After 15th Episode of Season 12.... Still any believers...?

[Terry Soloman]

This has been a very interesting thread. So many points of human nature and belief systems. If they find the treasure tomorrow, how many would believe it was planted for the show? How many would believe they finally solved the mystery and actually found the treasure?

I once found a glass bottle with 26 Morgan silver dollars in it. I was videotaping with my GoPro. Half said I planted the find; a quarter said the coins were fake; and a quarter congratulated me on my find. Treasure hunting and hunters, spawn emotions and attitudes from jealousy, envy, anger, and disbelief, to pure joy, happiness and fulfilment.

My personal belief? The two brothers apparently have much more money than they will ever need, this keeps them occupied and excited, and the production company is making millions on advertisements and marketing deals. So whether there is still treasure there on not - Who really cares?

 

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[GravelTeeth]

the proper approach is to consider the preponderance of evidence. 225 years of nothing suggests that the whole legend is a self-perpetuating fantasy

Some thoughts to consider: a lot of things that weren't "documented" nonetheless happened. Any genealogist will tell you that the trails of paper records for most people's family histories inevitably end the further in time you look back, but clearly somebody begat somebody way back then during that information gap. It kinda goes without saying that in pre-modern societies a lot of daily details get left out of the record, official or otherwise.

In the context of the Oak Island mystery, think of all the things they've found which weren't part of the documented history, but nevertheless are plainly there. The multitude of stone "roads" all about the swamp, the elaborate wooden structures at Smith's Cove and the edges of the swamp, the stone structures they are currently excavating on Lot 5, the stone well near the western coast ... all of which escaped mention in the various government and other sources but stubbornly sprout up anyway. Of course some of these things can have mundane explanations, but others are harder to justify among the population of farmers and husbanders that the official record purports. A road of some sort, for example, would almost certainly have had to exist between and among the various surveyed plots in order for the farmed goods to move about and reach the coast for trade with the mainland, yes, but such labor-intensive stone roads, when a rutted cart-path would have sufficed? Seems unlikely. The manpower to have moved the tons and tons of stone in just the parts that have been uncovered would have been non-trivial to say the least. And the complex wooden U-shaped structure ... while it's been speculated to be a wharf or jetty, what need of such would the farmers have had when small boats on the gently sloping southern beaches would have been adequate? Not to mention that the Smith's Cove structures are on the side of the island most inconvenient for commerce with the mainland.

So just some stuff to chew on, to remind us that direct eyewitness transcripts, government docs, and contemporaneous news sources are not always enough to give a complete picture of everything that was happening everywhere, and particularly on one small island amongst hundreds in a far off frontier of a thinly-populated nation.

"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy"
-- Shakespeare, Hamlet

--GT

 

[BuzzMarshall]

Elaborate, please. I'd like to hear how you obtained that information (with no help from the audience).

--GT

In the early 90's things were different back then as the internet was just starting out and i had been doing uucp and bulletin boards for years at that time. I started developing internet sites at a time companies like MS didn't even have a web browser back then. I used to co-locate servers around the world and host hundreds of forums when they 1st started to appear and at that time i had a Internic account which is tough to get these days but one of the things it allowed me to do was check domain registrations which at that time never hid any personal info on the domain owners. There were no privacy back then like there is now. Anyways over the years i had run across the Lagina's on a couple of forums that no longer exist but because the servers the forums sat on at the time i had access to all of the conversations. It was a different time as everything is now different when it comes to domain registrations and protecting the site owner and admin information. Been a long time but if memory servers me it was around 1990 as i got my account through ARPANET and a major local university i was helping move from a bulletin board to a series of websites that let you use Lynx which was a text based browser. Hope that answers your question

 

[GravelTeeth]

In the early 90's things were different back then as the internet was just starting out and i had been doing uucp and bulletin boards for years at that time. I started developing internet sites at a time companies like MS didn't even have a web browser back then. I used to co-locate servers around the world and host hundreds of forums when they 1st started to appear and at that time i had a Internic account which is tough to get these days but one of the things it allowed me to do was check domain registrations which at that time never hid any personal info on the domain owners. There were no privacy back then like there is now. Anyways over the years i had run across the Lagina's on a couple of forums that no longer exist but because the servers the forums sat on at the time i had access to all of the conversations. It was a different time as everything is now different when it comes to domain registrations and protecting the site owner and admin information. Been a long time but if memory servers me it was around 1990 as i got my account through ARPANET and a major local university i was helping move from a bulletin board to a series of websites that let you use Lynx which was a text based browser. Hope that answers your question

Here's where I'm at with this: I find it strange and moderately suspicious that, within the same day, both you and TruthbeTold made the same outlandish claim that domains formerly containing content about Oak Island had been bought up by a Lagina/History Channel cabal, with the implication that the purpose was to silence sites that would have presented competing narratives or unflattering alternatives to the material presented in the show. TruthbeTold's claim turned out to be a nothing, as usual, and he went silent on the topic once he'd argued himself into a corner he couln't get out of.

