Basic signs and symbols you have found

[Old Dog]

A little rehash of some information, since some of you are finding some of the late Spring and mid summer signs this time of year.

an excerpt
from an email sent to me. Hope it helps some of you ...

Understanding solstice.

There are some treasure hunters who hold a faulty understanding of "shadow signs" that is based on something like the winter solstice that occures on 21 or 22 December each year. The following is a small ballistic missile that destroys that myth.

I have CC'd Thom on this because he may be interested in the content. I don't doubt he is aware of this, and he may be entertained a little by this.

The solstice is an astrophsical calculation and has nothing to do with the sun casting shadows at specific times of the year. According to the web site http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solstice the winter solstice this year occured at 05:30 A.M. UTC, on 22 December. The 05:30 UTC was 22:30 (10:30 P.M.) Arizona time. I have pasted the chart of solstices and equinoxes below, as a convenience in viewing and reading this reply. You should appreciate that there is no way a person who conceals a treasure can relocate it based on shadows derived from an equinox. The equinox times are remarkably different and non-repeating from year to year.

The "UTC" is Coordinated Universal Time, and it is the time standard that we use in HAM radio every day. The time standard formerly was called GMT, Greenwich Mean Time, and it was based on Greenwich, England. The U.S. military and amateur radio enthusiasts used to called it Zulu time. But now it is called UTC. You can read about this at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coordinated_Universal_Time

Radio station WWV at Fort Collins, Colorado, and WWVH in Hawaii continuously send UTC timing signals on frequencies 2.5, 5, 10, and 15 megahertz. Periodically I check my HAM clocks against the WWV time ticks. I realize that you don't have HAM radio equipment there, but it is good to know what UTC is, and how it is different from local time wherever you reside.

That chart is kind of interesting, how the winter solstice advances and retreats every fourth year, and the actual time of the solstice is remarkably different year to year.

Here in Arizona we are 7 hours behind UTC time. I have on my HAM radio desk two clocks that run in synch, one with local Arizona time and one with UTC time. All of my HAM radio contacts are logged in UTC time; all Hams keep time by UTC.

So shadows indicating or pointing toward some supposed secret treasure stash, derived from the solstice is total bunk. And every thinking treasure hunter should know this.

UTC date and time of solstices and equinoxes[1]
year Equinox
Mar Solstice
June Equinox
Sept Solstice
Dec
day time day time day time day time
2007 21 00:07 21 18:06 23 09:51 22 06:08
2008 20 05:48 20 23:59 22 15:44 21 12:04
2009 20 11:44 21 05:45 22 21:18 21 17:47
2010 20 17:32 21 11:28 23 03:09 21 23:38
2011 20 23:21 21 17:16 23 09:04 22 05:30
2012 20 05:14 20 23:09 22 14:49 21 11:11
2013 20 11:02 21 05:04 22 20:44 21 17:11
2014 20 16:57 21 10:51 23 02:29 21 23:03
2015 20 22:45 21 16:38 23 08:20 22 04:48
2016 20 04:30 20 22:34 22 14:21 21 10:44
2017 20 10:28 21 04:24 22 20:02 21 16:28

 

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[Pala Y Pico]

"A little rehash of some information,"

"The following is a small ballistic missile that destroys that myth."

"The solstice is an astrophsical calculation and has nothing to do with the sun casting shadows at specific times of the year."

"So shadows indicating or pointing toward some supposed secret treasure stash, derived from the solstice is total bunk. And every thinking treasure hunter should know this."

I have a shadow that follows me around. And not just once a year.

I appreciate the truth, wheather it is sugar coated or not.

Happy new year, mi amigo.

Thanks Thom.

 

[oddrock]

Thom,

I respect you and most all you have ever posted. I shall beg to differ a little bit on the shadow symbol post above. I am well aware of the different "exact" times. I watch the sun/shadow symbols a few days prior and after the exact date and suggest anyone so inclined and with the time do likewise. Do you really believe an e-mail from someone whose chart does not match up as far as the headings/columns etc.? ...

Oddrock

 

[Old Dog]

the times on the chart are not the issue.
the whole thing centers on the dig sign idea.

I have never found a sign within 100 feet of a dig area.

 

[oddrock]

the times on the chart are not the issue.
the whole thing centers on the dig sign idea.

I have never found a sign within 100 feet of a dig area.

Old Dog,

Maybe I did not understand your post. I took your meaning to be that you did not put much worth in shadow signs... as far as "dig here" signs... I think we are in agreement, perhaps a "dig there" sign is the one we look for...

Oddrock

 

[desertmoons]

When I came upon this I had a very hard time deciding which way to go..left or right. Any thoughts or guesses would be appreciated.

 

[heartquest]

Hi Friends, wanted to wish you all a happy new year. We took a break to attend to other matters in life and now are happily back on the heart quest. Nice to read all the amazing posts and catch up on everyone's adventures.

