Confrontations - I got ran off the beach tonight

[Charles (Upstate NY)]

Hey Charles,
I figured out why the guy was so pissed at you. You know that nice diamond ring you found, might have been his wife's...LOL
You know I'm only kidding with you, but seriously, next time you detect that beach carry some dog biscuts in your back pocket just in case.

Just wondering also:
Where is there beaches in western NY?

Now that's too funny! lol Cody I moved to the coast back in April of this year and no longer live in NY.

 

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[pgill]

I would not carry dog biscuits in my back pocket, the dog might have your A#$%^ before you can get them out..... Umm go late at night and dig a ruddy great big hole in the sand just outside his gate then make a big noise and call him a A@#$%^ when he comes out.... then when he falls in the hole, bury him (I can dream cant I )

God bless
Peter

 

[Functional]

Charles, I've been in a similar situation in the past and while I don't want to incriminate myself by going into details, suffice to say it turned out better for me than for the other person. Fortunately for me there were independent witnesses. But, personally, I would have preferred that the incident never took place.

Since that previous incident, I've thought on what else I could have done to prevent a repeat performance from happening and what I could do if such an incident happened again and I didn't happen to find a witness. So, after reading this and based that past experiences, I'm seriously thinking of carrying either my mini digital camera, or my micro cassette recorder, both of which accept my rather small and sensitive external microphone. And any time I encounter a situation, I'll record it surreptitiously so that, just in case I have to report an incident, I'll have evidence to back it up.

Considering all the other equipment I carry, I think it would be good insurance to pack around this little extra weight. (I don't know how sensitive camera type cell phone microphones are at a distance, but some have external microphone plugs and even firewire options, so those that have them, might consider that an option.)

F.

 

[DFX-SE Gregg]

Charles I can tell you all you want to know about confrontations in my line of work.....some of the stories you would not even believe!

Remember this guy was a goof! You did the right thing...he might of had a knife or gun and if he used it who would be your witness? Remember your surroundings and if this guy actually threatened you that is an assault! If he attacked you and you got injured....all you would have is my 99% of the time bad clad stories! But I did have a good day today! Hey be safe out there brother! Don't do anything that might get yourself hurt...and yes in dark or secluded areas carry the cell phone! With me it is a weight issue...so I also leave in car to much...Maybe because it is hot not sure...I have been hearing a few smart comments...I just pretend I don't hear most of them...just like when I am at work!

 

[EDDE]

carry a flare pistol
shot a flare
someone will come
or leave on fire

 

[aa battery]

Most bikers are ok but its the 1%ers that i wonder about.Maybe you looked like an easy target or the guy was just a bully.He would of been more of a man to talk to you than to use the F word.A few of these guys that look mean and talk mean are just scared little boys at heart.Through the years i have seen many different bikers and many clubs.Here in my hometown a new chapter of H.A. tried to act out the old days and now they are in prison.Walk away like i do because you cant reason with guys like that. 8) AA

 

[Ricardo_NY1]

Hey Charles, good thing this confrontation didn't end in a bad way.I don't mind dogs, or considerate dog owners, but just too many people think their f*&ing dogs are entitled to run all over the place, etc. This story reminds me of the constant battle it is fishing in Central Park. Not only do these old money people who think they own the park let their dogs run loose (Against the rules & clearly posted), but they will throw a stick or ball straight into the water 3 feet from where anyone is fishing so their dog can jump in there (Also against the rules) and grab it. I should hook someone's dog someday to teach these people a lesson. In short, they're inconsiderate and what makes me fume is thinking of the bass nests that get destroyed with those dogs jumping in there.

 

[AeroMike]

This why it is nice to be big also, lol

I can honestly say that I have yet to have anyone run their mouth off to me. I do not understand why people have to act like this.

You definately did the right thing in this situation. The only bit of advice I can give you is this; next time you are there and you notice either the lady or the guy, and they disappear, you best keep an eye on your vehicle.

I sure hope you never run into another one like this.


Mike

 

[Born2Dtect]

I guess I am lucky. All the dogs I have seen while detecting liked me; If they only knew? And I stand at 6'0" so I don,t get a lot of guff from people. Personally I am likely to not confront anyone unless they back me into a corner and don,t give me an out. There will always be another day. I can either come back when they are not there or come back better prepared, My Choice.

Ed D.

 

[Stormtrooper154]

Hey Charles, good thing this confrontation didn't end in a bad way.I don't mind dogs, or considerate dog owners, but just too many people think their f*&ing dogs are entitled to run all over the place, etc. This story reminds me of the constant battle it is fishing in Central Park. Not only do these old money people who think they own the park let their dogs run loose (Against the rules & clearly posted), but they will throw a stick or ball straight into the water 3 feet from where anyone is fishing so their dog can jump in there (Also against the rules) and grab it. I should hook someone's dog someday to teach these people a lesson. In short, they're inconsiderate and what makes me fume is thinking of the bass nests that get destroyed with those dogs jumping in there.

