DOC NOSS-Victorio Peak OR The Caballo Mountains

[gollum]

Mike was that the pictue oren had, I saw that picture before. but theres no reason for there to be a map in that area that has steps. and I have never seen any other maps of that area that have lots of steps . I don't think this map can just be pushed aside.because it is of the area.np ps they are the same maps of the same place and its not victorio peak.

Yes, that is one of Oren's many Pictures.

I can tell you that without a doubt, neither of those drawings look anything at all like the cave of steps, or the area around the cave of steps.

Mike

 

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[treasminder2]

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Without instigating argument

Just one test of Mike's knowledge

Mike
relate to me what the significance the Rock I just circled has .

in 15 words or less .

reveal that please

I will post later the answer .

Just asking

and that is not the cave of legend

the Name given : 1300 steps was My dads name for a Cave a Sheep herder entered pre-Doc Noss days in Hembrillo

As reported in a Newspaper article of the area .

Found in a Micro-fishe review by my Dad at the Alamogordo Library in 1958

The herder , a Teenager had lost his mind in the cave after being lost in it for a few days

The herder re-counted seeing stacks of bars

and some strange apparatus and ancient almost Egyptian looking artifacts .

That Article can still be reviewed today .

as I said

Cluade , not Hiles could possibly take Oren to the Cave of 1300 steps

adhere if you would to dad's statement about Noss being seen leading a couple Donkeys with empty packs
up a ridge near Hard Scabble

and later coming down with full packs

for now

just if you will
tell me what you think that small upright stone and the shape of it means

it was set there for a purpose

what does it convey ?

in 15 words or less please .

and to state

Neither Claude , Hiles , nor Oren could answer that question

and to Dave Zander

You do npot have the answer either , so please stand down

 

[treasminder2]

Quote Gila River

Claudes Son

note, I believe he has the year wrong of 1982

due to a converstaion I had with Claude in 1982

who knows for sure what year

pay attention to the statement

" NO Steps " were seen

Note as well Oren was with a GROUP

that is revealing in a way .
ties to a GROUP not trusted by Dad and should not have been trusted by Claude

They did confer on this meeting
Claude wrote Dad and asked his opinion on the situation with Oren
I can say that Dad saved all letters
in his Army trunk and I read through those in 1982 some
and 1987 and 88 I spent many Hours reading letters he had in that trunk

some he got from the ranch in Fla, that were family letters dating way back to the 1860
s referring the civil war of that time

Claude wrote many letters asking Dads opinion on matters

He respected Dads Instinctual deductive reasoning .
That is clear in the way he wrote .

here is Gil's post from this forum


Note Claude siad this cave pictured above was found by Soldiers
first
Dads cave was NOT found by soldiers and the Source he got the loaction of the cave from
was the Rhaods brothers who lived right at the Mouth of the Canyon where it is at .



Regarding a gentleman named Oren Swearingen - Dad went to see him when I was about 17 years old I guess, about 1982. I know this for certain as I went with him, mostly to safeguard his person. He was getting older even then, and I did not know anyone we were meeting, or who might be waiting. I was pretty confident in my own ability with a firearm however, and intended that he and I would return, regardless of anything else. We did indeed go out as a group, and Dad showed a cave that had no steps or anything. This was expected however as a couple of soldiers had managed to rappel down an air shaft into a storage room shortly before, and said there was evidence of a cave in above when they explored. Of course like many such claims - they could not find their way back again..... Were they telling the truth? I do not know. I have no way to know if that was the right cave, or a similar cave close to the right cave. I know Dad thought well of Dr Swearingen, so I never got the feeling he was being purposefully deceptive with the gentleman, although with Dad one was never fully certain. However to my knowledge nothing was recovered from it. I will let folks make of that whatever they wish - I really have no answers other than what I have said.

End quote

This haggle with Gollum is way to stupid for me to confront this .

