Copper tool

[Mintberrycrunch]

Found on a river near known Indian mounds I was hoping copper culture probably wishful thinking any thoughts. Update after sending out a few emails to people dealing in bronze artifacts I may have a lead I'll post the email

 

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[White Wolf]

A broken knobstick ? Russian - KISTEN (кистень) https://www.google.ru/search?q=кист...2&ved=0ahUKEwiSqL-v3LHRAhWMKyYKHWsgCsoQsAQINA

 

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[BuckleBoy]

interesting images lots of alien looking drawings. Since the first second I picked this up I thought it was a broken handle/grip of some sort. However after closer examination I realized its way too small to be a handle for any average person and not broken it fits end to end in the width of my hand about 3.5 inches. That being said I still think it is a handle just not for a human hand idc how crazy it sounds this pic is the rendering from inside a ufo look at the creatures hand that's what I think it is prove me wrong. If you guys think it really looks like a grip look closely at the direction it runs the spiral would be the top.

Let me get this straight...you think this real item is a piece shown in an artist's conception of the inside of a UFO Hold on, I'm getting the popcorn.

 

[BuckleBoy]

I never even heard of the Minoans until I posted this. I did get in contact with an author from Greece that's all about Minoans in North America said he would have the experts take a look and let me know. Never did hear back though from the Minoan objects I've found online it does have a similar look. Who knows they are covered by the Rome/Greek department at the BM so if I ever hear back maybe that's what it is keep em crossed

that's strange. I'd imagine that anyone out to prove their "minoans in america" theory would be JUMPING at the chance to examine this item.

 

[Mintberrycrunch]

Let me get this straight...you think this real item is a piece shown in an artist's conception of the inside of a UFO Hold on, I'm getting the popcorn.

I was trying to get a reaction and make the point if it's a grip it's not for an adult human. Don't waste the popcorn I'm never going to find out what this thing is. And I agree that if he thought it had anything to do with his Minoan theory he would have contacted be by now. I'm just sharing the information I get good or bad or nothing at all. Sounds Dumb but this find has kinda taken the wind out of my sails it never crossed my mind I could find something that couldn't be identified and it bothers me that I can't. I'll wait a while longer then email the BM again if they don't reply or don't know what it is I'll continue my research else where.

 

[releventchair]

Mint, your composite is more a bronze than native copper...from Lake Superior area anyway.
Asenic,Iron ,silver, are found in copper from " local" sources.
Rules out natives crafting it pre-contact ,for me anyway.

That leaves a contact period forward timeline. And either trade,plunder , or more recent event placing it on recovery site.


With the " fork" end on your find being part of an open/ linked round,a foot (of multiple feet) for an object is possible?

Any further detecting of site?

 

[Mintberrycrunch]

Mint, your composite is more a bronze than native copper...from Lake Superior area anyway.
Asenic,Iron ,silver, are found in copper from " local" sources.
Rules out natives crafting it pre-contact ,for me anyway.

That leaves a contact period forward timeline. And either trade,plunder , or more recent event placing it on recovery site.


With the " fork" end on your find being part of an open/ linked round,a foot (of multiple feet) for an object is possible?

Any further detecting of site?

I never detected the site it was a surface find. It's really thick with overgrowth I should have a small window in very early spring. I'll give it a go. Only thing is I don't think it's a fragment of something its intact that's why it's such a mystery to me. I'll keep everyone posted if I turn anything up though

 

[cw0909]

i dont know what it is in your img you posted, here is 1 similar
roman, the romans used their med knowledge on the battlefield
for more info google....
Ancient Romans created various surgical instruments and techniques
maybe contact the British Museum, with img of your item, and the imgs
found on the net

img not sure i can post Getty copyright
http://media.gettyimages.com/photos...ents-at-the-british-museum-picture-id52598538
January 01, 1910 License
An array of ancient Roman surgical instruments at the British Museum,
circa 1910. Originating from all over the Roman Empire, the collection
includes a surgical saw, artery forceps, bronze instrument case, bistoury
(abscess knife), vulsellum (surgical pincers) and tenaculum (for closing
the edges of a wound).
source
Roman Medicine Pictures | Getty Images

maybe check with this site
https://www.mpm.edu/research-collec...search/greco-roman-medical-equipment-reprod-1