I agree, however hooking the dog for playing will only cause the dog physical pain for just playing. It's not the dogs fault! Whale Harpoon the owner, I don't care LOL But little fluffy was just getting the stick that was thrown by its jackass owner.

 

[Montana Jim]

Hey Charles, good thing this confrontation didn't end in a bad way.I don't mind dogs, or considerate dog owners, but just too many people think their f*&ing dogs are entitled to run all over the place, etc. This story reminds me of the constant battle it is fishing in Central Park. Not only do these old money people who think they own the park let their dogs run loose (Against the rules & clearly posted), but they will throw a stick or ball straight into the water 3 feet from where anyone is fishing so their dog can jump in there (Also against the rules) and grab it. I should hook someone's dog someday to teach these people a lesson. In short, they're inconsiderate and what makes me fume is thinking of the bass nests that get destroyed with those dogs jumping in there.

I agree, however hooking the dog for playing will only cause the dog physical pain for just playing. It's not the dogs fault! Whale Harpoon the owner, I don't care LOL But little fluffy was just getting the stick that was thrown by its jackass owner.

Shoulda picked the stick up and tossed it even further... LOL

 

[Ricardo_NY1]

I know storm, it's not the dogs fault, I wouldn't do that to an animal anyways. Harpooning the owner with a big ol crankbait does sound a possiblity one day.

Hey Charles, good thing this confrontation didn't end in a bad way.I don't mind dogs, or considerate dog owners, but just too many people think their f*&ing dogs are entitled to run all over the place, etc. This story reminds me of the constant battle it is fishing in Central Park. Not only do these old money people who think they own the park let their dogs run loose (Against the rules & clearly posted), but they will throw a stick or ball straight into the water 3 feet from where anyone is fishing so their dog can jump in there (Also against the rules) and grab it. I should hook someone's dog someday to teach these people a lesson. In short, they're inconsiderate and what makes me fume is thinking of the bass nests that get destroyed with those dogs jumping in there.

I agree, however hooking the dog for playing will only cause the dog physical pain for just playing. It's not the dogs fault! Whale Harpoon the owner, I don't care LOL But little fluffy was just getting the stick that was thrown by its jackass owner.

 

[DFX-SE Gregg]

Yesterday just after I found the rings and I was feeling good.....some lady decided to throw the ball for her dog...well guess I was in a bad spot...the tennis ball bounced off my detector...I just looked up.... a few minutes later her son decided to hit the tennis ball with a golf club...you guessed it it hit me! Again I just looked up...at least this time she said she was sorry! As big as that park was somehow this lady managed to hit my detector and (well her son) then me with a ball! Well earlier i could hear a guy shouting at his dog Maurice for not listening of course Maurice worked his way over to me and tried to pee on the coil!< Not the first time this has happened I was able to get the coil out of the way! Maurice looked disappointed but kept peeing! These are the joys we have to put up with....

 

[Stormtrooper154]

Yesterday just after I found the rings and I was feeling good.....some lady decided to throw the ball for her dog...well guess I was in a bad spot...the tennis ball bounced off my detector...I just looked up.... a few minutes later her son decided to hit the tennis ball with a golf club...you guessed it it hit me! Again I just looked up...at least this time she said she was sorry! As big as that park was somehow this lady managed to hit my detector and (well her son) then me with a ball! Well earlier i could hear a guy shouting at his dog Maurice for not listening of course Maurice worked his way over to me and tried to pee on the coil!< Not the first time this has happened I was able to get the coil out of the way! Maurice looked disappointed but kept peeing! These are the joys we have to put up with....

Hehehehe...Dang dog! Should have peed on his ball LOL

 

[Monty]

"We", the community, just buried a local 33 year old tough guy a couple of weeks ago. There was a traffic dispute and the tough guy followed a 74 year old man into a park parking lot and threatened to beat the old dude. Witnesses said the old man tried to back down and was chased around his car about 3 times. The fourth time around the tough guy got a .38 special right in the ten ring. The old dude had a concealed carry permit and even warned the young tough guy but he didn't listen. Justified said the courts. I am not quite that old but I am gimped up enough that I couldn't risk a beating as it would probably cripple me for life or kill me due to the nature of my infirmity. I can't run around my car 3 times and rarely go anywhere without my legal .45 auto. Even though I would be justified in defending myself with deadly force I would do everything within my power to avoid killing another human being. But I would as a last resort. Some states have a law that states you must retreat and anything else would make you guilty of homicide...not necesarily murder, but perhaps a lesser charge such as manslaughter. My state has the so called "Make my day" law that does not require you to retreat. It only states that you must fear for your life or that of another. It was very controversial at the time but passed. Ditto, defending your home from an intruder, same law alpplies. Only you can decide whether to retreat or if you would. You did the right and sensible thing as far as I am concerned. No matter if you had been justified, in standing your ground it would have been your word against some hysterical female if the situation had escalated. And being unarmed and alone made it even worse. Good for you. Monty

