defund obamacare, sign the petition.

[dieselram94]

who pays for that care if you are not able to? If you happen to answer, "the state government" or the "the federal government". then all your arguments against Obamacare are null. Remember the reason why the Florida state legislature turned down Medicare expansion?


Uhh, branch falling out of tree is an act of god, go sue him. Or you can hire Chad-O, better yet, ask him how it would work out.

Aren't we all supposed to not believe in god? According to the left we are all just "bitter clingers" remember? In other words god is ok to use as long as it fits the lefts agenda. You know the old double standard...!!!
And as far as property owner being liable. They would sue for negligence as the tree should have been trimmed back...

 

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[jerseyben]

Obamacare is clearly not the answer.

But 100% socialized healthcare is. Of course, there should also be private health care right alongside the socialized healthcare for the folks who want and can afford it.

Healthcare in this country has gone the way of walmart and jpmorgan. You and I are nothing but a dollar sign. Our health and well being means nothing. It is all profit based.

I say there are only a few things in this world that should not be based on money and profit alone and people's health is one of those things (the most important thing).

I say let there be a new amendment to the constitution giving people the "right to healthcare".

 

[diggummup]

The real answer to healthcare reform is medical malpractice reform. Doctors order so many tests that are unnecessary because of fear of litigation. this drives up the cost of care. Medical malpractice premiums are very expensive. Most medical malpractice suits are frivolous but insurance companies settle because it is less expensive then going to court and they do not want to play the odds with a jury. However, lawyers make the laws in this country and why would they put themselves out of a job? The answer is to have medical panels to summarily assess malpractice. Of course, the only people qualified to sit on the panel would be doctors; hence, nobody would trust it because they would say doctors are protecting each other. Kind of like lawyers in the government protect each other...but that is okay.

I'm done ranting for now.
Crispin

There is your answer. Tort reform across the board, not just medical malpractice.

 

[mustangpalmer1911]

I'm against do overs as well. However, somebody has to pay for the healthcare of the indigent or we change the law and they die on the street. I don't look forward to stepping over rotting bodies on the way into the hospital. Also, I am for tax stratification. I think people who make more money should payer a higher tax percentage. 10000 dollars means a lot more to somebody making 50000 dollars a year then somebody making 500000. With great power comes great responsibility. If we are not our brother's keep then let us at least not be his executioner. The government must take over the burden of healthcare for the uninsured. It is not fair to allow hospitals and doctors to continue to shoulder the burden.

Sure then we end up like Russia, China, Cuba, any all the other countries were people no long wish to work harder and achieve more just to get it taken for THEIR success. Flat tax on EVERYONE AND EVERY CORPORATION, say 8% pay it... no write offs, no freebies because you just opened doors, no excuses just pay your 8%. Now EVERYONE pays the same % making it fair but the rich and big business pay their share. Or even better go back to tariffs on foreign goods and drop income tax like this country was supposed to be.

 

[Crispin]

My last vist to emergency room was for a kidney stone, when I asked hospital about the tests they were running they told me, "don't worry it is covered by your insurance".....Bill was over $9000.00, my copay was almost a $1000.00

Hosipital charges $18.00 for an asprin. $71.00 for single blood pressure pill...
$18 For A Baby Aspirin? Hospitals Hike Costs For Everyday Drugs For Some Patients - Kaiser Health News

Woman in Az was charged over $83,000 for 3 hour hospital visit...
$83,046 For A 3 Hour Hospital Visit ? Why Are Hospital Bills So Outrageous?



Why is it a doctor will charge me $1800 for a 20 min out patient procedure (for just his part), and then scream because I bill him $125. to fix his telephone equipment?

Your telling me hospital arent making money...... I'm not buying it.... Our health care system has become a giant money making scam.................

I don't want to get into all the logistics behind health care costs because it will most likely get summarily dismissed. However, let me make this one point:
1. You call a plumber, he fixes your burst pipe. You don't pay...what happens?
2. You bring your car to a mechanic, he fixes your car. You don't pay...what happens?
3. You walk into a lawyers office and don't give him a retainer, what happens?
4. You walk into a hospital, a doctor saves your life. You don't pay...what happens? The answer is nothing.

You value equal rights but see no problems with this ridiculous double standard? Medicine is the only occupation in the country where service cannot be refused if people cannot pay. Try not paying your mechanic and see what happens the next time you need your car fixed. You can not pay your doctor over and over again and he cannot refuse to see you. If I was a libertarian I would be all over this.

 

[Crispin]

Sure then we end up like Russia, China, Cuba, any all the other countries were people no long wish to work harder and achieve more just to get it taken for THEIR success. Flat tax on EVERYONE AND EVERY CORPORATION, say 8% pay it... no write offs, no freebies because you just opened doors, no excuses just pay your 8%. Now EVERYONE pays the same % making it fair but the rich and big business pay their share. Or even better go back to tariffs on foreign goods and drop income tax like this country was supposed to be.

