Crazy Piece / Crazy Hunt

[DoctorJones]

New permission yields massive haul in just one hour! Scrapers, drills, blades, weird tools and this thingymajig! Flint area of field measures roughly 100yrds wide by 300yrds long. So thick with flint it crunches with every step...Been hunting and collecting artifacts for roughly 30 years, never seen anything like this. Can't post every find but will post wierd and significant items I think may be of interest to the group.

 

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[T.C.]

"Looks like debitage & rocks. Post the points!"
Lol, are not the artifacts you find not rocks? I can assure you that everything brought home was uniquely made for a specific purpose having intricate chipping ,flaking and smoothing to ensure the user could accomplish his task and be comfortable doing it. I do not bring home chunk rock or river cobbles that have not been fashioned in some manner for a purpose, all however ARE rocks and NONE are debitage left over flake/chip pieces meant for the garbage pile. If all you look for are points sir, you're missing the story of the people and culture that had to survive by making stone tools, maybe you just don't know what to look for. I does take a trained eye to know the difference between between a plain rock and a fashioned/napped rock, don't worry, keep at this and with time, you to can identify "rocks" that have been worked by man for survival purposes. I have a large collection of points but personally find the tools, hammerstones etc, more exciting to find as you don't have a point without them. I also will occasionally bring home preforms to help show others the various stages of the napping process that are clearly on their way to be becoming an arrowhead, blade etc. I'm also part Osage and I guess just appreciate every napped item I come across as it tells a story of a person and time we know so little about... I'll post the points if I feel like it. Thanks for the reply![/QUOTE

Oh boy, here we go again...

 

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[Charl]

Don't worry Fred, I'm not angry! Opinions are great, matter of fact, ignorant statements are another matter... So many "rock" and debitage experts on here, it's hilarious! Thanks for the sound advice and comment!

This is in a vein that is familiar to long time posters here: "I am right. Therefore, if anyone here disagrees with me, I am free to ridicule them, with comments like "so many "rock" and debitage experts on here, it's hilarious". I can't tell you how many times we've seen this approach taken in response to a poster not hearing what he or she wants to hear.


In the first place, this is a simple put down of people with decades of experience in this area, IMHO. Of course, I can only really speak for myself. I started out earning a degree in geology, but switched to history in grad school. I do have decades of experience with rocks. Of all types. Rocks, minerals, fossils, meteorites, human artifacts. I've handled and collected them all at one time or another, for many decades. Does not mean I am infallible. Does not mean I cannot make mistakes. Does not mean I can answer any and every question regarding any of those many kinds of rocks. But it does mean any opinions I offer will stem from those same decades of experience. Calling them "hilarious" won't alter that 100% honest approach on my part. Or on the part of any other experienced individual on this forum. Absolutely nothing is gained putting down the good people on this forum.


But it is a common enough occurance on this forum to see people react to experienced opinions by pointing out, in so many words, that those experienced opinions are somehow laughable. Sometimes, I believe, IMHO, something called the Dunnng-Kruger Effect is in play when this approach is taken:


https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Dunning-Kruger_effect



I don't know if that is what is happening here. I do know that when a poster just blows off and laughs at decades of experience, by many people, that this is a very telling response.

 

[unclemac]

we are all very aware that that "points" are not the be-all and end-all native tool making and technology. We are all also aware that tools are made of "rocks". We are also all aware that lithics are not the only thing left behind by past cultures....just the most durable. You are still in the "kindergarten" phase of awareness...but before you take this as an insult...understand that we ALL have been there too!

 

[1320]

This is in a vein that is familiar to long time posters here: "I am right. Therefore, if anyone here disagrees with me, I am free to ridicule them, with comments like "so many "rock" and debitage experts on here, it's hilarious". I can't tell you how many times we've seen this approach taken in response to a poster not hearing what he or she wants to hear.


In the first place, this is a simple put down of people with decades of experience in this area, IMHO. Of course, I can only really speak for myself. I started out earning a degree in geology, but switched to history in grad school. I do have decades of experience with rocks. Of all types. Rocks, minerals, fossils, meteorites, human artifacts. I've handled and collected them all at one time or another, for many decades. Does not mean I am infallible. Does not mean I cannot make mistakes. Does not mean I can answer any and every question regarding any of those many kinds of rocks. But it does mean any opinions I offer will stem from those same decades of experience. Calling them "hilarious" won't alter that 100% honest approach on my part. Or on the part of any other experienced individual on this forum. Absolutely nothing is gained putting down the good people on this forum.