Clearly Mike has faith in Orens claims

clearly I have certain family contained and maintained knowledge that I DO not reveal not even in my Books

I will point one item out

it is how my mind works when I scan an area

The statement by the soldiers was that they repelled down an AIRSHAFT

I look at this lay of the land in the photo
Granted , not much can be seen

However
as familiar as I am with The geological properties as in this photo

doubtful it is ,,,,, that a Vent is above this entrance .


and as I said

the stone I circled is conveying a message

it is that message that denotes the purpose of this cave .

it as well makes another staement

that concerns another in line message

I leave to the Professor to fill in those blanks for us .

I am not trolling as yet

so relax Mike

 

[treasminder2]

To not peralta

The steps are NOT a stair case as one may imagine them to be when they hear the term steps

how it is laid out

The grade of the slope is very slight

the passage is long and the steps are wide and very shallow in height

some steps were about three to four feet in width and you would double step those

imagine a long sloping tunnel , meandering with curves in it

it is NOT a Man made dug tunnel

it is a Natural geological condition

thye walls of which are NOT picked by a tool

and this is NOT a Basalt formation as in Oren's photo

The cave of 1300 steps is more of what I would call a fissure , natural fissure not a mine

The cieling in certain palces has a distinct natural formation to it

and that is a color that does not match the walls .

The fissure was formed when the upheavel took place Aeons ago in time

all Natural as the shelfs show when you look at the range from above

that is a tip as to it's location .

The entrance is not low as in Orens picture

it is a Long Tall Crack and cannot be seen from the lower canyon because of the overlapping formation as is natural to this mountain range

Victorio Peak is a Basalt formation

where the cave of 1300 steps is located
it is NOT , Basalt

It is a Granite formation as Hard Scabble is

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

Rog, that challenge to Gully is a bit silly. 20 people can look at that rock and come up with 20 different interpretations all of which will be incorrect, yet each will believe that theirs is the only correct one, so effectively it is a useless challenge unless you can back it up with physical data. Don't throw the dice with mother nature. She is a master of deceit.

Drink yer coffee my friend, a fresh pot had just been mde.

 

[Not Peralta]

Treasminder2, Thank you for that info,the two maps that I posted were not a locator maps ,they merely showed what was inside a particular area, never of importance to me,
I also want to thank you for posting about the strike mark and the omega. some time back on my other thread we were having a long discussion on the omega symbol, I am glad
to see someone else that knows its meaning. in the mnts along the Nevada side of the Colorado river there are three omega symbols , one is the full strike mark symbol,its in the center
of the other two, all can be found within 200yards of each other, each one has different types of petroglyphs and writing, at first was very difficult to understand,but I think the spirit took over
and for whatever reason helped me understand the true meaning,I have absolutely no reason to dig this up ,or disturb them in any way, they were put there for a reason. I am curious about
what you did not write about and why, there is more info associated with the strike mark or omega symbol, and what is around them, you had your own reasons for not mentioning them, so do I .
but do you think its time for people to understand . np:cat ps the full strike mark here was dedicated to someone very special.

 

[UncleMatt]

lol, the new post indicator on the previous page is stuck in the on position

 

[gollum]

Rog,


9 words: "Does it have anything to do with Joe Batson?"


............. and clearly I have never found Oren to be deceitful in any way since the day Lambert Dolphin introduced us. YOU on the other hand, I have caught in many different ridiculous deceptions and fantasies. Who would I believe? I'll go with Oren.


Mike

 

[Rawhide]

Having walked some of the area Treaserminder has. I recognize a lot of what he has said. He has put out more useful and verifiable information that the lot of you. Do I enjoy his taking liberty's with you every now and then. I sure do. I do have the utmost respect for all of you, and I am a unknown player. I have held a few fantasy's, which I can say I have dropped. When you got so many people putting untested info out there. Well there ya go. I never met Oren, but we must have talked as I have him in my contacts. Most of that data was lost due to a hard drive crashing. I have only met a few of you, and can say I was better for the experience. Now maybe my health is getting better I can go put some of this info you have put out to good use. Can Treasure explain that penny throwing thing again? He will know what Im talking about.

