Banning guns keeps people safe huh?

[0121stockpicker]

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"Please learn to read critically without inferring what you think I said."

Another one? This looks familiar, again. Is this poster really a new member?

Dave, many of the comments from us might sound similar but that is because there are basic rules of critical thinking, logic, reason, discussion, debate that many of us know and follow. Seeing someone not following these rules is like seeing someone comment that 1 plus 1 is 3. Obviously many people would say no it is 2 without them being the same person or it being a conspiracy.

Critical thinking et al used to be the bedrock/foundation of all education as first taught by Socrates/Plato. For some reason these skills are not really taught anymore in our school system. I didnt take a formal logic course until college.

Personally I consider critical thinking as if not more important than math, science, reading and writing. Just my 2 cents and maybe a clarification for many on this site. Best

 

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[dieselram94]

Dave, many of the comments from us might sound similar but that is because there are basic rules of critical thinking, logic, reason, discussion, debate that many of us know and follow. Seeing someone not following these rules is like seeing someone comment that 1 plus 1 is 3. Obviously many people would say no it is 2 without them being the same person or it being a conspiracy.

Critical thinking et al used to be the bedrock/foundation of all education as first taught by Socrates/Plato. For some reason these skills are not really taught anymore in our school system. I didnt take a formal logic course until college.

Personally I consider critical thinking as if not more important than math, science, reading and writing. Just my 2 cents and maybe a clarification for many on this site. Best

I agree critical thinking is important but its not taught for a reason . They are indoctrination our kids to be sheep...

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[0121stockpicker]

I agree critical thinking is important but its not taught for a reason . They are indoctrination our kids to be sheep...

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I'm not sure I totally agree with that one. But either way since we are for the most part dealing with "adults" on this site if folks were not taught these skills I think they would be worth learning a little more about. Many of us try and help be posting some of the basics concerning logic and critical thinking but it seems to be totally ignored or criticized. Not sure why folks dont want to learn, but I think it's worth everyone opening the mind a bit and learning a valuable life skill. Just my 2 cents. Thanks for the response.

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

I'm not sure I totally agree with that one. But either way since we are for the most part dealing with "adults" on this site if folks were not taught these skills I think they would be worth learning a little more about. Many of us try and help be posting some of the basics concerning logic and critical thinking but it seems to be totally ignored or criticized. Not sure why folks dont want to learn, but I think it's worth everyone opening the mind a bit and learning a valuable life skill. Just my 2 cents. Thanks for the response.

It could be because we are not buying the story line...... Remember there is a big difference between expressing a view and telling members they lack the basics needed to comprend what your saying, the latter violates our rules....

 

[packerbacker]

I could care less whether the strict gun control laws are working in England or not! Krist!......I live in America. In America my constitution says I have the right to bear arms. It doesn't say I have that right unless some nutjobs somewhere misuse that right. The "wear a burka law" works in some places too but we don't want to wear burkas here either. This is America and we have rights that some people around the world envy with passion and any attempt to limit these rights needs to be confronted with that kind of passion.

 

[0121stockpicker]

It could be because we are not buying the story line...... Remember there is a big difference between expressing a view and telling members they lack the basics needed to comprend what your saying, the latter violates our rules....

"Telling members they lack the basics needed to comprehend..." Funny I think I've been told "I don't get it", "head in the sand", "mindless sheeple", etc, etc a million times!?!?!?! But I'm sure that's ok.

Telling someone they made a logically false argument is not an insult - it is a factual statement. It's like saying that 1 plus 1 is not 3?? We are not talking about insulting an opinion or a person which of course I am totally against though others seem to be able to do it with no consequences.

Best.

 

[dieselram94]

I'm not sure I totally agree with that one. But either way since we are for the most part dealing with "adults" on this site if folks were not taught these skills I think they would be worth learning a little more about. Many of us try and help be posting some of the basics concerning logic and critical thinking but it seems to be totally ignored or criticized. Not sure why folks dont want to learn, but I think it's worth everyone opening the mind a bit and learning a valuable life skill. Just my 2 cents. Thanks for the response.