 

[JRich98150]

Personally? .... I think it would be sort of hard to try to metal detect on the beach when the detector is wrapped around your neck. Clint Eastwood said it best: "Ya gotta know your limits." Packing a piece may even the odds but it can also bring about it's own special problems once it has been displayed. Creeps can be found everywhere and it's usually best just to avoid them if possible. My personal defense "surge" is to run faster, swing the detector higher and throw plenty of the pop tops or heavier scrap at them on my way out. I realize in some cases this might not work but it's much better than litigation, stress and attorneys. I've had a couple but-in butt-wipes hassle me and even though I was nice and respectful which might have been more than they deserved I still felt bothered or bugged for a couple of days. I tried out some different spots and they worked out much better for me and what I was trying to find. Luckly I have yet to call on my personal defense initiative but when detecting alone you have to have some sort of a back up plan. Oh yeah, I also take my cell phone along. I liked the two part cell phone reply

 

[gallileo60]

Most biker type people are pretty cool, and dont go out of their way to bother anyone...He must have just been a jerk...Its a shame tho there is a biker stereo type....They come in all walks of life, even fellow metal detectorist like myself.Tom

 

[Monty]

The term "Biker" covers a lot of stereotyped people and usually has a negative connotation to non-bikers unfortunately. Many still dress like the notorious Hells Angels and I don't think that helps the image much even for the ones who aren't of that ilk. This is so engrained in the memory of those of us who are middle aged and older that it's hard to put aside. The typical biker dress I am talking about is the cut off jean jacket with the Harley patch on the back, rag tied around the head and heavy engineering type boots, low slung blue jeans with the big chain wallet, gloves with the fingers cut out, etc. as well as the popularity of tatooing now days. What I am wondering, and it's not meant to be a putdown is, why do many honest to gosh nice guys put on that getup when they get on that bike? I know several professional , well educated and or honest to gosh hard working blue colar guys who do that. I use to have a big bike myself and it got to be that everytime I got on it some one tried to run me down, turn in front of me or just act like I was invisible that I had to quit riding it for fear of my life. I always wore a helmet but one day the only time I ever went down I was just running to the store and had on a pair of shorts. Luckily I wasn't going very fast and my front wheel got hung up between two railroad tracks at an open switch. The front wheel made a sudden stop and the rearend caught up with it! When the hide finally grew back on my knees and elbows and one hand you can bet I had on all the safety equipment I could afford the next time I got up nerve enough to ride it! Well, I'm drifting off into story telling time again, but the dressup deal was what I was wondering about most. Monty

 

[gallileo60]

The term "Biker" covers a lot of stereotyped people and usually has a negative connotation to non-bikers unfortunately. Many still dress like the notorious Hells Angels and I don't think that helps the image much even for the ones who aren't of that ilk. This is so engrained in the memory of those of us who are middle aged and older that it's hard to put aside. The typical biker dress I am talking about is the cut off jean jacket with the Harley patch on the back, rag tied around the head and heavy engineering type boots, low slung blue jeans with the big chain wallet, gloves with the fingers cut out, etc. as well as the popularity of tatooing now days. What I am wondering, and it's not meant to be a putdown is, why do many honest to gosh nice guys put on that getup when they get on that bike? I know several professional , well educated and or honest to gosh hard working blue colar guys who do that. I use to have a big bike myself and it got to be that everytime I got on it some one tried to run me down, turn in front of me or just act like I was invisible that I had to quit riding it for fear of my life. I always wore a helmet but one day the only time I ever went down I was just running to the store and had on a pair of shorts. Luckily I wasn't going very fast and my front wheel got hung up between two railroad tracks at an open switch. The front wheel made a sudden stop and the rearend caught up with it! When the hide finally grew back on my knees and elbows and one hand you can bet I had on all the safety equipment I could afford the next time I got up nerve enough to ride it! Well, I'm drifting off into story telling time again, but the dressup deal was what I was wondering about most. Monty

Alot of the dress is for good reasons, the wallet with chain is to keep from loosing your wallet on the road..The boots protect your feet in a accident, the jeans jackets, and leather also help out...Head band keeps hair in place..Cut out fingers so you can still feel the throttle while being somewhat protected...Guys that are real riders could tell you more about it..I am a week end warrior type...BTW, it does have a certain amount to do with image...there are good reasons for most of the dress...Tom

 

[txkickergirl]

a taser does wonders not only to the dog...but for bike burly biker dudes too.


Need to add....tase and run like hell!