Refuse healthcare to dying people and our streets will look like those of China, Russia, and Cuba.

 

[jerseyben]

Refuse healthcare to dying people and our streets will look like those of China, Russia, and Cuba.

Where is the bravo icon?

 

[Crispin]

You keep saying people die on the street? That is demonstrably false.
And Tax stratification is best done with a flat tax, sothat everyone suffers the same burden. I am sure a 10 % tax would make you pay more than I, But we would both contribute. And that is how you make people understand that there are taxes. Many do not pay them so they do not know the burden that they incur.

Assuming you are correct and that I am in a higher tax bracket then you...a flat tax would be to my benefit. Do you think I oppose a flat tax for selfish reasons? I certainly don't believe in handouts either. Some of the wealthiest people in the country support tax stratification. Do you think they got that wealthy by being stupid? (maybe some did) Break out of party lines and think for yourself...why would I support something that costs me money?

Easy...the more stable the economy, the more potential I have to make money. The better off the average person is the more the average person can spend. My raising the standard for all of us with tax stratification I will most likely end up making more then had we not. As a bonus, everybody's quality of life improves. The government has no concept of economics, that is why we are in so much debt.

If Romney had kept his mouth shut he would be the current president. His one liners alienated him and polarized voters. When we conservatives see that the majority will never vote for extremes? Short of taking up arms try compromising and bending first. Yes, the other side is guilty of this as well. The difference is they have the majority behind them...they can get away with it.

 

[Chadeaux]

uhhh,, just had an appendectomy (appendix removed laposcoptically (?) Crispin would know what I mean. Bill was for $68,357.00, Insurance paid 63K and change. Guess who got to pay the rest? Insurance didn't even really pay that 63K and change, they wrote it down with the hospital and doctor.

Now, if YOU don't have insurance and YOU are walking down the street, minding YOUR own business and a branch falls out of a tree breaking YOUR arm or shoulder. Who is going to pay to have YOUR arm or shoulder set? Who is going to pay for YOUR xrays? Who is going to pay for YOUR problem? Do YOU think some kindly hospital will just say, "that's alright TH, we know it wasn't YOUR fault, we'll just be fine paying for YOUR problem."

Or are YOU going to go all lawyer on the tree?

Hello!? Anyone home!?

You do realize that what you are complaining about is exactly what Obamalamadingdongcare is supposed to be, dontcha?

It is supposed to be insurance, NOT FREE HEALTH CARE!

At least the insurance company worked to reduce the total, which probably saved you a bit (even a 10% copay would have been over 6 grand).

Do you really expect Obamalamadingdongcare to negotiate a lower price for you?

Nope, maybe a higher price ... since most of the cost will end up coming back to them in the way of taxes on medical equipment.

Anyone know what our copay will be under Obamalamadingdongcare?

I'd like to know as I'm apparently going to lose my health coverage at work due to prohibitive cost increases from Blue Cross / Blue Shield. Already costing my company over $1k per month per enrollee, and we don't even have the cadillac plan. Minimal health coverage, and not for family ... just employees.

 

[Dave44]

I don't think I fully grasp your post Crispin, It could be you are agreeing with me.
In our current tax stratification scheme there are carveouts and "loopholes" throughout. There are teams of accountants who do not even agree on the amounts you owe, much less the application of mountains of paperwork for your individual tax returns.

Yes, you may feel like a flat rate would benefit you. And it probably would. But the real reason we need such a tax is that as soon as 51 % of the country has no tax liability at all his country is over, and you will see real stratification, which could include 90% for those that aren't rich enough to buy their own place in the power structure. Everyone needs to pay. And I don't mean just sales tax.
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The very rich are not stupid, you are right, and they can afford teams of accountants and lawyers. And if you are Warren Buffet you can even afford not to pay taxes and get away with it.

If you think I am stuck in a party line you need to take a look at any of my posts again. I may be most vocal about the scandals in the Soc. party but I have a real problem with the progressives of the Rep. party.

 

[pippinwhitepaws]

National Coalition for the Homeless

• Results: ◦Total deaths: 2,815 homeless deaths from January 1, 2000 to May 28, 2007, an average of more than one per day for the nearly 7.5 year period


these numbers reflect one city in the united states...people are dying on the streets.

 

[Dave44]

I guess you know,, that under the kind helpfulness of many liberal cities, they were sending homeless to Hawaii for the easy climate.
But the ultra kind Very Liberal and Progressive stae of Hawaii says they don't really think that is a good idea either, you see it eats up the dwindling benefits for those on the dole native to Hawaii.

