Dutchman & government conspiracy Request

[hoops]

Re: Dutchman & government conspiracy Request

I believe it was said here before. MONEY. They intend to sell it.

Just like religious items can be sold to religious people, pagan items can be sold to pagan people. Do you think the occult - pagan - metaphysical shops and book stores are in business because they do not have customers who buy things? Or do you think the occult - pagan - metaphysical shops and book stores are in business because they DO have customers who buy things?

You know, just because you do not see the value in an item such as holy stones that does not mean the whole world thinks as you do. It seems that you impose your belief system on everyone. If it is worthless to you then it must be worthless to everyone. If you do not believe in it then anyone who does is a @#$%$^ nut job, right? That is exactly what other people posting here are doing. They are imposing their belief system on everone. If someone believes something they do not, then they call them @#$% nut jobs. And if that person trys to defend himself or herself the moderators immediately ban the person from posting here.

You know what ... your ABSOLUTELY right just because you do not see a value in holy stone they are worthless to everyone. And your ABSOLUTELY right by imposing your belief system on everyone. If someone does not believe just as you do then THEY ARE 2345 nut jogs.

YOUR ABSOLUTELY RIGHT! Only you and your beliefs count for anything. Especially at this website because if anyone says otherwise they get banned from posting here.

 

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[EE THr]

Re: Dutchman & government conspiracy Request

hoops---

Cheeeeeeeeeeesh! Calm down, old boy. Easy does it. I was just stating my opinion. Anyone knows that my opinion can be wrong! What the hay? It's just my thoughts. I'm not adamantly trying to convince anyone of anything.

Since it appears that your opinion is that they do something, then what do they do?

 

[Cubfan64]

Re: Dutchman & government conspiracy Request

I believe it was said here before. MONEY. They intend to sell it.

Just like religious items can be sold to religious people, pagan items can be sold to pagan people. Do you think the occult - pagan - metaphysical shops and book stores are in business because they do not have customers who buy things? Or do you think the occult - pagan - metaphysical shops and book stores are in business because they DO have customers who buy things?

You know, just because you do not see the value in an item such as holy stones that does not mean the whole world thinks as you do. It seems that you impose your belief system on everyone. If it is worthless to you then it must be worthless to everyone. If you do not believe in it then anyone who does is a @#$%$^ nut job, right? That is exactly what other people posting here are doing. They are imposing their belief system on everone. If someone believes something they do not, then they call them @#$% nut jobs. And if that person trys to defend himself or herself the moderators immediately ban the person from posting here.

You know what ... your ABSOLUTELY right just because you do not see a value in holy stone they are worthless to everyone. And your ABSOLUTELY right by imposing your belief system on everyone. If someone does not believe just as you do then THEY ARE 2345 nut jogs.

YOUR ABSOLUTELY RIGHT! Only you and your beliefs count for anything. Especially at this website because if anyone says otherwise they get banned from posting here.

Have you even bothered to read the rules and guidelines you agreed to when you signed up with TreasureNet?

Here's a few highlights in case you missed them...

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Every one of us agreed to these conditions when we signed on here - if you, I or anyone else don't like it, we're perfectly free to go somewhere else. This isn't a "free for all" forum where you can say anything you want and in any manner you want.

If you think someone else is breaking a rule or guideline, you can report it just like anyone else can and if the moderator's agree, they'll take appropriate action - if not, you can assume your complaint wasn't seen as a problem.

In short, it's like anything else in life - deal with it or move on - that's what I would do at least.

 

[Blindbowman]

Re: Dutchman & government conspiracy Request

i think i would be wondering how a drawing of Baphomet got on the wall of dreams .. before i started guessing at all this other opioions...seeings how the Baphomet demon that matches that drawing was only used from 1307 to 1362 by the templar

i am really good at what i do and i dont know how it got there yet ,,, as far as i can define .. it was there before the stones were made ..long before the stones were made ...in 1640-1646

 

[EE THr]

Re: Dutchman & government conspiracy Request

BB---

I don't suppose you happened to get a picture of that, did you?

 

[cactusjumper]

Re: Dutchman & government conspiracy Request

BB---

I don't suppose you happened to get a picture of that, did you?

Joe

 

[EE THr]

Re: Dutchman & government conspiracy Request

BB---

I don't suppose you happened to get a picture of that, did you?

Joe

Yeah, I know. But I just had to ask.

