Copper tool

[Mintberrycrunch]

Found on a river near known Indian mounds I was hoping copper culture probably wishful thinking any thoughts. Update after sending out a few emails to people dealing in bronze artifacts I may have a lead I'll post the email

 

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[Mintberrycrunch]

First off it's definitely not copper culture because it's to detailed and the standard heavy verdigris is absent as to what it is your guess is as good as mine.

Regards + HH

Bill

im a little late to the party but what pics are u looking at this thing is green as green can be?

 

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[Mintberrycrunch]

I won't post anything until I get some new information but I would like to point out the email I posted back in April is this guy who runs this gallery I'm on the list now I get promotions a few times a week now. Sucks go to jeweler to get something tested end up buying something send an email looking for help and now I want a megladon tooth I'm hopeless

 

[Mintberrycrunch]

Started sending out more emails to museums and universities got another reply. Still no word from Janet

 

[Mintberrycrunch]

It will be interesting to see what they say

 

[Mintberrycrunch]

I should of saw this coming I'll still keep trying though

 

[Mintberrycrunch]

This is what she said when I asked about the composition. At least she didn't say it wasn't ancient. No one has contacted me since

 

[mcl]

For what it's worth, I posted all the pictures and information from this thread to another website I have used to get finds identified. It has the benefit of high exposure and fast responses. On the other hand, the posts don't move to the top of the forum the same way they do here, so threads don't last very long (~24 hours) unless they are "popular", which is hit and miss. Anyway, in that period of time the post got several hundred views but just a handful of replies. The notable ones included:

1) "Bottle opener" ()
2) "Celtic religious token" (lol)
3) A "rowlock, but it would have to be for a mini boat".
4) "A key".

So, basically nothing new beyond what has been suggested here, other than the rowlock which is of course absurd given the size of the piece.

I tried anyway. So there's that.

 

[releventchair]

I'm not claiming it is related to the mounds near where recovered.
Have you researched the people and their art!
It does not seem run of the mill utilitarian ,like say a fork or knife today , but more an art or craft for a different use than plain domestic routine.
Straightening a atlatl dart or arrow for example while heating repeatedly, while not uncommon could be a special task and a special tool would enhance the craft.
Not saying that was it's use heck I still don't know who used it let alone made it.

 

[Mintberrycrunch]

I'm not claiming it is related to the mounds near where recovered.
Have you researched the people and their art!
It does not seem run of the mill utilitarian ,like say a fork or knife today , but more an art or craft for a different use than plain domestic routine.
Straightening a atlatl dart or arrow for example while heating repeatedly, while not uncommon could be a special task and a special tool would enhance the craft.
Not saying that was it's use heck I still don't know who used it let alone made it.

from what I read it was several mounds some were moved and some were excavated. I did look into the finds that were recovered lots of cool stuff shark teeth,carved bone, points but nothing like this. Also I was talking to a metallurgist as well he couldn't even tell me how it was made he said he thinks it's cast but he didn't see anything in the pictures that without a doubt proves it. Janet also said It appears to be cast but nothing concrete. These museum ppl are hard to deal with they don't speculate so when they don't recognize the object it's hard to get any other information out of them

 

[Mintberrycrunch]

Since that last lady brought up Romans I found the composition of some coins that are very close to the composition of the object

 

[sutphin]

INTERESTING FIND ..

 

[Mintberrycrunch]

INTERESTING FIND ..

Thank you it's an oopart so rare no one knows what it is lol

 

[can]

https://www.bing.com/images/search?...&thid=OIP.Mfc8fd27b710409ae7aab91d1eefc7be4o0

I know nothing but this is as close as I could come trying to figure out this thing. A bell clapper. Not exact, but close.

 

[mcl]

I've found all sorts of matches lately.

 

[Mintberrycrunch]

One of my more recent contacts put me in touch with this place I should hear back in a few days I have high hopes

 

[CRUSADER]

My first impressions still stand, funny thing is I thought it looked brassy but a bit off.
100-250 years old.
Broken looped.

As India has a long tradition of hand making/castings brass, this maybe an road to follow.....

 

[Muddyhandz]

Key ring

Cool find! It sure is a stumper.
Funny, I just read this whole thread for the first time this morning and now, half a day later.....
I happened to open a book that I wanted to read and it just happened to be this page.......





What are the odds! I know several mentioned some sort of key but how about a "key ring?"
Did the Universe send me an answer or am I mad? (actually, I am a little insane!)
Sorry about the bad pictures but if someone now searches with that "key" word they may find better examples as these were iron.
Cheers.
Looking at it again probably not but maybe?

 

[releventchair]

I don't recall the war ,or dates that caused a period of isolation for the French near the Soo, or the straits of Mackinac.
Anyway, some one discussing fur trade items claimed lead items were sand cast in an attempt to provide a substitute for pewter or silver goods they were short of without supplies.
Brass could be from gun parts ect. Brass was another item recycled and bits and pieces saved.

Not saying any of that relates to Mint's find , or that the French cast brass here ...Crusaders post sparked a feeble memory...

 

[Mintberrycrunch]

My first impressions still stand, funny thing is I thought it looked brassy but a bit off.
100-250 years old.
Broken looped.

As India has a long tradition of hand making/castings brass, this maybe an road to follow.....

I'll look into that you also said it looks healed what does that mean exactly? Also the composition looks very similar to some Roman coins any thoughts on that? Might be wishful thinking but if it is only 100-250 years old seems like I would have identified it by now. Would you agree the composition doesn't look like anything modern?

 

[Mintberrycrunch]

looks broken & healed in my experience.

Will you please let me know what you mean by healed? Or can anyone else explain this?