince or Earl) of Orkney and Lord of Shetland by King Haakon VI of Norway at Marstrand. 1389 Henry Slays Malise Sperra near Scalloway, Shetland. 1391 Henry conquers Faroe Islands. 1398 Prince Henry's voyage sails to New world. 1398 Henry lands at Trin harbour, now Chadebucto Bay Nova Scotia. 1399 Henry in Massachusetts and Rhode Island Evidence at Westford and the Newport Tower. 1400 Prince Henry killed in Orkney he is succeeded by his son Henry 2nd Earl of Orkney.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]There is no firm evidence on when Henry died. The Sinclair Diploma, written or at least commissioned by his grandson states: "...he retirit to the parts of Orchadie and josit them to the latter tyme of his life, and deit Erile of Orchadie, and for the defence of the country was slain there cruellie by his enemiis..." We also know that sometime in 1401: "The English invaded, burnt and spoiled certain islands of Orkney." The assumption is that Henry either died in this invasion, or was already dead.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]According to Tim Wallace - Murphy and Marilyn Hopkins, authors of Templars In America: From Crusade to the New World, Henry’s distant relative Henri de St. Clair, when he was Baron of Roslin and Pentland, fought in the first crusade at the battle for Jerusalem.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]According to Christopher Knight and Robert Lomas, authors of The Hiram Key, the founder of Templars Hugh de Payns was married to a sister of the Duke of Champaine (Henri de St. Clair), who was a powerful broker of the first Crusade and had the political power to nominate the Pope, and to suggest the idea and empower it to the Pope. This is contested by Thierry Leroy, a biography of Hugues de Payen.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]According to other authors, such as William E. Mann, and Steven Sora, several of Henry’s immediate relatives (grand-uncles, etc) were Templars, and still living when Henry was young.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]In 1566 a man named Zaltieri made a map called Zaltieri’s 1566 map. It clearly shows North America. It also shows what becomes the state of Arizona and the Superstition Mountains, next to which it shows a settlement named Chucho. Thus the possibility that members of the Sinclair colony, who may have had at least part of the Templar Treasure, which may have included the black and purple quartz Holy Stones, made it to the Superstition Mountains in Arizona, in the area of both the Burns Ranch and Bark’s Draw, both of which are possible places where Crawford found the black and purple quartz of which Rick Gwynne and I are in possession, and the Thunder Ground, the location of which is not known, is said to be between the Burns Ranch and the Upper La Barge Box.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]At this point it should be obvious that Rick and I are looking for one or both of the following.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]someone from either the Sinclair or Zeno families who might know more about the Templar Treasure and the possibility that the Holy Stones were part of the 1398 expedition led by Prince Henry Sinclair, and who could examine our black and purple quartz to determine if they were part of the treasure,[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]someone or some group associated with the German Tradition from southern Germany, Austria, or northern Italy who is a High Spiritualist who can examine the black and purple quartz and determine if they are the Holy Stones.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]I would think that before they could be used in some sex ritual to contact the High Spirits they would have to have the Burns curse removed. I would think the Burns curse would prevent them from functioning properly.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]It seems to me, at the very least, even with the Burns curse preventing the proper function, the black and purple quartz constitutes a relic of the German Tradition, especially of Wolfram van Eschenbach, proving that his version was in fact NOT based on Chretien de Troyes’ version, and that the Templars were the guardians of the True Grail, a stone of black and purple quartz, and that Prince Henry Sinclair and the Zenos not only undertook the expedition to the New World in 1398 but brought part of the Templar Treasure with them, namely the German Holy Stones.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]If you know of anyone or any group who can help please contact us.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]Thank you for your time. I know my letter was long and we apologies.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]Emory Taylor and Rick Gwynne[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]26 April 2009 17:30 [/SIZE]
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[Cubfan64]

i was out to hieroglyphic trail about two weekends ago. i saw a strange site. it was near dark. there appeared to be a person flying about in the canyon using a hang glider. there was some type of equipment suspended from it. within minutes it was so dark i could not see it. i thought this strange and decided to camp just down the trail. i thought may be whoever this was using the hang glider might come along that night or next morning. i only saw one person come out early next morning. but it was a woman. i guess i just figured the person on the hang glider had to be a man. may be i was wrong about that guess. a few days later i told a firend about all this and he told me about this treasure forum and a story about a woman named kristy Ann Knutsorn. that's what he called her. said she is a german and involved in some conspiracy and murders involving rick gwynne and emory taylor. i heard this woman i saw talk on a cell phone as she came along the trail to the parking lot. she was speaking german. within a few minutes a white van with black windowns pulled up and she got in and they drove off. she did not have anything with her except a back pack. no hang glider or equipment. so if it was her then she left the hang glider and equipment up there somewhere. lik she is going to return. my friend did some asking around and found out emory taylor. rick gwynne, alin tree, and bill johnson and involved in a new project out in hieroglyphic canyon. so something is definately going on right now as we speak. DOES ANY ONE KNOW WHAT IT IS?

The folks you are referring to are well known within the LDM "community" - I've met most of them and have my opinions, but suggest you attend the Rendezvous at the Don's camp later in October where I suspect you can meet at least 2 of them yourself.

I recall that Rick mentioned another "Peralta Stone" (or at least another carved stone of some kind) being found in Heiroglyphic Canyon a couple years ago at the Rendezvous - don't know what ever became of that. I also believe Heiroglyphic Canyon is the general vicinity of where the "spiral staircase" is rumored to be located.

Two last things: 1) I'd be a little more careful personally attaching any names on a public forum to being potentially involved with any murders - it's reckelss at best and slanderous at worst. 2) Regarding someone hang gliding in Heiroglyphic Canyon - if you're really concerned, I'd contact the forest service and let them know what you saw - it's about the only thing you can do.