Copper tool

[Mintberrycrunch]

Found on a river near known Indian mounds I was hoping copper culture probably wishful thinking any thoughts. Update after sending out a few emails to people dealing in bronze artifacts I may have a lead I'll post the email

 

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[Lasercats]

Could it be an ancient teething ring for a toddler?

WOAH that was literally my first thought when I saw it lol.

 

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[Mintberrycrunch]

Could it be an ancient teething ring for a toddler?

If they say it's an ancient teething ring I'll mail it to you. But whats the open end for?

 

[2Minnesota]

Looks like it could be the dangle thing that hangs inside of a bell. The open round piece could've attached inside the top of the bell? Just another guess.

 

[GopherDaGold]

It looks like the standard handle/ring design still used today. The open end which is closed on modern rings, is the actual teething part. The handle looks like it is made to fit smaller hands and easy to grip.

 

[tamrock]

I found this when research about native american copper. That swirl thing look similar.
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The swirl design was commonly used in native american culture in that time. I wouldn't completely dismiss it being native.

That's what I was thinking. Not only is very old swirl art found on the rocks and artifacts of North America, but these swirls said to be 5000 years old are found on rocks in Scotland. My guess is this item is a one-off handmade teardrop drawer pull from the arts and craft era, but I wouldn't hold my breath on that assessment either. It is a mystery that hopefully will be solved someday? Nothing but guess work is all we've had in this post.

 

[Mintberrycrunch]

It looks like the standard handle/ring design still used today. The open end which is closed on modern rings, is the actual teething part. The handle looks like it is made to fit smaller hands and easy to grip.

I also pointed out it looks like a grip for a small hand but look closely the grip goes in the opposite direction the spiral end would be the top.

 

[Mintberrycrunch]

That's what I was thinking. Not only is very old swirl art found on the rocks and artifacts of North America, but these swirls said to be 5000 years old are found on rocks in Scotland. My guess is this item is a one-off handmade teardrop drawer pull from the arts and craft era, but I wouldn't hold my breath on that assessment either. It is a mystery that hopefully will be solved someday? Nothing but guess work is all we've had in this post.

I think the British museum will know what it is or will be able to tell me something ranked 5th best museum in the world from this site and is in the top 10 in the world on every other list I've checked out if they don't know if be surprised

 

[CRUSADER]

I think the British museum will know what it is or will be able to tell me something ranked 5th best museum in the world from this site and is in the top 10 in the world on every other list I've checked out if they don't know if be surprised

I bet they don't

 

[HenryWaltonJonesJr]

Maybe an Art museum? The Art Institute in Chicago is among the best.

The Art Institute of Chicago

 

[tamrock]

I bet they don't

I know what your saying. Some of the folks on staff at some of the museum's I've visited, can only tell you things about what they have in their collection at that's it.

 

[Mintberrycrunch]

I know what your saying. Some of the folks on staff at some of the museum's I've visited, can only tell you things about what they have in their collection at that's it.

Well I hope you guys are wrong and since they have over 7 million objects maybe they have something similar and with me finding out the composition seems like that would help. On the other hand the two departments I already talked with didn't know what it was. Apparently cru is the only person qualified to speculate as to its age. Even though he's wrong about it being broken and its much older than he's trying to say it is.

 

[coinman123]

It is a mystery that hopefully will be solved someday? Nothing but guess work is all we've had in this post.

Well, after seeing the brass acorn thread, it seems that it is possible to solve an item completly accurately after 26 pages
http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/what/20937-brass-acorn-solved.html

 

[CRUSADER]

Well I hope you guys are wrong and since they have over 7 million objects maybe they have something similar and with me finding out the composition seems like that would help. On the other hand the two departments I already talked with didn't know what it was. Apparently cru is the only person qualified to speculate as to its age. Even though he's wrong about it being broken and its much older than he's trying to say it is.

I'm not qualified in anything, that's why I can speculate on items I see which have no other 'known' (to me) comparable's. I have a few BM contacts, but its like anything, you have to hit the right person & with something as bespoke as this, it may never happen.

 

[coinman123]

I'm not qualified in anything, that's why I can speculate on items I see which have no other 'known' (to me) comparable's. I have a few BM contacts, but its like anything, you have to hit the right person & with something as bespoke as this, it may never happen.

Yup, I assume when the first dinosaur fossil was found even the most experienced person had little to no idea what it could be. With nothing to compare an item to, any guess is as good as another. With no backing behind your guess (due to nothing to compare it to) any guess has the same quality. I know a lot of basic info about coins after 1600, but if you try to show me (and most other coin people, including experts) some unique pattern of a coin that is not in any books, the chances of me identifying it are very very very low.

 

[coinman123]

In 1676, a curator of an English museum, said that a (dinosaur) thigh bone at the museum, belonged to a giant person. That was the first known account of a dinosaur fossil. In the early 1800's it was believed that dinosaur teeth belonged to a giant iguana.

As you can see it is very hard to make a guess on something when it is the first of it's kind known. Without further information it would be very hard to identify it. When an entire skeleton of a species was found, they were able to see where single bones found came from. Hopefully some museum has an item in their archives, similar to the OP's. I think that is going to be one of the only ways to identify it. I can't find anything about it online.

 

[Mintberrycrunch]

I'm not qualified in anything, that's why I can speculate on items I see which have no other 'known' (to me) comparable's. I have a few BM contacts, but its like anything, you have to hit the right person & with something as bespoke as this, it may never happen.

sorry if I came off snippy in my last post I myself expected you to be able to identify this with ease I'm sure a few others as well. That's why you were the first person I sent a PM a few months ago. Thank you for your interest and any input

 

[Mintberrycrunch]

It looks like the standard handle/ring design still used today. The open end which is closed on modern rings, is the actual teething part. The handle looks like it is made to fit smaller hands and easy to grip.

7th page 8th comment I bring up it fitting a small hand

 

[SkaBa]

Thanks for removing the 'Solved', there's a lot of people interested in this.

 

[tamrock]

Maybe an Art museum? The Art Institute in Chicago is among the best.

The Art Institute of Chicago

I thought we were the best on the subject of what it is . After a few more it'll come to one of us.

 

[HenryWaltonJonesJr]

I thought we were the best on the subject of what it is . After a few more it'll come to one of us.

The best at identifying any sort of art. We're best at IDing anything with dirt on it!