 

[cactusjumper]

Re: Dutchman & government conspiracy Request

EE,

Thanks for that. I may just have to take bb off ignore for awhile. Things have been a little dry around these parts. Had me taking the burro's a little too seriously.

Take care,

Joe

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

Re: Dutchman & government conspiracy Request

el cholla studded butt Joe: you posted -->. Had me taking the burro's a little too seriously
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Hmmm, just stay away from my sexy, beautiful, mule !!

Don ?? what's his name

 

[Blindbowman]

Re: Dutchman & government conspiracy Request

BB---

I don't suppose you happened to get a picture of that, did you?

yes i did

in fact i got pictures of it from 3 diffrent angles

i am still researching the drawing to date it if it can be dated .. at this point the drawing is closest to the templar 1307-1362 dates .. mostly .. i cant see any other way the drawing could have gotten there .. but maybe thats what the preson was trying to say when he put it there ...

at frist i beleived it was a ealry satin drawing or demon .. the goats head kind of reminded me of those ealry satin drawings of the 1100 -1500's .. but i now beleive the drawing is more detailed and defined then i frist beleived , for one the templar secert innations describe so of the things at the site .. how could they know that unless there were there ..

now this is just my work on the drawings so far .. IMHO they would have had to seen this site and been there .. its just my opioion at this time .. but i do have a way to find out if it was templar ... remember i told in one of my replies here at the site .i saw what i believe is a spike ... i now beleive that may be a sword handle sticking out of the rock with some kind of wire hanging off it .. i can not tell at this piont in time .. the object is sticking out of the rock and dose show up in twom out of the 3 photos ..and nop the picture are not go quality but i know where they were taken and i hope when i can go on expedition 5 i can take a lot of pictures of all over the supers .. and maybe just a few good clear pics of the drawings and that spike thing .. if its was put there so the preson could make the drawing of the demon on the wall and it can be carbon dated , i would not be shocked if it is in fact templar , just under stand i am not saying it is at this point .. but i can not find any reason anyone could have put that drawing there unless they were templar ..

a few things you have to remember about this drawing .. one as joe would say .. no we dont have any clear evidence of the templar being here in the area .. at any point in time ..

but .. as i have pointed out . if a templar was going to mark his area . what better way to do that then . mark it with a drawing of his own demon . one not known by native tribes at the time i dont see anyone it could be any other group of people other then sinclar party .. the jesuit may have tracked sinclar to this site ..i dont know at this piont

,.. but what i do know is the jesitu made the stones . and called the site tayopa .. but it was clearly a native legend and center of many triberable legends and the strong hold and brith place of tribes .. who knows why this demon shows up in the wall of dreams .. but one thing i do know is its there . its real and its not native American ..and it got there some time before 1640-1646..and it dose not relate to the jesuit ...IMHO

and if anyone else cares to give their opioion i am more then willing to hear them out .. but at this point i have stated what i belive at this point ..next time i am in town .. i will have my brother conferm what i am saying .. the drawing is on the wall of dreams with many others .. how it got there is a real good question at this point in time ...

 

[EE THr]

Re: Dutchman & government conspiracy Request

Had me taking the burro's a little too seriously.

You're lucky you have burros.

I only have a cat.

And he's really fast with his claws.

 

[EE THr]

Re: Dutchman & government conspiracy Request

BB---

That was a good post, but your images aren't showing up.

Do you need some help with posting them? I could walk you through the procedure, if you want.










(But just because I'm willing to do a little hand-holding, doesn't mean we will be taking showers together, or anything like that!)

 

[natchitoches]

Re: Dutchman & government conspiracy Request

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[EE THr]

Re: Dutchman & government conspiracy Request

OK, so what do they do?

 

[Blindbowman]

Re: Dutchman & government conspiracy Request

i am not posting the pictures .. one i dont have the time to answer a lot questions these days and it dont look like it will get any better right away .. ... i set and wait .. my friend needs my help and, i gave my word ...

the lost dutchman mine will remain there till i can go ....

its not going any where and where its at no one will find it .....

sorry i got things to do .. careing for a preson that has had a stroke is a 24/7 job ...

i am sorry ...

 

[EE THr]

Re: Dutchman & government conspiracy Request

BB---

I understand. You have a reason there that nobody can criticize, that's for sure. That kind of thing can be taxing on one's soul. I hope you can keep your spirit up, and not let things drag you down.

I guess we're lucky you were able to peck out the ten detailed paragraphs that you did. Your typing is improving, by the way. Responsibility has a way of keeping us alert.

