✅ SOLVED Any Ideas what this Brass item is??

[BuckleBoy]

Hello All,

I found two of these items--flat brass items with two holes for rivets/nails in them. They looked at the time like they would have some sort of stamping on them, but both are plain... The older one has some design and it is cast. It also has a part of an old nail still in one hole of it...








I found this one online that was stamped "CS" from a CW camp--the finder at the site says that it's a "watch fob" but it obviously isn't...and it's the same dimensions as the plain oval one I found (pictured above). I'm not suggesting that these are war related, but I'm just wondering what the heck they are...



http://www.midtenrelics.com/buttons.htm (See #2, second photo...)


Regards,


Buckleboy

 

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[COUNTRY GIRL]

I have been watching this thread since it started, fascinated for the results, loving the ideas. Well I just stumbled across a Civil War saddle with a similar oval brass tag. What do you think? Pictures and the link.

http://www.horsesoldier.com/catalog/g0021366.html

 

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[BuckleBoy]

Thanks Silver Searcher for your time and effort to get this one solved. I just wanted a reputable source with an ID of these items. Is the database something that I can view on the internet, or does it require membership?

A BIG thank-you to Scratcher as well, who first came up with the idea of putting the two pieces together (the two holed plate and the u-shaped bar) back in reply #80.

Well done, my friends.



Regards,



Buckles

http://www.ukfd.co.uk/

Artifacts Post Medieval...Horse Furniture.

SS.

Check the link if you wouldn't mind. This is a link to a dance studio.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

I have been watching this thread since it started, fascinated for the results, loving the ideas. Well I just stumbled across a Civil War saddle with a similar oval brass tag. What do you think? Pictures and the link.

http://www.horsesoldier.com/catalog/g0021366.html

This idea has been posted before. While it is a good guess Country Girl, these machine stamped name tags are a little different. Im sure some of these oval brasses were used as name tags but the older ones that BB found are different. I believe he has decided that the strap guide theory discussed way back in reply #80 is the correct ID.

 

[Silver Searcher]

Thanks Silver Searcher for your time and effort to get this one solved. I just wanted a reputable source with an ID of these items. Is the database something that I can view on the internet, or does it require membership?

A BIG thank-you to Scratcher as well, who first came up with the idea of putting the two pieces together (the two holed plate and the u-shaped bar) back in reply #80.

Well done, my friends.



Regards,



Buckles

http://www.ukfd.co.uk/

Artifacts Post Medieval...Horse Furniture.

SS.

Check the link if you wouldn't mind. This is a link to a dance studio.

Sorry BB

should have put my glasses on

SS.

 

[BuckleBoy]

Thanks again Silver Searcher. Here's the link. The items are on page 5.

http://www.ukdfd.co.uk/ukdfddata/showcat.php?cat=169

So these are finds that have been recorded and looked at by specialists, SS? Do they know that there was another piece that went with those U-shaped items? (Because I don't see the two-holed piece in the listings there.)



Best Wishes,


Buckles

 

[Silver Searcher]

Thanks again Silver Searcher. Here's the link. The items are on page 5.

http://www.ukdfd.co.uk/ukdfddata/showcat.php?cat=169

So these are finds that have been recorded and looked at by specialists, SS? Do they know that there was another piece that went with those U-shaped items? (Because I don't see the two-holed piece in the listings there.)



Best Wishes,


Buckles

Yes Specialists in different fields, they some times take a while, this is to get the correct ID by cross refrencing, the Roman Ring took nearly two weeks.

as for the two holed piece, I suppose they could be different variations or that no- body has associated them with the strap guide

SS.

 

[CRUSADER]

Thanks again Silver Searcher. Here's the link. The items are on page 5.

http://www.ukdfd.co.uk/ukdfddata/showcat.php?cat=169

So these are finds that have been recorded and looked at by specialists, SS? Do they know that there was another piece that went with those U-shaped items? (Because I don't see the two-holed piece in the listings there.)



Best Wishes,


Buckles

Yes Specialists in different fields, they some times take a while, this is to get the correct ID by cross refrencing, the Roman Ring took nearly two weeks.

as for the two holed piece, I suppose they could be different variations or that no- body has associated them with the strap guide

SS.

I have found many of both & it never crossed my mine that they went together until BB's post. I never used to keep the U shaped things, well or the brass plates unless they were decorated.

What still interests me is that Gordon Baileys book decribes them a furniture draw pulls, & his research is normally spot on, seems like an error now!