 

[Rawhide]

My understanding the cave of steps is not in New Mexico. Not to say there is not one, just the location I was trusted with will not fit any treasure hunting style nor will you find it that way as I can see. I wont be a tease, but can I ask if someone can explain the Phallus stones located near certain sites.

 

[treasminder2]

Rog, that challenge to Gully is a bit silly. 20 people can look at that rock and come up with 20 different interpretations all of which will be incorrect, yet each will believe that theirs is the only correct one, so effectively it is a useless challenge unless you can back it up with physical data. Don't throw the dice with mother nature. She is a master of deceit.

Drink yer coffee my friend, a fresh pot had just been mde.

Oh Really ?

If a Mole like Oren can collect the property of my Dads Group , for his Little Drama's

Have you not noticed that Oren and His group have tons of My dad and Claudes

material ?

as I said
Oren was a Mole he never knew any of this stuff .

Yet , he wanted every story he could get

Useless question is it ?

Hold your tongue and just and watch how this works out .

He cannot answer the question

for none of us told Oren or others what the Stone is called and the meaning of them

Oren was fishing

he was fed lies and bait .

That stone has significance
You do not knpow the answer

and yes , I am aware that people will attempt to answer the question

I can name the stone for you

yet
Enough of the fishing

and just for Your info

Can you or Oren , Mike or anyone else say that stupid cave in the photo is even in The San Andreas ?

No , none of you can

Mike
Post the Photo of Claude standing in a Flue , Oren emailed it to me .

Oren had all of Dads photos and his portfolio

answer why he had Material Belonging to my Family

give that a try

Answer how he got all of our groups stuff

but went no where with it ,

This is fun

These oren post reveal that he was working with a Group attempting to claim jump the original Hunters

It brings back memories of Those Clowns even walking on my Job Sites dressed as Construction workers
trying to smooze up to me to get Treasure info .

THAT , is Stalking a person

so how many CRIMES do you think ONFP / Mormon Tabby Cats / Texas and Utah Wealth monge3rs got away with Mike .

Post so more of our photos

I'll ask the questions
and see what is answered

Lets play , shall we .

 

[treasminder2]

Casca

quote : Can Treasure explain that penny throwing thing again? He will know what Im talking about.

Unclear your meaning

was it : Take a stack of pennies in the hand

flip one at a time out in front of you

Shoot them from the hip with a Colt 1911 45acp

Do you mean That

yeah
on average 4 to 5 pennies per 7 round clip at times all 7 , the art is referred to as Focus
see the penny , zero the intent in on it, the hand follows the eye .

good with combat shooting ?

yep
I was

Trained to the point i became a private trainer of just a few friends and relitives .

 

[gollum]

Oh Really ?

If a Mole like Oren can collect the property of my Dads Group , for his Little Drama's

Have you not noticed that Oren and His group have tons of My dad and Claudes

material ?

as I said
Oren was a Mole he never knew any of this stuff .

Yet , he wanted every story he could get

Useless question is it ?

Hold your tongue and just and watch how this works out .

He cannot answer the question

for none of us told Oren or others what the Stone is called and the meaning of them

Oren was fishing

he was fed lies and bait .

That stone has significance
You do not knpow the answer

and yes , I am aware that people will attempt to answer the question

I can name the stone for you

yet
Enough of the fishing

and just for Your info

Can you or Oren , Mike or anyone else say that stupid cave in the photo is even in The San Andreas ?

No , none of you can

Mike
Post the Photo of Claude standing in a Flue , Oren emailed it to me .

Oren had all of Dads photos and his portfolio

answer why he had Material Belonging to my Family

give that a try

Answer how he got all of our groups stuff

but went no where with it ,

This is fun

These oren post reveal that he was working with a Group attempting to claim jump the original Hunters

It brings back memories of Those Clowns even walking on my Job Sites dressed as Construction workers
trying to smooze up to me to get Treasure info .