Hawaii lawmakers want to buy homeless one-way tickets off island | Fox News

By the way,, not just homeless people die on the street,, you are making a planet out of an anthill. I know of a bunch of people in Chicago that die on the street all the time!

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

National Coalition for the Homeless

• Results: ◦Total deaths: 2,815 homeless deaths from January 1, 2000 to May 28, 2007, an average of more than one per day for the nearly 7.5 year period


these numbers reflect one city in the united states...people are dying on the streets.

There are many homeless that prefer the street life over shelters and will not accept help...it is a way of life.

I have stopped and offered yard work to panhandlers on street corners who decline the work. Just like the hobos they prefer the lifestyle and freedom......

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[worldtalker]

There are many homeless that prefer the street life over shelters and will not accept help...it is a way of life.

I have stopped and offered yard work to panhandlers on street corners who decline the work. Just like the hobos they prefer the lifestyle and freedom......

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I surely would like to find one of them hobo nickels though.

 

[Dave44]

TH, absolutely Right!!!..

I have tried a couple of times! There they are standing on the corner asking for money and food. I have pulled over and asked them if they wanted to work for me for the day and they laughed at me! I have only done this a couple of times, when I was younger. I learned a lot then.

But I have given to people that looked to be in serious need, I am not sure of the circumstances, but the government released many people unable to fend for themselves years ago. Apparently, in the eyes of government, these are the people that they want to control the least!(maybe because there is no money in it, or maybe they do not feel as powerful as when they take down self sufficient people.)

 

[pippinwhitepaws]

<<<this one is a "stand down"


yes, there are homeless who won't work...nor would most people be willing to be around the chronic mentally ill...
these are the visual reminders of a failed health care system...a failed veterans health care system...a climate of ignore the ill and they just fade away.
{it is not the doctors fault}

 

[Dave44]

Granted that the bummer care model is failing. Those Vets paid into the insurance but received rotten health care and now the American people will be subject to the same system! You are right on that!

That is why BOcare is so bad! It isn't the doctors fault,, usually.

Tell me how the Army can hire the best and brightest, and take care of our soldiers sufficiently, when they are hamstrung by government bureaucracy?

Are these the best we can hope for in our new, government endorsed programs for ourselves, Is this part of the reason so many vets cannot cope being back in country?Wasn't he part of the process to help in the transition?
Fort Hood Shooting by Army Doctor Nidal Malik Hasan Leaves 12 Dead - ABC News

"According to sources, Hasan, who is either 39 or 40, attended the Uniformed Services University of the Health Sciences in Bethesda, MD. He graduated in 2003 with a degree in Osteopathy and later finished his residency as a psychiatrist.

In 2009, Hasan completed a fellowship in Disaster and Preventive Psychiatry at the Center for Traumatic Stress.
He was promoted to major status in May, according to the Army Times. "

 

[Crispin]

There are many homeless that prefer the street life over shelters and will not accept help...it is a way of life.

I have stopped and offered yard work to panhandlers on street corners who decline the work. Just like the hobos they prefer the lifestyle and freedom......

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A lot of homeless have severe mental illness. Included but not limited to schizophrenia. Take a walk with me in any major city and I can point out symptoms of all sorts of psychosis. When I was doing work at a homeless shelter I tried to set a couple of patients up on disability. These were truly sick people. Homeless for decades, eating out of garbage cans, picking up butts of cigarettes to smoke them all the way down. Even on powerful antipsychotics they were still very ill. They wouldn't let me fill out the basic paperwork to get them help because they were that paranoid of the government. These destitute homeless people believed there was a team of CIA operatives following them. They literally felt safer on the streets...

See the Pianist with Jamie Lee Fox and that will give you a glimpse into their minds.

Yes, drug addicts and beggars are on the streets, however, the sickest ones are too scared to ask you for a handout.

Crispin

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

A lot of homeless have severe mental illness. Included but not limited to schizophrenia. Take a walk with me in any major city and I can point out symptoms of all sorts of psychosis. When I was doing work at a homeless shelter I tried to set a couple of patients up on disability. These were truly sick people. Homeless for decades, eating out of garbage cans, picking up butts of cigarettes to smoke them all the way down. Even on powerful antipsychotics they were still very ill. They wouldn't let me fill out the basic paperwork to get them help because they were that paranoid of the government. These destitute homeless people believed there was a team of CIA operatives following them. They literally felt safer on the streets...

See the Pianist with Jamie Lee Fox and that will give you a glimpse into their minds.

Yes, drug addicts and beggars are on the streets, however, the sickest ones are too scared to ask you for a handout.

Crispin

You ever stop to think their paranoia might actually be correct and accurate.

They are paranoid that they are being followed and watched and yet every aspect of our lives is now being monitored by the government, we are in fact being followed and watched just as they fear.

The worst part is half the people don't see anything wrong with it...

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