After 15th Episode of Season 12.... Still any believers...?

Can't argue with above.

I guess I fail to realize why an open hole leads to any of the above. An open hole leaves no trace that anybody found anything of value one way or the other. If I dug way down and found something I'd take it and leave. If I dug way down and found nothing I'd just leave. But an open hole tells nobody nothing as I see it. But maybe I missed your point what an open hole means...?
If you were part of the group who buried it or who were looking for it and had gone back to dig without your group knowing, you might not want them to know. Sure you could say I didn't find anything, but yet suddenly have money to buy half the island, or travel the world, would be alittle suspicious wouldn't it...
 

If you were part of the group who buried it or who were looking for it and had gone back to dig without your group knowing, you might not want them to know. Sure you could say I didn't find anything, but yet suddenly have money to buy half the island, or travel the world, would be alittle suspicious wouldn't it...
But.... there on an small island. They got there by boat I'd assume. A small group of men burying it or digging it up would all be together on the small island or on the boat. If ol' "Frank" came up missing they'd all know he's gone. And if "Frank" found something what's he gonna do...? Move it himself...? Rebury it...? Sneak it pass all back onto the ship...?

Your right a part of a group could do that but that's hard to make sense of being where there at and how they got there. That person would be missed quickly and they'd know exactly where to look if it was true.

To me a empty hole means absolutely nothing nor indicates anything of value was or was not found. All mere speculation on the finders of said empty hole. Filling it back in would be a waste of time and effort.
 

Here's a thought.

Let's say it took a crew of 20? to dig down, build and fill the assumed treasure room, and fill it all back in

As a ex-crew member I covet this treasure, but would also need a crew of 20 to dig it up. Maybe that was why buried so deep - you wouldn't want just anyone to be able to recover it.
 

It was a hoard removed from Spain around 1714. Various versions of the story now exist but all say the same thing: a dying sailor left the map to the island. You would be familiar with the late 19th century retelling of the incident: Treasure Island by Stevenson but by then the legend had been in circulation for over a century already.

By the 19th century copies of the map had spread worldwide. Oak Island is just one of the many islands searched by those who had copies of the treasure map hoping they had identified the correct island. There are even forms of inventories of the hoard's contents that can be found as they have been published since since it all began.

You were told 'nothing exists to say what what occurred on Oak Island?

This is a direct lie.

It was known from the start and it was recorded as such from the begining in the contemporaneous records. This known detail even appears in books publsihed up to the 1970s.

You were just told no such records exist so believed it, you can answer yourself whether you just accepted this as true so never then looked further .

A copy of the actual map was even published in 1934.

Similarly you haven't been told of the numerous others parties that also had copies of the 'treasure map' and turned up to Oak Island to search using it.

Here you can now read in black and white some of the contemporaneous reports you have been told don't exist.

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And interesting note though:

If you go to Oak Island and the surrounding area to look through their historical files you won't find any reports or mention of a treasure map. The files have been cleansed of any mention about the whole thing being due to a treasure map to stop this being discovered.

Three things will make a lot more sense now you know this:

1. Dan Blankenship was telling everyone it was a Spanish origin treasure. He had a copy. Anyone follow that or just go back to the latest ice cream 'theory' the show presented that week?

2.All the 'theorists' that turn up are there are screened and selected to appear not what they know but what they don't know: the production doesn't want the 'answer' accidentally blurted out as it will end the show.

3. For all the 'research' that allegedly is done there identifying other locations you probably are wondering why these are only given cursory attention for a few hours before the team abandons them and just heads back to dig the Money Pit site yet again?

It's because that's the position their copy of the treasure map which started it all marks, therefore it is the only place the treasure could possibly be.

But that is if you have the correct island the map is even for.


What you do want to look for next time there is a War Room meeting is the show's own researcher 'forgetting' again to mention what he does know......
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The biggest fatal flaw of the show is you know they didn't find anything before you watch the latest episode! If they ever find the treasure, it will be on the news weeks before that episode ever airs on TV. Watching the show waiting for treasure to be found in the latest episode is a kind of silly...
 

The show is nothing more than a money making attraction.
IMO... Tuning in is like going to the circus and watching the acts.

IF any treasure was ever on OI... it was found and removed LONG ago.
 

I'll just put this one here to show as an example of what was going on in other places by those using copies of the same treasure map (as was being tried on Oak Island) as they tried to locate the correct island it was for.

But no, there was never any treasure on Oak Island, it was just one of the islands searched by those thinking the map was for it.

Last count there was about 14 other island locations in the Atlantic that were being searched also for the same treasure using a copy of the same map during the same period Oak was being searched.


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Well my take today on this O.I. thing is that its taken so many twists and turns throughout the years it's hard to hang your hat on one theory. In fact its taken so many it now defies any logic of ANYTHING having ever been buried on O.I. In no particular order and some/many missing....

