Basic signs and symbols you have found

[Old Dog]

Re: Basic Spanish signs and symbols you have found

Vlady,

I was hoping there would be an attempt to read this.
For those who have been following My posts and some others ...
all the info is here.

First lets start with the cross, It is the largest and most prominent sign, and the A points to it.
It is a Latin cross on a church pedastal. This says that the cache involved may well be church articles.

The 7 says start early, so yes it is a camp here sign.
The 8 is designated twice.
Pretty sure they are using a Cordel as a measure.
There are three different types of Cordel
a Cordel menor which is 10 varas or 27.4 feet
a Cordel media which is 50 varas or 137.1 feet
a Cordel mayor which is 69 varas or 189 feet
Any of the above x 8.

The hole symbol (that thing that looks like handlebars) is open
It was not filled in. Although it may be covered with a large stone
and yes you will have to follow more signs.

 

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[minetres]

Re: Basic Spanish signs and symbols you have found

Vlady,

Old Dog is right on the money with his interpitation follow in the direction of the top of the cross I would say. Some very good treasure has been found close to a cross like this.

Minetres

 

[Springfield]

Re: Basic Spanish signs and symbols you have found

..... The hole symbol (that thing that looks like handlebars) ...

It's a snake - a good sign.

 

[Old Dog]

Re: Basic Spanish signs and symbols you have found

OD,

If you dont mind me asking, what program are you using to achieve the negative from the photo? I have a few that I would like to "analyze" further...

Clay

I PMed you Buddy.

 

[Old Dog]

Re: Basic Spanish signs and symbols you have found

..... The hole symbol (that thing that looks like handlebars) ...

It's a snake - a good sign.

I agree that a snake is a good sign and very directional.
But when a snake is used in any form it has a head,
either on the sign or depicted as cut off separate from the sign next to it showing it as dead.

This one has neither that I can see.

 

[Old Dog]

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The second depiction of 8 in the picture may be wrong.
There is a bar connecting each of the four bars, this could mean 10.
The more I think about it the more I believe I would try this first,
as it confirms my initial idea of 8 X 10

 

[vlady]

Re: Basic Spanish signs and symbols you have found

Hello old dog, lets see if I understand your interpretation, each vertical line means a vara, and the orizontal is multiple of 10, towards the left of the cross, because the longer the arm wing of the photo, which I do not understand is that they are multiples of 10. Why? 69 varas

8 VARAS x 10
I will send a new picture
the rock is under the red point.

 

[Old Dog]

Re: Basic Spanish signs and symbols you have found

Vlady,
Please understand, I am giving you all the clues,
I am not there and cannot solve this for you.
If I did ... I would be robbing you of one of the greatest experiences you can experience.
Solving it yourself.Whether you find an empty hole or a treasure trove.
the experience is very important.

It appears to be a method of marking Cordels.
The cordel mayor is a rarely used measurement but I never leave it out.
You have seen tally marks such as four bars with a slash through them
the slash under them may mean the same thing.
4 with a slash is 5, x 2 = 10 or cordel menor



The signs are there, I noticed the cairn with the flat stone pointing at this marker. as well as others.
Use what is in these threads, this one as well as others. and your picture will come clear.
the more you follow these the better you will become at it.
There are more signs leading away and to the site location where this treasure was kept and still may be.

I must go get ready for work.

 

[Old Dog]

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When one attempts to decipher number signs, does one used the standard english alphabet or the traditional spanish alphabet? For example, 8=G or 8=H. Thank you in advance....

Clay,
use the Spanish Alphabet.
But the trick is usually to find the number that corresponds to the letter.
not the other way around.
A=1
B=2
C=3
etc ...

When chasing KGC use the engish alphabet.

When dealing with letters such as A ... can also mean the beginning or alpha.
Hope this helps some
In another post where the A was present, one of the legs of the A was a pointer and told which sign to start with.

 

[Old Dog]

Re: Basic Spanish signs and symbols you have found

Thanks Clay.
Hope you can get it to work.

 

[vlady]

Re: Basic Spanish signs and symbols you have found

Old dog, thanks for your help, I'll get to work, hopefully have a good discovery, I'll call you if I had success with many thanks I will send you photos, I hope that either gold or silver coins or bars only have one more question which means KGC

 

[Springfield]

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The two mines on the ridge in the distance and the rock corral near the carving change things (photo, post 1454). I would do some courthouse research to try to determine all you can pertaining to the mining claims that existed there (claim name(s), locators, dates, boundaries, corner descriptions, etc). If you're diligent, you should be able to find this info in the Recorders Office (may have been a different county, depending on the date, than now). If you're lucky, there may be some sort of a map. If you're extremely lucky, it may be a patented claim and will have a mineral survey of the claim(s) with all improvements mapped. Armed with all the documentation available, you'll be in a much better position to ponder this rock carving.

 

[Springfield]

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I gotta question that came to me today. It actually relates to the last photo post, and coincidently this one site I had been working. Here it goes.... How close would the Spanish store their gold to where they would mine it? Gold is heavy, so travel would be difficult in large amounts, especially over distance. But mining, as indicated above, is messy. So therefore visible over distance. If they store it close to where they get it, the just look to where they get it and you'll find where they store it. Analytically, it would seem there would be three different types of sites: the mine, the foundry and the vault. When in the bush, I try to be the bushman. This is what I came up with...

Clay

You are on the right track. Rationality is a good thing.

 

[Springfield]

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Speaking of, I guess, has anyone ever seen a spanish site used as a foundry? That would be pretty cool as well, from an anthropological point of view anyhow. Everyday I get closer and closer to being in the "mind" of one of these crafty fellows. Hence, the better questions being asked... You guys are great. Miller time at my house when you can swing through.

Clay

Many posters claim they've found 'Spanish smelters'. They haven't. They've found old walls, stonework, charcoal roasters, camp cook sites, etc. If you're lucky, the only 'Spanish' recovery structure you may find would be an arrastra (picture of one in ruins below). And even the arrastras found in the Southwest are very rarely 'Spanish'. These crude mills were used by Anglo and Mexican miners all the way into the 1930's.

 

[Old Dog]

Re: Basic Spanish signs and symbols you have found

I agree with Sprinfield.
very few arrastras will be found in original shape,
the miners that used them would dissassemble them to get what gold or silver worked into cracks and joints.
if they were smart enough to build one they were smart enough to know the properties of what they were after.

 

[Old Dog]

Re: Basic Spanish signs and symbols you have found

Old dog, thanks for your help, I'll get to work, hopefully have a good discovery, I'll call you if I had success with many thanks I will send you photos, I hope that either gold or silver coins or bars only have one more question which means KGC

Vlady,

The KGC was a secret society (similar to the Masons) that was exclusivly Southern Confederate States affiliation.
US Civil War era group. Supposedly they hid many treasures hoping to provide for another uprising.
Very contraversial.

 

[vlady]

Re: Basic Spanish signs and symbols you have found

I think if I'm feeling lucky, and I'm on track

 

[Old Dog]

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good luck on your quest,
Buena suerte amigo.
Con Dios.

 

[hadji009]

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here are a couple more numbers. thanks brent

 

[cw0909]

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dsty
been looking for the program i use to use 2 puters ago, it worked with XP
it had an emboss feature
here are the files of a
embossed from a scan of a pic
i think it could help with some of the scans/pics you have and others have
sorry its not yours the best i could do is #3