Best wishes to you and your friend.

 

[Blindbowman]

Re: Dutchman & government conspiracy Request

BB---

I understand. You have a reason there that nobody can criticize, that's for sure. That kind of thing can be taxing on one's soul. I hope you can keep your spirit up, and not let things drag you down.

I guess we're lucky you were able to peck out the ten detailed paragraphs that you did. Your typing is improving, by the way. Responsibility has a way of keeping us alert.

Best wishes to you and your friend.

thank you for showing the respect to this turn of events .. the fact is i had no idea the wall of dreams was in the photo when i took the photo , i was useing the NX2 editing program and was looking in the shadows of just random pictures i have phots of about 15 miles of the supers .. we had no idea this site was there when the photo was taken ..

the photo was taken from about 65 yards away and the drawings were not seeable in the shadows at all at the time of the photo ... there is no question what so ever .. that they are real and the fact the spike or what ever it is dose sticking outward from the wall and dose cast a shadow.. and that the drawings are seeable on 3 diffrent phots from there diffrent angles..

untill i can go back and photograph the site up close . we can only define what we can see so far ..

what can i prove ...

1.) the drawing are native American .. IMHO they are from chicomoztoc it self . the war shelds relate this dirrectly , the drawings are of skin tribe people in many diffrent out fits .. some i have listed .. the catatus king ,lizard boy
a larger demon face ,many photos of animales .mt lions and childern playing in skins ..i dont know any other collection of native American drawings that look like these do .. the tribe is more advanced then most others are .

the drawing appear to be shaman like or spirital , they are not only drawings they are cut into the wall .. i can only guess about 1/2 inch deep or more ,

2).as far as we can tell . they do not look to have been painted .2 or 3 of the drawings directly relate to the chicomoztoc codex ..MC2

3.) we believe some or a large number of the drawings were done by the childern of chicomoztoc ...this tells us that logically ,this has to be the real chicomoztoc,and that it would have taken childern and adults to complete a large number of the drawings

4.) we belive the drawings would have taken . no less then 25-35 years to complete ,, we ask you to think about what that means ..

this tribe was at this site and could have been there for hunderds of years if not thousands of years ..to complete a collection of drawings at this scale ....i walk past this site 3 times with out seeing it or knowing it was there at all .. it is not seeable in normal contions ...

why .. we noticed that the drawings never reach the sun light areas .. .. the tribe was most likely cave dwelling and did not have sight in the sun light of the day time .. this is reflected by the lack of drawings out side the cave area.. this is almost imposable site to locate and i saw no reason to search this area at all . before we found the drawings...

5.) we found no other known tribe drawings that match the details of these other then the chicomoztoc codex .. these are most likely the only drawings of chicomoztoc art ever found out side of the lemited codex .. the infomation in these drawings may give us the only true insight into this tribes past and culture ...

we do know a few other details .. like the well of dreams and the lay out of the sites and how they relate to each other ...but we are only guessing at this point untill we can go back and get more detail photos and messurements of the sites and inspect the sites fristhand .. at this point to protect the sites we have misled people away from the sites .. but we are not sure we are the right people to inspect a site this rare and secert ..as a shaman .. i feel and under stand what this site is and the related sites that suround it ..
there is no other place on earth as secert as this site is to mankind .. these people lived threw a great flood .. when all the earth was under water .. these people held their faith and gave mankind a new brith place .. we must respect this site beyond anywhere else on earth ,the human race was bron there ..

and if the ark was a nother place mankind was bron .. we are here today because of those people that made it threw the great flood .. i can not picture how it would fell to live in a cave for many years as a whole tribe and then cast out tribes as they were born into the world..

i dont know what i will do in my life time .. i search so many great topics and i am willing to focus beyond the lemits of known culture .. but here i am sure of one thing ... i look at the drawings . and i cry ....

there is no greater work of art on earth ..IMHO

 

[EE THr]

Re: Dutchman & government conspiracy Request

BB---

If you sense that this art is important to the World, then you should share it with the World.

You should post the photos.

Maybe you were guided to this art so that it would be known to all mankind. If so, I wouldn't just sit on it, if I were you. You were there, and took photos, for a reason. You weren't guided to look at it yourself, but to take the photos of it. What does that mean to you?

 

[Blindbowman]

Re: Dutchman & government conspiracy Request

your race face existion will it really matter now?

 

[EE THr]

Re: Dutchman & government conspiracy Request

Are you revealing that you are non-human?