A. Boys found / dug a depression they say they found on O.I.
B. The story of block & tackle was added to the story over the depression.
C. Map of BURIED TREASURE said to exist.... too where.... nobody knows.
D. Said to be a Spanish treasure
E. Possibly a Knights Templar horde
F. Original money pits location "lost"
G. Trace elements in water of gold/silver.... Why not independent and 2nd verification of results...?
H. Wasted time doing artifact hunting / gathering because we all know folks were there living...!

This whole "story" has so many different theories it's hard to believe unless for some reason you take a leap of faith something of value is buried first. And then the question of why would you go their first...? Which one of the theories do YOU believe and WHY in the hell would you.... based on what...?

I accept none of them as based in any fact especially after 200+ years and work done to date. You/we can't keep changing the "facts" to support the idea of something of value IS buried on O.I. The brothers are milking it for all it's worth and that surely will be the end of it soon.

Hell truth be known I have more faith in Blind Frog Ranch finding gold/silver then O.I. (1% more).
 

I have always believed this show was for entertainment. Nothing more, nothing less. The original depression, hmm. Trying to remember if I have ever seen a hole in the ground with a block and tackle or windless hanging above? Oh yeah, maybe just an old caved in dug well. Ships know to traverse the area, ships need periodic repair/maintenance so hence the tar production, refill water stores so we have a well. Found artifacts mean people lived there, which they did. I have some old coins now, if I loose a an old roman coin in my yard and somebody finds it, does that mean the romans buried a treasure in my yard hundreds of years ago?

Entertainment.
 

Well my take today on this O.I. thing is that its taken so many twists and turns throughout the years it's hard to hang your hat on one theory. In fact its taken so many it now defies any logic of ANYTHING having ever been buried on O.I. In no particular order and some/many missing....

A. Boys found / dug a depression they say they found on O.I.
B. The story of block & tackle was added to the story over the depression.
C. Map of BURIED TREASURE said to exist.... too where.... nobody knows.
D. Said to be a Spanish treasure
E. Possibly a Knights Templar horde
F. Original money pits location "lost"
G. Trace elements in water of gold/silver.... Why not independent and 2nd verification of results...?
H. Wasted time doing artifact hunting / gathering because we all know folks were there living...!

This whole "story" has so many different theories it's hard to believe unless for some reason you take a leap of faith something of value is buried first. And then the question of why would you go their first...? Which one of the theories do YOU believe and WHY in the hell would you.... based on what...?

I accept none of them as based in any fact especially after 200+ years and work done to date. You/we can't keep changing the "facts" to support the idea of something of value IS buried on O.I. The brothers are milking it for all it's worth and that surely will be the end of it soon.

Hell truth be known I have more faith in Blind Frog Ranch finding gold/silver then O.I. (1% more).
Naw you got it the wrong way. Read the details again as it doesn't get any plainer than in black and white.

The important considereration is not what they say, that was known from the start, it's that you have told these records don't exist.

Mcginnis and friends were given a copy of the map that other searchers had been using on Oak Island by a family friend.

They were not the first, either, there were other searchers before them but this is another detail which is deliberately downplayed.

They went back to the site the map alledgedly marked which was where the previous excavation had been: it's the remains of the previous searchers they saw (the block and tackle still in a tree, depression in the ground) that confirmed for them (and everyone else since) they were in the 'right place'.

You fell for the incomplete story that was fed to you but this is revealed when the following anomaly (which you didn't even know existed) is pointed out but which gets repeated each time:

Reaforestation had not occurred at the site which means, no matter how much you rush past this detail so it doesn't get enquired into, what went on there had occurred not that long ago. So no ancient Templar treasure or Vikings or Phonecian seafarers of whatever other idea the Oak Island zombies come up with.

See how obvious it is now this anomalous detail is pointed out to you?

You have to get your mind around that just because you weren't told about it on the show, this doesn't mean it is not known what did happen: it's just that you weren't told about it.

You can go and do you own research and read all about in the books and other records that you were told don't exist......
 

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Can we just name this thread “Time to Troll” and get it over with.
 

Naw you got it the wrong way. Read the details again as it doesn't get any plainer than in black and white.

The important considereration is not what they say, that was known from the start, it's that you have told these records don't exist.

Mcginnis and friends were given a copy of the map that other searchers had been using on Oak Island by a family friend.

They were not the first, either, there were other searchers before them but this is another detail which is deliberately downplayed.

They went back to the site the map alledgedly marked which was where the previous excavation had been: it's the remains of the previous searchers they saw (the block and tackle still in a tree, depression in the ground) that confirmed for them (and everyone else since) they were in the 'right place'.

You fell for the incomplete story that was fed to you but this is revealed when the following anomaly (which you didn't even know existed) is pointed out but which gets repeated each time:

Reaforestation had not occurred at the site which means, no matter how much you rush past this detail so it doesn't get enquired into, what went on there had occurred not that long ago. So no ancient Templar treasure or Vikings or Phonecian seafarers of whatever other idea the Oak Island zombies come up with.

See how obvious it is now this anomalous detail is pointed out to you?