THAT , is Stalking a person

so how many CRIMES do you think ONFP / Mormon Tabby Cats / Texas and Utah Wealth monge3rs got away with Mike .

Post so more of our photos

I'll ask the questions
and see what is answered

Lets play , shall we .

You are so full of crap your eyes are brown.

Like I said, since you so flagrantly LIED about the entire Joe Batson Issue. SO full of BS. I actually do know exactly what that upturned rock is. There are many other pictures, drawings, and maps.

I can't be baited by a nothing like you. I teased something I know to be true. I provided a picture of the cave entrance. All you have is more BS. You can't prove ANYTHING you say, and all you can do is try and denigrate the name of a man that did more in his life than you could hope to do in five of your worthless lifetimes. He served in the military, went to medical school and became a dentist, traveled all over working on treasure stories (yes, he was good friends the Sterling and Peggy Seagrave who spent years looking for Yama$hita's Teasure in the Philippines and helped them search), he was a pilot, and had a wife and three children. YOU, on the other hand, just sit in your filth and post nutty internet rants. YOU are a REAL WINNER!

Mike

 

[treasminder2]

quote query : " "Does it have anything to do with Joe Batson?"

DEAD WRONG

joe is outside Amarillo

The Gender is wrong as well , no longer a Man ( he droppedd dead )

Woman toward the end of their game

Out of Austin
Daughters name is Elaine
her Name was Rose
Husband was Bill

 

[treasminder2]

you cracked me up Mike

You lose
The stone is referred to as " Flame Stone"

They Begin down by Vera Cruz

Big ones set atop flat top boulders .

From Horseback , One standing at these can see the next one .

The trail from out south east toward El Paso
was picked up by Clarence McDonald while a Range Rider on the Base
he lived in the Old Cox Bunk House where Soledad Hiking Trail is now .

Dad , Claude , Methvin and Dwayne , followed those into Soledad ,

a few trips later
Dad found a Split off trail of them That ran into Rucker

at the Terminus is the smallest of the Monuments as seen in that Photo .

They are all over the ORGAN Mountains .

The Flame stone represents the Flame of a Light ( Candle ) leading the way

Metaphorical , coded , and just exactly how the clues were done .

You follow these , the digress in size the closer you get for the ;last few of them .

Trust Oren
Boy what a Resume' he has .

I suppose you believe those articles are what makes a good man ,,, right ?

Sorry dude
Many Human snakes slither around , and still have resume's as oren's

Heck even Serial Killers have those resume'

Full of crap my breath stinks is a better way to state it mike

where's you imagination .

FLAME STONE MONUMENT
was the answer

They shine to light your way .

post some more photos

I'll educate you ,newbie .

gawd how dumb to pick up Orens Ball and run with it

Drop the Ball Mike , Be your own person for once in your life

Oren has You trapped in His Mind now

get out of his mind and into yours .

Believe , his world was an ever ongoing daydream , and he failed hard at the Game .

FELL HARD

all that effort , and nothing to show but a story at the end
and lies to tell about the people he pilfered from after those people were dead

yes
i can see where he was 15 times the MAN that I am .

He probably gave to save the Whales too .

and he warned of Fukushima

He found Hitler and burned him at the Stake

and he spent a day once a year to Polish Moroni's Trumpet atop the S.L.C. Tabernacle , just to be a nice
worshiper ,,

right ?

did he go pink and cure breast Cancer too ?

He and the ONFP PAID my Half Brother $25,000 for that Crap compiled in Dads Portfolio

ha ha
That was money well spent ,,,, NOT

My Brother still laughs about that , it paid off his 40 acres in Tennessee , Just before his wife divorced him , and took it all from him

GAWD the Karma Goddess certainly was hard at work on that Group of Poop

all that investor money wasted

Their operatives Dying in accidents right in front of my face

I watched some Blond woman drive her face right into a Load of Pipe on the back of
a Tractor Trailer while she and her team were Tracking me

I watched that Pipe take her head and Plant it out the rear window

she looked like Medusa Dude

Know what I felt at the time ?

