✅ SOLVED Any Ideas what this Brass item is??

[BuckleBoy]

Hello All,

I found two of these items--flat brass items with two holes for rivets/nails in them. They looked at the time like they would have some sort of stamping on them, but both are plain... The older one has some design and it is cast. It also has a part of an old nail still in one hole of it...








I found this one online that was stamped "CS" from a CW camp--the finder at the site says that it's a "watch fob" but it obviously isn't...and it's the same dimensions as the plain oval one I found (pictured above). I'm not suggesting that these are war related, but I'm just wondering what the heck they are...



http://www.midtenrelics.com/buttons.htm (See #2, second photo...)


Regards,


Buckleboy

 

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[Bigcypresshunter]

I dont know if this link has been already posted but I notice it calls the companion piece a 17th century belt slide. Just another example, maybe a bit older. http://www.colchestertreasurehunting.co.uk/2008septfinds2.html

 

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[johnnyi]

I dont know if its been already posted but I notice this link calls it a 17th century belt slide. http://www.colchestertreasurehunting.co.uk/2008septfinds2.html

Yes bigcy, but when you follow the reasons backwards you always come to a dead end when it comes to knowing exactly what these were on. In other words belt slide is an educated guess. I did read something intersting yesterday which made me think of this object also, only in relation to obscurity. The was an object in a bunch of objects found by capemayhunter which crusader identified as a shoe toggle. This was apparently a device to close the shoes which existed for a relatively short period of time. Our little plate thingy also seems to fit a very brief period of use, which seems to be another reason to eliminate harness from the list.(harness fitting=when it ain't broke don't fix it (or change it)).

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

I dont know what it was IDed as, just adding another picture to the collection.

I think this is the first link placing it in the 1600's. I dont know how they came to that conclusion.


...What was it IDed as?

 

[Mike in Berks]

Does anyone else have one with iron markings from nails in them? If not, rivets are probably the way to go.

well, Buckle Boy i do as of yesterday found my 1st one and it made me
think of your post right away Found at a farmhouse thats on the 1862 Atlas
could be a lot earlier might even be a log house ? here it is




I'm not sure if it's a square nail or the hammered part of a iron ? you decide
All i do know is i removed the iron today (i like it better with the 2 holes) and
this isn't copper or brass it has a silver sparkle to it where i scraped it with my
finger nail oh ya, mine is 22mm from center hole to center hole



now that i found one i'm really curious too

 

[johnnyi]

"Sounds like a reputable website. I think you now qualify as a "hero" and I can mark this one solved. Were these strap guides a piece of horse furniture?"

Will, we've been here already. When you follow this backwards you find this conclusion all originated with the phrase, these are "probably" strap guides. Of course it got repeated so many times that it turns into fact. The operative words in your post are "were these strap guides a piece of horse furniture?" Of course we don't know. NOBODY KNOWS, which is yet another factor which makes "strap guide" a guess. Sadly, we have yet to know what these were for. It ain't solved!

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Maybe I should have left this post buried, but scrather found a set of these. http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php?topic=285961.new#new

 

[BuckleBoy]

Maybe I should have left this post buried, but scrather found a set of these. http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php?topic=285961.new#new

I'm ok with it being bumped up. I think we have an ID for this item, just not a 100% exact ID.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

I dont know if this has been mentioned, but doesnt it look like this horse piece (arrow) on this Civil War era US Calvary saddle made in New York?

 

[BuckleBoy]

I dont know if this has been mentioned, but doesnt it look like this horse piece (arrow) on this Civil War era US Calvary saddle made in New York?

Excellent work, BigCy! I'm going to look again through the saddles. Was this piece on every McClelland style saddle, or just those made by certain manufacturers?

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Excellent work, BigCy! I'm going to look again through the saddles. Was this piece on every McClelland style saddle, or just those made by certain manufacturers?

I dont know I just found it by accident. Scroll down second from bottom. http://www.catskillmountainkeeper.org/node/294

Catskill tanneries supplied most of the saddles used in the Civil War.

 

[BuckleBoy]

Excellent work, BigCy! I'm going to look again through the saddles. Was this piece on every McClelland style saddle, or just those made by certain manufacturers?

I dont know I just found it by accident. Scroll down second from bottom. http://www.catskillmountainkeeper.org/node/294

Catskill tanneries supplied most of the saddles used in the Civil War.

You know--it could be that the old method of attachment (early 1800s saddles) was iron, and later on these were brass attachments. I can't think of any other reason why we wouldn't find these in CW sites. Seems like only the earlier ones. Anyone have a contact who is familiar with pre-CW saddles?

 

[Don in SJ]

I am sure mine were found at pre 1840 sites, I do occasionally hunt later sites but I know most I have found including the one with the U shaped piece was at an older site. Not sure how much horses were ridden in this area, but I suspect in the time frame around here that the sites I hunt, horses were not commonplace (ones ridden).

Don

 

[Silver Searcher]

Thought this was Green Checked

SS

 

[collector01]

Here's a couple I found. I believe they are just some kind of horse furnature, mine have came from 1700s sites to late 1800s sites the early ones tend to be a little thicker.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

We cant see underneath the belt but what do you think about this Buckleboy? http://www.gnwtc.com/oldroom1.htm

 

[BuckleBoy]

We cant see underneath the belt but what do you think about this Buckleboy? http://www.gnwtc.com/oldroom1.htm

That's a good idea, but my hunch is that money belts were much more common in the areas that these items are found. I have not heard of these being found in the west. Has anyone found them there?


-Buck

 

[Don in SJ]

Another U shaped section found today!

I found my second U shaped piece that concerns this What is it Post and this one is different from my first one posted in that there is no fancy decoration on it, but it appears it was silver plated! Also, notice the rectangle shaped opening in it.

Including a photo of the first one I found and posted on Page 3 of this post.

It was found at a very very isolated site. It most likely was a crude log cabin and was occupied during the period of the sawmills in operation in the area from the late 1700's till maybe 1830 at the latest. The finds at this isolated site today were buttons that indicate a late 1700s to about 1830 era. Most of the wooded sites like this were not associated with farms and horse tack is not usually found at these places. So I think this post is still not solved on what these U shaped pieces and it oval shaped brass pieces were used for.


Last Photo is my previously posted U Shaped piece.

Don

 

[kyphote]

Your more decorative piece closely resembles #7 below.

 

[Silver Searcher]

BBs original post was for the oval plates, the u-pieces came in later and were identified, I know some people didn't except the ID, but it was from a reputable website, and as nobody has come up with anything else 17 months on, so they should be excepted as reign or strap guides.The original pieces are just proberbly name plates, of saddles or anything which you wanted to stamp your initials, some were even posted with such initials on them.

http://www.ukdfd.co.uk/ukdfddata/showrecords.php?product=13412&cat=169

http://www.ukdfd.co.uk/ukdfddata/showcat.php?cat=169&page=7

http://www.ukdfd.co.uk/ukdfddata/showcat.php?cat=294

SS

 

[olepossum]

i kave 3 blank ones and one like yours and two with fancy script writing on them i always thought they were for horse tack or for iding the owners initials on a chest or piece of luggage i do have a repro cw holster that has one on the flap that has my rank on it of 1st sgt that i won at a cw re encament for best dressed missouri border ruffian and rebel yell