Everyone should learn critical thinking. I think we both agree it's just not taught in schools .

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[Treasure_Hunter]

"Telling members they lack the basics needed to comprehend..." Funny I think I've been told "I don't get it", "head in the sand", "mindless sheeple", etc, etc a million times!?!?!?! But I'm sure that's ok.

Telling someone they made a logically false argument is not an insult - it is a factual statement. It's like saying that 1 plus 1 is not 3?? We are not talking about insulting an opinion or a person which of course I am totally against though others seem to be able to do it with no consequences.

Best.

Telling someone they don't get it , or their head is in the sand is not an insult, telling someone they lack the basic skills to understand something or to convey an opinion on something is an insult.






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[0121stockpicker]

Telling someone they don't get it , or their head is in the sand is not an insult, telling someone they lack the basic skills to understand something or to convey an opinion on something is an insult.

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Your head is in the sand is not an insult?? What do you think it is then a compliment??

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

Your head is in the sand is not an insult?? What do you think it is then a compliment??

Leave the moderating to the moderators....

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[0121stockpicker]

Leave the moderating to the moderators....

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Just to tough to try and follow the rules when they are a moving target and no explanation are ever given?? Just trying to understand so I don't get in trouble.

 

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[dieselram94]

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We should all learn from history. It didn't turn out good then and it won't turn out well again...

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[mustangpalmer1911]

We should all learn from history. It didn't turn out good then and it won't turn out well again...

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When has gun confiscation ever in history turned out good.

 

[0121stockpicker]

When has gun confiscation ever in history turned out good.

And what positive social change in this country has ever been brought about by the gun / violence in the last 200 years??

 

[mustangpalmer1911]

And what positive social change in this country has ever been brought about by the gun / violence in the last 200 years??

So because I own guns I am violent? Gun confiscation has nothing to do with gun violence all over the wold countries who have taken guns from the civilians still have huge gun violance problems.

 

[0121stockpicker]

When has gun confiscation ever in history turned out good.

Plenty of times. I would say the disarming of the traitors after the civil war brought about a lot of good. I was also all for the disarming of Japan and nazi germany. Taking weapons out of the hands of the violent is ALWAYS a good thing.

 

[Crispin]

Plenty of times. I would say the disarming of the traitors after the civil war brought about a lot of good. I was also all for the disarming of Japan and nazi germany. Taking weapons out of the hands of the violent is ALWAYS a good thing.

Stocky,

Don't open that can of worms. Then who gets to decide the definition of violence? Who gets to decide the definition of dangerous or mentally unstable? Besides you are talking about conquered countries and people. I agree with most of what you say but not this one. Stick to the rules of logical debate even if others do not.

Crisp

 

[mustangpalmer1911]

Plenty of times. I would say the disarming of the traitors after the civil war brought about a lot of good. I was also all for the disarming of Japan and nazi germany. Taking weapons out of the hands of the violent is ALWAYS a good thing.

It was all ready illegal for civilains to own weapons in those countries before WWII, the the civil war they were allowed to keep their arms it was not an unconditional surrender. Grant let them keep their arms knowing that they would need them to eat and survive on the way home and while they rebuild their lives and homes.

If you understand the constitution the south legally left the union peacfully the north then attack the south first. The war of northern agession is a better name for the war when you read history beyond high school brain washing.

 

[0121stockpicker]

Stocky,

Don't open that can of worms. Then who gets to decide the definition of violence? Who gets to decide the definition of dangerous or mentally unstable? Besides you are talking about conquered countries and people. I agree with most of what you say but not this one. Stick to the rules of logical debate even if others do not.

Crisp

Definition - someone who wants to do harm to themselves or another.

I could also turn the question around to ask when in the modern america has positive change has come from the gun and violence?? You think the civil rights movement would have succeeded if the broad movement would have taken up arms. A violent action merely provokes a violent response.