But it is a common enough occurance on this forum to see people react to experienced opinions by pointing out, in so many words, that those experienced opinions are somehow laughable. Sometimes, I believe, IMHO, something called the Dunnng-Kruger Effect is in play when this approach is taken:


https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Dunning-Kruger_effect



I don't know if that is what is happening here. I do know that when a poster just blows off and laughs at decades of experience, by many people, that this is a very telling response.

You touch on the very reasons that I seldom visit this site and this sub forum anymore. The disparaging remarks by newcomers are allowed to stick yet the rebuttals by long time members have to be carefully constructed and if not, the hammer falls.

 

[Hunter1499]

The types of negative comments here is why I’ve avoided this site for so long. I assume that most are armchair archaeologists who by way of finding arrowheads makes them an expert? Keep in mind that so called experts may only base their knowledge on other people’s posts. There are Facebook forums with professional archaeologists that are willing to help and provide better feedback. Give them a try-you May learn more there....

 

[smokeythecat]

Hunter1499, don't throw out the baby with the bath water.

 

[Tdog]

The types of negative comments here is why I’ve avoided this site for so long. I assume that most are armchair archaeologists who by way of finding arrowheads makes them an expert? Keep in mind that so called experts may only base their knowledge on other people’s posts. There are Facebook forums with professional archaeologists that are willing to help and provide better feedback. Give them a try-you May learn more there....

Then why did you stop avoiding this site now and take the opportunity to jump in on this thread? You're only stirring the pot with the negative comments YOU just made! Let me see if I can respond sensibly to you... The so called "negative comments" are valid responses to what was presented, your assumptions about armchair archaeologists are incorrect and have no basis, no one here claimed to be an expert, "other people" make very informative educational posts at times, Facebook is not the best place to be for this type of thing and we have professional archaeologists right here. In fact, I believe one responded in this very thread (nevermind, that was you--your minor in archaeology has not served you well.). Therefore, your advice may not be the best advice to take! Oh, and it's probably not a good idea to encourage any of the membership to leave Treasure Net and lure them to another site.

 

[quito]

Many times several attempts to remove a flake from a core will make a chunk or unusable flake that detaches look like a worked edge. Took me a while to figure that out, I’m not a knapper.

 

[GopherDaGold]

All I'm taking away from this is that those with the least amount of knowledge usually have the most to say.

 

[Relicgrubber]

Whoops!

I’m still waiting for the better picture(s) of the good rocks.

 

[DoctorJones]

I’m still waiting for the better picture(s) of the good rocks.

Just made two separate posts of close up shots...

 

[DoctorJones]

Yet you seem to have plenty of time to mention, (numerous times) that you will be back to post the real artifacts.

Just did Gopher, I work for a living and this is a past time activity, it takes a back seat to providing for my family...

 

[DoctorJones]

Agreed. Kind of soured me on the post and the poster. I was going to try to show pictures to help him out but I'm not wasting my time now.

You May have a few Scrapers or Tools in there but for the most part they look like debitage as others have said. Better pictures will help. Your thingamajig is just a naturally fractured piece of material.

Just made two new posts of close-ups...

 

[smokeythecat]

I'll look.

 

[Tdog]

All I'm taking away from this is that those with the least amount of knowledge usually have the most to say.

Ain't that the truth!

 

[T.C.]

Just did Gopher, I work for a living and this is a past time activity, it takes a back seat to providing for my family...

Uh-huh, the dog ate my homework too.

 

[DoctorJones]

Close-ups shots have been provided in new posts

 

[GopherDaGold]

Close-ups shots have been provided in new posts

I'll take a look later. After I've finished providing for my family.

 

[Fred250]

I not thinking I’m being bullied here, I like the back and forth and am happy to not be banned as I would be at other artifact sites where any creative thinking is shunned. I just got excited because doc had flint and my quartz stuff just won’t show up well in pics. Thanks for letting me get in my two cents.