 

[Mintberrycrunch]

i dont know what it is in your img you posted, here is 1 similar
roman, the romans used their med knowledge on the battlefield
for more info google....
Ancient Romans created various surgical instruments and techniques
maybe contact the British Museum, with img of your item, and the imgs
found on the net

img not sure i can post Getty copyright
http://media.gettyimages.com/photos...ents-at-the-british-museum-picture-id52598538
January 01, 1910 License
An array of ancient Roman surgical instruments at the British Museum,
circa 1910. Originating from all over the Roman Empire, the collection
includes a surgical saw, artery forceps, bronze instrument case, bistoury
(abscess knife), vulsellum (surgical pincers) and tenaculum (for closing
the edges of a wound).
source
Roman Medicine Pictures | Getty Images

maybe check with this site
https://www.mpm.edu/research-collec...search/greco-roman-medical-equipment-reprod-1

The British museum already has the images. I have quite a few emails back and forth since October. Even copied in a request for a follow up over a month ago. I just haven't heard from him which makes me think it might be related to his department. Since I heard back from curators in other departments within a day saying they couldn't identify it and good luck. I'd feel weird sending them pictures of their collection. If it was nothing he would have told me right away. I even included a few screenshots of emails from other museums that couldn't ID it so they know I've put some time in trying to figure it out and was told to contact them for help.

 

[Mintberrycrunch]

Spiral goddess what do you guys think?

 

[releventchair]

Pretty recent design. 1970' s maybe.

 

[Mintberrycrunch]

So everyone knows I have been waiting for some information from the BM here's an email. After this I explained where and how I found it. His reply was he passed it along to the duty curator. Waited until December with no response hit them up again. He requested a follow up and I'm still waiting. I don't want to bug them I feel like until I hear back they might be looking into it. How long would you guys wait before sending another email? Follow up request sent on December 8th

 

[Charlie P. (NY)]

I'd give up 200 posts ago.

 

[Mintberrycrunch]

I'd give up 200 posts ago.

I'm sure you would Charlie P from south central upstate NY. I can tell from ur impressive list of detectors and lack of impressive finds u give up easily. If it was a crusty brake pad you would probably be more helpful. Thanks for being so helpful dik.

 

[Charlie P. (NY)]

Oh, ow. The 15 year old hurt my feelings.

I spend my clad, save my silver and toss my junk. No images necessary. ;-)

Maybe the assistant deputy back-up curator who ends up with your letter can help?

 

[HenryWaltonJonesJr]

Did you attempt to contact America Unearthed yet?

 

[Mintberrycrunch]

Did you attempt to contact America Unearthed yet?

No I haven't tried just about everywhere else though. Thanks for the comment. And Charlie I'm in my 30s I just write like a 15 year old I work with my hands I've never spent much time emailing uploading and so on. Just one more thing I've learned from this amazing hobby

 

[Mintberrycrunch]

One year and one day since I posted this. I'm waiting to hear back from the BM before I contact any other museums. So happy one year anniversary

 

[Engineer in MD]

I have to agree with MCL, that based on the composition analysis, it is red brass, or essentially brass with lead added. Even the page you posted about roman pieces listed lead as less than 0.5% where this analysis shows 2.1%. This is intentionally added lead which makes it industrial revolution modern.

I also think it may be an ornate key or opener of some kind, based on your observation of the twist built into the prongs.

Still would love to know what it really was for...

 

[Mintberrycrunch]

That's I pretty good match too. I'm glad you agree it's a key of sorts I would also love to know what it opened. If it is red brass that will make figuring out its age a lot easier. However I didn't find any red brass composition with all five cu zn pb sn fe

 

[Engineer in MD]

Several red brasses have 4 of those elements, Cu, Zn, Sn, and Pb although not in the exact percentages but fairly close. I looked at Wikipedia at the last table on the page. Of course, those are modern alloys listed. Before alloy standards came in use, every foundry had their own recipes for metal alloys that varied a little from what the next foundry used. The Fe (iron) in the analysis could be either contamination from the crucible or a deliberate "recipe" addition. We may never know, unless someone comes up with a matching part with known history to it.

Also, did you get a chance to re analyze it with 3 tests in different locations? Just curious.