You have to get your mind around that just because you weren't told about it on the show, this doesn't mean it is not known what did happen: it's just that you weren't told about it.

You can go and do you own research and read all about in the books and other records that you were told don't exist......
So you are saying that the mcginnis brothers (just like the laginas) were digging in a hole that previous diggers had dug before using copies of the same fake map?

Seem the story has been repeated many times since then in seeking a treasure that never existed.
 

Which one of the theories do YOU believe and WHY in the hell would you.... based on what...?

I'll tell ya which one spoke to me, though it falls short of "belief": the Huguenot theory, which basically says a minority religious sect packed up all their valuables and left France when a new King repealed some legislation which had protected them (hmmm, sounds familiar). Their ship convoy separated with some going to Haiti and some to Nova Scotia. An engineer on board designed and led the construction of an elaborate "bank" for stashing their hoard for future retrieval. Some apocryphal accounts exist regarding a discovery of such a hoard on Haiti. I'm typing this from memory so I might have some of the deets wrong, but that's the gist. I don't know why this one stood out to me but it did. I think I read this in D. O'Connor's most recent O.I. volume.

Haiti is such a mess that any hope of validating such tales, even if true, are essentially nil.

--GT
 

The biggest fatal flaw of the show is you know they didn't find anything before you watch the latest episode! If they ever find the treasure, it will be on the news weeks before that episode ever airs on TV. Watching the show waiting for treasure to be found in the latest episode is a kind of silly...

Weeks or months. They shoot in the summer and air it the following winter. it would certainly be challenging for the producers to keep a true cache find under wraps, network NDAs be damned. With a cast/crew that large, somebody would be getting tipsy at the Mug & Anchor and spilling the beans before long.

--GT
 

Here you can now read in black and white some of the contemporaneous reports you have been told don't exist.

Your information is very interesting. Thank you for sharing the article snippets. It would be great if you could also cite the sources for those so we can dig into them more. I have run across at least one of those on my own.

I'm a bit puzzled, however, at the idea that some pre-existing map would be considered as such a deal-breaker for enthusiasts that they would need to scrub it from the history. It certainly doesn't diminish my interest in the topic. The way you phrase it makes it sound like such a conspiracy plot, but the show doesn't shy from showing all sorts of other contradictory and outlandish/unlikely elements.

--GT
 

I haven't researched it, but has anything been discovered that was certainly mad made at a significant depth and in a circumstance that is indispensably true?

Tons of man-made stuff at depth, but "indispensably true" circumstances is a much higher hurdle. Well nigh impossible for some of the nihilist cynics here. The problem is that there's been so much searcher activity in the Money Pit area that many of the artifacts that get pulled up are likely left by searchers in the 1800s rather than depositors. And search efforts like Dunfield's, in particular, caused such widespread displacement of the site and then huge amounts of backfill to cover it all up again, you'd have to figure the first 150' or so in a large radius is just a jumble of time periods rather than distinct strata.

IMO the most likely objects to be reliable indicators are things like the large wrought scissors dated to sixteen hundred and something (Triton Alliance find, if memory serves), and parts of leather shoes (Triton; Lagina group) dated similarly pre-searcher. These were unlikely to have been carried on the persons of later searchers in the area.

I notice you used some of Bowdoin's logic regarding how some things taken as artificial could have moved underground by natural causes. You'd have to disregard the quite detailed accounts of the platforms, though, for that to be the case. Wood that falls into sinkholes wouldn't line itself up all neat and tidy as shorn staves of similar diameter all in the same direction and conveniently embedded in the clayish till in such a way as to produce flat and level surfaces at ten foot intervals. Of course such descriptions came down to us incrementally in bits, gathered over time, so are subject to attack as revisionist.

--GT
 

That person would be missed quickly and they'd know exactly where to look if it was true.

Just spitballing here, I don't have a strong opinion on this point. But if we look at this through the lens of the age of sail, a crew of any given ship, if not part of a national navy (or maybe those, too, especially if they were press-ganged) might at some point in the future find themselves back in port and free to enlist on the crew of any other ship. From my readings of historical fiction (Conrad, Melville, Hawthorne, etc.) it just seems like this is how it works ... new or newly acquired or newly repaired vessels are contracted for new missions and they might already have a core crew but will usually need to fill out the complement with local hires. So a sailor who'd been on a treasure-burying crew in the past may be trying to find an outgoing mission that will take him near to the place where the booty is. Perhaps he's drafted a chart from memory of approach and layout of the island. This would fit with the various legends of old sailors on their deathbeds conveying secrets and maps to third parties. Heck, it fits the story of Treasure Island where if I recall Silver has bided his time among various crews waiting for the opportunity to return to X marks the spot.

It does raise the question of why any competent pirate would ever let his crew live if they were party to a secret like that.

--GT
 

Of course such descriptions came down to us incrementally in bits, gathered over time, so are subject to attack as revisionist.
Which is a good reason to disregard them -- they are all later embellishments.
 

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