COLD ,, as her team mate ran to the door of her car to open it
he bent down , looked inside at her

her Neck spurting blood

he turned
threw up

I said to Him

" Well Bud , you wanted to be a Hero , "

and I then Drove off with him shooting death darts at me through his eyes .

That is the FACTS

They wanted to play Treasure Game with me

This Game Board is too big for them

Note I'm still alive

and I have witnessed many of them hit the ground six feet deep .

As I said
we were leaving them alone

no invite was given

they came in co-vertly ( as Oren Did )

and ended empty handed

give it a thought sometime : Is there really anything out there , or is it all Theatrics < meant to bait and stick people ?

catch up Mike
Oren and Boys were miles behind us

Deceit ?

yep they were .

Not as good at it as the Intel's agents ,, and even they were tripped up many times .

One is REAL

One is NOT

One belongs to the Baker
the other,
to the little boy down the lane

One takes your life

the other
Your mind

when all the cards have dealt

You've still fallen behind

The smoke and mirrors
the claok
and dagger
of the treasure man's game

We spin a tale to tell
to suck the fly in

then leave the web behind

for them to take and spin

Did Oren Leave his Web for you to spin ?

think abpout it

before you end up Pathetic as he turned out .

drop that Ball , it just gets too heavy man ,, and never produces wealth

just Grief

or ,,,

carry on and have your head wrapped around all this Mystic Crap for life

AGAIN ,,, VERY CLEAR :::: IT AIN'T OUT THERE NO MORE MAN

and that is not a shout

it is truth .

 

[treasminder2]

oh

and by the way , The Flame Stones are said to be AZTEC

funny , why is it I was the only one to notice that stone there and speak of it ?

I must know my Stink well .

 

[gollum]

Like I said,

I never found Oren to have lied to me about anything. You are a different kind of stench. All you do is spout BS. You tell a rambling rant about Oren and how Joe Batson would have only been 4 in 1961. You warned Oren to quit using that story. In less than five minutes and one google search, I shot your story down completely. Who do I choose to believe? Lets see, Oren was introduced to me by Dr Lambert Dolphin. Chief physicist at SRI (Stanford Research Institute) for 35 years. Known as the father of modern ground penetrating radar. Honest as the day is long. Highly recommends Oren to me as his long time friend and treasure hunting buddy. In all the years I have known him, I have never caught him in a lie.

Now lets look at you ........ the first sentence that slithered off your keyboard was BS. Almost every post you make is a rambling, shambling mental mess. I bet as you type, you speak all the words you are typing out loud. I don't know anyone that loves to ramble as much as you. Especially rambling BS.

Yeah ....... you're the guy to believe. NOT!

Mike

 

[treasminder2]

Since the Moment of the Home invasion that took place at Dads house , and the invaders Murdered my little sister

There is a Death count of the team that Murdered her .

of that team

these on the list I watched die

1. Dude on Motorcycle Riodoso nm , He ran his bike into a dump truck DECAPITATED ,,, SPLAT DEAD
2. another Dude on M.C. Sonoma Ca. while tracking me . he hit a Light Standard SPLAT DEAD
3, Blond Woman with team tracking me out of Arizona into Calif. ( Rammed her Snoozel into pipe , deacpitated , SLAT DEAD !
4. Agent on Mining Claims New River Az, repelled down vertical shaft , on his way back up ,,,
fell 30 feet ,, Busted ankle ,,, SPLAT OUCH ,,, he's down there now way back up\
I show up minutes later and pull him out

he looks at me as I say : " Boy Jeff , if anyone wants to know how to break an ankle , You've got expert advice for them now .
COLD AS DEAD STEEL was my inflection
he about lost his mind , here he was claim jumping a guy , gets hurt and the guy he is messing with rescues him

yeah , if I was a Bad guy
I would have tinkled on him while he was down there

and then left him there , he and his team had just Vandalized my Pick-up that past week on my Job site
yep
I'm a bad actor alright .