I was looking for something more substantial from you. Your long paragraph essentially boils down to "I had access to info that the rest of you can't get", but unfortunately that doesn't really do the trick of substantiating that claim. For one thing, your timelines don't match up. As we've covered, the History Channel's involvement with the Laginas did not begin until Kevin Burns pitched the show to them in 2013. That's well into the era when domain registration privacy toggle was a thing (as I can attest from my own domains going back to at least 2009, IIRC). More to the point, the show itself didn't debut until 2014, so there would have been no need for such a coordinated effort to quash other Oak Island outlets before that, using the implied premise for argument's sake. Now, you've told us of a batch of episodes starring Laginas that existed in some less formal way before the History Channel series, right? The only problem is, as reasonable as it sounds on the surface, I'm finding no evidence anywhere else of that, either.

I, and presumably others, would want more tangible proof that these things occurred if we are to trust in them. So try again. Cite your sources, with specificity. Until then, your assertion(s) must remain "unsubstantiated/theoretical".

--GT
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[BuzzMarshall]

TruthbeTold and I do NOT agree on very much and i have said on other posts, as well i have no information on the sites he mentions as I was never involved with any of them.

I am not asking ANYONE to believe anything i said other then making the point that there is more to the history of the Lagina's and Oak Island then their involvement with The History Channel.

To be blunt... the Lagina's and the Fellowship of the Dig dudes along with HC has spent time and money obfuscating some of the old sites and info they contained for whatever reasons and I for one am not willing to take steps that get some lawyer on my butt over media rights.

Talking about that old stuff is one thing but posting old origin forum/website data is something that I will not do, but i did mention that for anyone willing there are archive sites out there that may contain some info but thats up to you and others to go check on.

I am sure the info is still around someplace on the Internet for people with the network skills to glean it if they really wanted it. Thats the problem with forums, way to many that hang on a forum go no where else as they pull all their info from one common place and don't spend much time looking for other sources as it isn't as simple and only going one place.

I really like TN and wish i had come across it much earlier as i came here following other treasure threads regarding other topics like the spanish treasures and ships and then later i realized they had the Oak Island threads so i check them occasionally to see whats up.

Look... I only posted what i said because this site seems to have its Oak Island threads mostly pertaining to information on the topic from around the 2014 era when History Channel took over and all i was trying to point out is that the Lagina's and the original crew took up the whole Oak Island thing HC came along.

I respect the idea of discussions but in light of a overabundance of non-believers (which I respect) I am in no way interested in wasting time getting stuck in a back and forth with people not willing to do their own work as the information is there for anyone really wanting to look.

As i have posted before... do i believe that something Was on Oak Island in the past, probably, as there are many things historically that tend to point to something at some point in history. do i think something is still there, probably not but the history part of what they are documenting from man being there going back much earlier then the original OI legend is what i find interesting.

 

[ThePantomath]

Entire thing is a con.. they can't get permits to develop the island but they can get archeology permits and if the island happens to get ummm "infamous" and "buildable" in the process well then 500k per acre is certainly a treasure!!

Sucker born every minute.

 

[Limitool]

It appears the last episode was just a rerun of the last few. I was hoping for something new. I just hope they don't head back to Europe again looking for some long lost connection as before. What could they possibly find connected to something of value buried...?

 

[Carl-NC]

In the context of the Oak Island mystery, think of all the things they've found which weren't part of the documented history, but nevertheless are plainly there.

I have no doubt that a lot of things have happened in OI that were never documented. A good archaeologist could figure some of that out but it won't sell TV ads, meanwhile archaeological evidence is being destroyed and misrepresented on an episodal basis.

What I am trying to get across, apparently unsuccessfully, is that all of the background story on the OIMP legend is unreliable. It is all based on oral traditions and is obviously full of embellishments, as later versions often have more and different details than earlier versions. You simply can't (and shouldn't) take any of it at face value. Personally, I suspect there is a grain of truth to the story, maybe that some young-uns dug a hole pretending to look for pirate treasure. But a block & tackle? Oak platforms every 10 feet? Pick marks on the walls of the hole? An inscribed stone at 90 feet? Man-made flood tunnels? All that stuff is made up, and when you discount all the parts of the story that smell bad, you end up with nothing interesting.

I find it strange and moderately suspicious that, within the same day, both you and TruthbeTold made the same outlandish claim that domains formerly containing content about Oak Island had been bought up by a Lagina/History Channel cabal, with the implication that the purpose was to silence sites that would have presented competing narratives or unflattering alternatives to the material presented in the show.

Here's something we can agree on. Makes no sense to buy a domain to silence critics. That's just a game of whack-a-mole, and currently there are plenty of critics they haven't bought off. Gonna have to give this one a nope.

 

[TruthbeTold]

From this website several years ago:

https://www.treasurenet.com/threads/death-of-research-and-truth.648349/

The archive site mentioned has been heavily edited since this was posted. In most cases when going to a page to do research an image of the island with a skull is shown with no content.

Some links posted on the archive site now takes one to the “Oak Island Tours” website. That’s a smoking gun as to the lagina’s involvement in the factual information cover-up.

Only content left is content that is nebulous or does not debunk the lagina’s story line.