Our latest is that we found a very large, very dusty old book published in 1911 about the history of our area and it puts a Spanish military/gold expedition going through here in the 1700s, and very possibly taking the very route past our site on their way up to Yellowstone River, where they were presumed killed by Indians and therefore did not return. The site is indeed in one of the first areas where it is easy to cross the Rockies headed to the northwest. We were amazed that we found a possible or even plausible historical scenario for our site...the Spaniards prospected up the foothills of the east side of the Rockies, maybe cached their findings before leaving Colorado and heading into Wyoming for points beyond, and we would have been on the homeward trail. Just a theory, but there is no doubt that they were within at least 6 miles of us. We were amazed to find this - our enthusiasm is renewed.

 

[heartquest]

Our latest photos are of this turtle shaped rock and the hoodoo in front of it. On the other side of this turtle is this heart, the 9th heart we've found. Don't know if it's natural or not. I didn't know my heartquest name would be so applicable when I chose it. We'd only found one heart at that time.

 

[Ground0]

Your "turtle heart" looks like a face.

 

[Springfield]

Another heart for you

 

[Pala Y Pico]

Springfield,

Good eye.

You are the king of hearts.

 

[Shortstack]

Heartquest;
In that first photo, the left arrow points to a notched rock (rifle sight; compass heading?). The second arrow from the left, points to a symbol OR a natural shape. Not sure.
The circle encloses some letters and numbers.
The third arrow from the left is pointing to a diamond shaped surface on that rock that has a large "Y" figure on it as well as a couple of small shapes with it.
The last arrow on the right points to another notch in a rock that could indicate another course change.
The last circle on the right encloses an area that has many letters; at least 3 "A"s.
That square encloses an area that has a large, slim "A" on the left with a small "A" above it's point. Then, in the middle of the square is a large, black owl or black dog; not sure which. Lastly, in the right part of the square, is what's looks like a LARGE, black "F" with it's top bar clipped off.

 

[heartquest]

Thank you Shortstack. My powers of observation are not anywhere close to this mark up. I'll be taking a second look out there...

 

[Springfield]

Springfield,

Good eye.

The reason I found the heart I posted yesterday is because I stumbled upon an old, old dump on the edge of a remote, brushy ravine in the middle of nowhere. Trouble is, there was no adit or shaft visible anywhere nearby. The heart was directly above the dump. Also nearby were some old cut stumps, tree blazes and strange rocks like the one below located on one side of the dump. I dug on that hill off and on for three years with no results. Maybe one of these days I'll go back and have a fresh look at the place. There's lot's of other really good stuff on that mountain, top to bottom.

 

[oddrock]

When I came upon this I had a very hard time deciding which way to go..left or right. Any thoughts or guesses would be appreciated.

Kim

I would guess right...(perhaps a stopped up cave, shaft etc,) ...but then I am guessing with out seeing the object from all angles, and not knowing what else may be involved.....when in doubt I check'm all out.

Oddrock

 

[Pala Y Pico]

Springfield,

Good eye.

The reason I found the heart I posted yesterday is because I stumbled upon an old, old dump on the edge of a remote, brushy ravine in the middle of nowhere. Trouble is, there was no adit or shaft visible anywhere nearby. The heart was directly above the dump. Also nearby were some old cut stumps, tree blazes and strange rocks like the one below located on one side of the dump. I dug on that hill off and on for three years with no results. Maybe one of these days I'll go back and have a fresh look at the place. There's lot's of other really good stuff on that mountain, top to bottom.

Hello Springfield,

The red dirt mound reminds me of a tuza/gopher hole, when they push the dirt out of their burrow. The red dirt tells me it came from under.

The Dagger, spike or "7" has a owl on the sunny side.

The last picture where I see the pala , but not the pico... the heart point to a turtle or snake head. The rocks look stacked. Not just the ones you place on top, but the lower ones resting on the caliche.

Good luck in what you seek.

 

[goverton]

Do you have detector that picks up voids in the ground? That might lead to cave covered up

 

[Springfield]

Despite the claims, I've never seen one that actually delivers, except in demonstrations over culverts, etc. If I had my hands on one that worked, I'd probably give it a go. I know there's covered up adits nearby because I've found a couple others that washed out at the top of the plugs, allowing access with a little digging. The one below is about 1/4 mile away. Picture was taken from the inside out - empty inside.

 

[Shortstack]

Back in the 1960s and 1970s, a good BFO detector with a large diameter coil was often used by treasure hunters and prospectors to search for voids in the ground and areas of earth that had been dug and refilled. If you can find a good Garrett's BFO with a 24 inch coil, or larger, you'll be all set. These older machines often show up on eBay. I got mine there last year for a very reasonable price and it came with 2 dual coils, but, sadly, no 24 incher. There was one seller who had a Master Hunter with several coils including the 24 incher that I tried to get, but someone else offered waaaay more than I wanted to pay...........so I got another one instead.

 

[dog the treasure hunter]

great photos and info. springfield,keep them going,thanks shortstack on the detector info.,i have a bloodhound but cant get it to work,ill keep my eyes open for a bfo with large coil.id like to have something for big and deeper.