The list is rather long

I think my sister can rest in peace now .

I never caused any of it

it was Like watching some Metaphysical action movie man .

How do I feel about them ?

COLD

They wanted to toy with my life like it was theirs to play with

tuff cream puffs to them

heh heh

 

[gollum]

Since the Moment of the Home invasion that took place at Dads house , and the invaders Murdered my little sister

There is a Death count of the team that Murdered her .

of that team

these on the list I watched die

1. Dude on Motorcycle Riodoso nm , He ran his bike into a dump truck DECAPITATED ,,, SPLAT DEAD
2. another Dude on M.C. Sonoma Ca. while tracking me . he hit a Light Standard SPLAT DEAD
3, Blond Woman with team tracking me out of Arizona into Calif. ( Rammed her Snoozel into pipe , deacpitated , SLAT DEAD !
4. Agent on Mining Claims New River Az, repelled down vertical shaft , on his way back up ,,,
fell 30 feet ,, Busted ankle ,,, SPLAT OUCH ,,, he's down there now way back up\
I show up minutes later and pull him out

he looks at me as I say : " Boy Jeff , if anyone wants to know how to break an ankle , You've got expert advice for them now .
COLD AS DEAD STEEL was my inflection
he about lost his mind , here he was claim jumping a guy , gets hurt and the guy he is messing with rescues him

yeah , if I was a Bad guy
I would have tinkled on him while he was down there

and then left him there , he and his team had just Vandalized my Pick-up that past week on my Job site
yep
I'm a bad actor alright .

The list is rather long

I think my sister can rest in peace now .

I never caused any of it

it was Like watching some Metaphysical action movie man .

How do I feel about them ?

COLD

They wanted to toy with my life like it was theirs to play with

tuff cream puffs to them

heh heh

You tell stories to make yourself seem like not such a bad guy, EXCEPT........ the stories themselves are probably complete BS. So, yeah. You are a scumbag.

Mike

 

[treasminder2]

Look at his birthdate on that page I posted that he booted up

in 1961 , he was a C.I.A. agent ?

not hardly
He knew the Byrds alright ,

but did he help offload planes full of Vicky Gold onto Lyndons Byrdie Hutch as a C.I.A. Agent ? in 1961 ?

Ok
You're right , he got an early start and the vetted him before he graduated high school even

he quit school at ten ?
enter special forces at 11
graduated Cum Laud at skull and bones at 12
created an anti-gravitational device at 13
a time machine at 14
built the Giza Plateau at 15
and planted the Magic bullet on JFK

well
The resume's these people have are impressive , I feel so useless compared .

Yeah , Oren and Jerry Cheatum made a really honest to goodness team of True Hearts Mike

Did they let you mow their lawns too

did you baby sit their grand kids too

Dolphin and Whale Gave you a good friend to play with ?

Who did the Panda bear recommend you to ''' te Ostrich with his head in a hole ? that's where you got the habit
of not seeing facts I guess .

Lets see
You saw maps
photos
trails in the night time sky
Little Bo Peep and a Bag pof wool

You saw Mega Tons of Gold as well
smelted from ore
on the west bank of hell
You've got a PHD in treasure
and a wealth of in the know
you are acquainted with every rock
and what lies below
you have photo's of bars
to prove they exist
and
drive Massarati Cars
with Rolex on your wrist
You drive a Hummer
with diamond studded tires
what a bummer
my rides tags just expired
You own the Forum and Taj Maja too
You own everything in town
and a petting Zoo too
Oren was Gawd in the flesh
his words can't be doubted
my memory's gone
can we refresh
Gawd is Oren
and you are mike
Michael the Arch Angel
riding a Trike
all that come before
shall follow you
from behind
fore you've got Info
and have the best mind
Photo of Gawd in a Hole
Smiling he found it
all that Gold
Yet ,,,,


hehe hehehe

Well , had I known i was keeping such Illustrious Company

I would have wore some underwear .