I think these do go together & my theory was always leaning to horse related, so I'm happy its part of a strap guide set! GREEN CHECK

 

[Silver Searcher]

Thanks again Silver Searcher. Here's the link. The items are on page 5.

http://www.ukdfd.co.uk/ukdfddata/showcat.php?cat=169

So these are finds that have been recorded and looked at by specialists, SS? Do they know that there was another piece that went with those U-shaped items? (Because I don't see the two-holed piece in the listings there.)



Best Wishes,


Buckles

Yes Specialists in different fields, they some times take a while, this is to get the correct ID by cross refrencing, the Roman Ring took nearly two weeks.

as for the two holed piece, I suppose they could be different variations or that no- body has associated them with the strap guide

SS.

I have found many of both & it never crossed my mine that they went together until BB's post. I never used to keep the U shaped things, well or the brass plates unless they were decorated.

What still interests me is that Gordon Baileys book decribes them a furniture draw pulls, & his research is normally spot on, seems like an error now!

I think these do go together & my theory was always leaning to horse related, so I'm happy its part of a strap guide set! GREEN CHECK

Proberbly got help from Dr Martin Allen :P

 

[BuckleBoy]

Thanks again Silver Searcher. Here's the link. The items are on page 5.

http://www.ukdfd.co.uk/ukdfddata/showcat.php?cat=169

So these are finds that have been recorded and looked at by specialists, SS? Do they know that there was another piece that went with those U-shaped items? (Because I don't see the two-holed piece in the listings there.)



Best Wishes,


Buckles

Yes Specialists in different fields, they some times take a while, this is to get the correct ID by cross refrencing, the Roman Ring took nearly two weeks.

as for the two holed piece, I suppose they could be different variations or that no- body has associated them with the strap guide

SS.

Is there any way that we can share this information with them--that the strap guide had two pieces? Perhaps that is why the other piece is misidentified in the book as a furniture drawer pull.

Thanks again, and Bravo to everyone who helped with this tough little piece of brass.

 

[CRUSADER]

Thanks again Silver Searcher. Here's the link. The items are on page 5.

http://www.ukdfd.co.uk/ukdfddata/showcat.php?cat=169

So these are finds that have been recorded and looked at by specialists, SS? Do they know that there was another piece that went with those U-shaped items? (Because I don't see the two-holed piece in the listings there.)



Best Wishes,


Buckles

Yes Specialists in different fields, they some times take a while, this is to get the correct ID by cross refrencing, the Roman Ring took nearly two weeks.

as for the two holed piece, I suppose they could be different variations or that no- body has associated them with the strap guide

SS.

I have found many of both & it never crossed my mine that they went together until BB's post. I never used to keep the U shaped things, well or the brass plates unless they were decorated.

What still interests me is that Gordon Baileys book decribes them a furniture draw pulls, & his research is normally spot on, seems like an error now!

I think these do go together & my theory was always leaning to horse related, so I'm happy its part of a strap guide set! GREEN CHECK

Proberbly got help from Dr Martin Allen :P

not bitter or twisted

 

[Silver Searcher]

Thanks again Silver Searcher. Here's the link. The items are on page 5.

http://www.ukdfd.co.uk/ukdfddata/showcat.php?cat=169

So these are finds that have been recorded and looked at by specialists, SS? Do they know that there was another piece that went with those U-shaped items? (Because I don't see the two-holed piece in the listings there.)



Best Wishes,


Buckles

Yes Specialists in different fields, they some times take a while, this is to get the correct ID by cross refrencing, the Roman Ring took nearly two weeks.

as for the two holed piece, I suppose they could be different variations or that no- body has associated them with the strap guide

SS.

I have found many of both & it never crossed my mine that they went together until BB's post. I never used to keep the U shaped things, well or the brass plates unless they were decorated.

What still interests me is that Gordon Baileys book decribes them a furniture draw pulls, & his research is normally spot on, seems like an error now!

I think these do go together & my theory was always leaning to horse related, so I'm happy its part of a strap guide set! GREEN CHECK

Proberbly got help from Dr Martin Allen :P

not bitter or twisted

bitter, let down, disapointed, suspicious, once bitten twice shy

 

[RPG]

Thanks again Silver Searcher. Here's the link. The items are on page 5.

http://www.ukdfd.co.uk/ukdfddata/showcat.php?cat=169

So these are finds that have been recorded and looked at by specialists, SS? Do they know that there was another piece that went with those U-shaped items? (Because I don't see the two-holed piece in the listings there.)



Best Wishes,


Buckles

Yes Specialists in different fields, they some times take a while, this is to get the correct ID by cross refrencing, the Roman Ring took nearly two weeks.

as for the two holed piece, I suppose they could be different variations or that no- body has associated them with the strap guide

SS.

Is there any way that we can share this information with them--that the strap guide had two pieces? Perhaps that is why the other piece is misidentified in the book as a furniture drawer pull.

Thanks again, and Bravo to everyone who helped with this tough little piece of brass.

Here's the other part listed under unidentified artifacts on that same site.

http://www.ukdfd.co.uk/ukdfddata/showcat.php?cat=231&page=10

 

[Silver Searcher]

Thanks again Silver Searcher. Here's the link. The items are on page 5.

http://www.ukdfd.co.uk/ukdfddata/showcat.php?cat=169

So these are finds that have been recorded and looked at by specialists, SS? Do they know that there was another piece that went with those U-shaped items? (Because I don't see the two-holed piece in the listings there.)



Best Wishes,


Buckles

Yes Specialists in different fields, they some times take a while, this is to get the correct ID by cross refrencing, the Roman Ring took nearly two weeks.

as for the two holed piece, I suppose they could be different variations or that no- body has associated them with the strap guide

SS.

Is there any way that we can share this information with them--that the strap guide had two pieces? Perhaps that is why the other piece is misidentified in the book as a furniture drawer pull.

Thanks again, and Bravo to everyone who helped with this tough little piece of brass.

Here's the other part listed under unidentified artifacts on that same site.

http://www.ukdfd.co.uk/ukdfddata/showcat.php?cat=231&page=10

Yes that's spot on RPG

 

[RPG]

Thanks again Silver Searcher. Here's the link. The items are on page 5.

http://www.ukdfd.co.uk/ukdfddata/showcat.php?cat=169

So these are finds that have been recorded and looked at by specialists, SS? Do they know that there was another piece that went with those U-shaped items? (Because I don't see the two-holed piece in the listings there.)



Best Wishes,


Buckles

Yes Specialists in different fields, they some times take a while, this is to get the correct ID by cross refrencing, the Roman Ring took nearly two weeks.

as for the two holed piece, I suppose they could be different variations or that no- body has associated them with the strap guide

SS.

Is there any way that we can share this information with them--that the strap guide had two pieces? Perhaps that is why the other piece is misidentified in the book as a furniture drawer pull.

Thanks again, and Bravo to everyone who helped with this tough little piece of brass.

Here's the other part listed under unidentified artifacts on that same site.

http://www.ukdfd.co.uk/ukdfddata/showcat.php?cat=231&page=10

Yes that's spot on RPG

And another.

http://www.ukdfd.co.uk/ukdfddata/showcat.php?cat=231&page=29

 

[Silver Searcher]

I have these pieces in my boxes of finds, I will record them with the Data Base, discribing what we have found here and go from there.

SS.

 

[CRUSADER]

http://www.treasurenet.com/cgi-bin/treasure/westeast/feature.pl/Show?_id=200908

See above where they found one at a late 18th C site. Note, they don't picture a U type thing, shame..

 

[BuckleBoy]

I have these pieces in my boxes of finds, I will record them with the Data Base, discribing what we have found here and go from there.

SS.

No wonder it was such a hard piece to ID, if even the archaeologists/specialists didn't quite know what they were.





I think everyone who helped here gets a BIG round of applause, and please record them with the Database. Anytime we can help, it looks good on us all.


Best Wishes,



Buckles

 

[johnnyi]

This isn't solved. The item is described as "probably" used on a harness. That's what we said a number of times, "probably". That is not even close to proving what it is. Depsite us finding hundreds of these here in the U.S. from within the last two centuries no less, we still can't come up with any conclusive proof of exactly what they are. No painting, engraving, no photo from a museum, nothing. Blunt supposed. We suppose. This is still unsolved (ironspike, you can do it man!)

 

[Woodland Detectors]

Agreed John. IMO this is not solved either. Keep trying.

 

[johnnyi]

Thank you 4-H. No, all we have is one more person in the field of archeology guessing what it might be just as we have been guessing. The fact is, these have been found by the hundreds right here in the U.S. and we still can't match them to any known harness (yet) nor can anyone in Britton apparently.

Many of us already supposed that a strap of leather went through the loop. Yet we have a wide piece of brass that had to be mounted on an even wider piece of leather, and then had to accept a small strap of leather through it. On top of that, these are virtually all decorative, despite them being found on even humble homesteads where fittings were often as humble. We should be able to find conclusive evidence of what this object did, but we definately haven't yet. I say remove the green check and keep trying.