A LOOK AT JAMES BEVERLY WARD, AGENT OF THE BEALE PAPERS

[legrand]

"Hickory Dickory Dock...
Two Mice Ran Up The Clock...(tick tock...tick tock)
The Clock Stuck One...

...And The Other One Got Away."

I know you guys are working hard on this mystery, I know you think me a clown, I know you're impatient for knowledge...but, we must wait for the great things ahead. There's a reason for the wait. Masterpieces are not completed in a day.

 

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[ECS]

Still 50/50. That four pages of Lt. Fawcett is for and against. So nothing new. You think I would give you a link without reading it...

...at the top of this letter is a handwritten note: "Lt Thomas Fawcett and I"'
Who is "I"
Is this "I" another unknown author?

 

[Rebel - KGC]

Agents from NSA visiting Lynchburg, Va. in 1940's...?

 

[ECS]

...at the top of this letter is a handwritten note: "Lt Thomas Fawcett and I"'
Who is "I"
Is this "I" another unknown author?

The point being, the unknown "I" who wrote the handwritten notes in the margins is the actual author of this letter to Col William Friedman and NOT Lt Thomas Fawcett.

 

[ECS]

Still 50/50. That four pages of Lt. Fawcett is for and against. So nothing new. You think I would give you a link without reading it. If you look at one of those pages you will find that Mrs. Adams did not want to talk to him till he gave her a letter of introduction. Also a copy of the letter she had sent to the copyright office asking about the Beale Story in 1934. And that was as I said fifteen years before Lt. Fawcett came to Lynchburg in 1949...

...and how old were you, Franklin, in 1949?

 

[ECS]

You can do the same research that I did and find out for yourself that there were those still living in 1885 in Lynchburg that would have been of age in the early 1820s. If you don't want to, that's fine, but I have seen it. Therefore, i know that your last witness to Beale is not accurate...

If you have done the research, do you have names and their statements confirming Beale's stay with Morris or at Buford's?
Pascal and Francis Buford never mention a Beale stay to their children as family history, and when questioned about the Beale Papers story, the grown Buford children, Rowland D Buford, Margaret L Buford, and Ann Buford Hall, stated they had NO knowledge of Beale, his stay at their parents Inn , or of any talk of a treasure vault.
So, yes, Francis Buford was that last witness who could confirm or deny the portion of the Beale story concerning his stay at Buford's while constructing a treasure vault.

 

[Old Silver]

If you have done the research, do you have names and their statements confirming Beale's stay with Morris or at Buford's?
Pascal and Francis Buford never mention a Beale stay to their children as family history, and when questioned about the Beale Papers story, the grown Buford children, Rowland D Buford, Margaret L Buford, and Ann Buford Hall, stated they had NO knowledge of Beale, his stay at their parents Inn , or of any talk of a treasure vault.
So, yes, Francis Buford was that last witness who could confirm or deny the portion of the Beale story concerning his stay at Buford's while constructing a treasure vault.

You've been warned about arguing with everyone on here.
You know good and well what I've said on this subject, that you can find people alive in 1885 who were also alive in 1820-1822. If you don't have genealogical experience, then have someone look it up for you. Please stop posting with an agenda to argue with everyone here. As we have told you many times, we are just here to consider and discuss POSSIBILITIES, and no one is claiming proof of anything, so please take the warning of the moderator and stop arguing with us.

 

[franklin]

If you ran a boarding house and a few gentlemen stayed with you for a few days would you remember them after fifty or sixty years? I don't think so. If it was something out of the ordinary, yes. But they did not know of their enterprise or their works so I don't think I could recall a few gentlemen or even one gentleman after fifty years or so unless there was something that I could remember them by.

 

[Old Silver]

If you ran a boarding house and a few gentlemen stayed with you for a few days would you remember them after fifty or sixty years? I don't think so. If it was something out of the ordinary, yes. But they did not know of their enterprise or their works so I don't think I could recall a few gentlemen or even one gentleman after fifty years or so unless there was something that I could remember them by.

It wasn't at Bufords where Beale is said to have built a reputation with the people, but at Robert Morriss' place. So you are correct, there was nothing outstanding for anyone to remember, at a place where people came and went all the time. And no one would have known about a treasure vault except those in the group, so...
And as we all know, this doesn't mean the story has to be true, it only means it doesn't have to be false. So on with the search.

 

[ECS]

You've been warned about arguing with everyone on here.
You know good and well what I've said on this subject, that you can find people alive in 1885 who were also alive in 1820-1822. If you don't have genealogical experience, then have someone look it up for you. Please stop posting with an agenda to argue with everyone here. As we have told you many times, we are just here to consider and discuss POSSIBILITIES, and no one is claiming proof of anything, so please take the warning of the moderator and stop arguing with us.

I am not nor have I posted with an agenda to argue with anyone on these Beale threads, including this and other threads that I have started.
With that said, I do question posts on possibilities that are presented as fact, but I will not pursue that, as it may be interpreted as arguing, and as you have taken it upon yourself to point out, "I have been warned".
I appreciate your concern for my well being on TN.

 

[ECS]

A quick review of those who knew the truth behind the story in the Beale Papers.
James Beverly Ward-copyright agent and publisher
Harriet Buford Otey Ward- his wife
John William Sherman-Ward's cousin who printed the Beale Papers job shop pamphlet
Max Guggenheimer- businessman and friend of Ward who is mentioned in the Beale Papers
Charles W Button- Owner of print shop and LYNCHBURG VIRGINIAN where Sherman worked and advertised the Beale Papers.
F C Hutter-Ward cousin who some have claimed either wrote the Beale story, or created the some of the ciphers before dying.
All these people existed and can be researched, and that can not be said of the Thomas J Beale of the story, which no one has ever been able to prove existed, which has given rise to all the alternative stories behind the Beale story, like the Thomas Read version, that have been presented.

Either the Beale story as presented in the Beale Papers is true, or it is a work of fiction.
When one presents an alterative behind the Beale story theory, that is an admission that the presented Beale narrative story in the 1885 Beale Papers is a work of fiction.

 

[franklin]

Say that 5,000 times and go to bed. Take two aspirins and call me in the morning.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

Wish SOME of the DESCENDANTS of the "Players in this "DRAMA" of 1885 would get on "here" (TN)... "post" a word or 2; "Fiction" or "Non-fiction", or "Cover-Story" (FACTION).

 

[ECS]

The descendants of the 1885 "players" have been conspicuous over the years by their lack of interest in the Beale story, and in some instances an utter avoidance of the subject.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

VERY "Telling", INDEED!

 

[ECS]

VERY "Telling", INDEED!

Very telling, Yes, INDEED!

 

[Rebel - KGC]

A look at "JB" Ward continues... DOB: 01/27/1822, ONLY child of Giles & Adeline (Risque) Ward; DOD: May 16, 1907; married Harriet Otey in 1841, ending up with 11 children, 20 grand-children. WHEW! MORE later...

 

[franklin]

A look at "JB" Ward continues... DOB: 01/27/1822, ONLY child of Giles & Adeline (Risque) Ward; DOD: May 16, 1907; married Harriet Otey in 1841, ending up with 11 children, 20 grand-children. WHEW! MORE later...

His father's grandfather's name was James Ward.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

MOST info will be "taken" from PV's book, THE BEALE TREASURE: NEW History of a MYSTERY, Chapters 15-20, pg. 128-163... AND! MANY other "sources"...

 

[Rebel - KGC]

FIRST born of "JB" & Harriet Ward was a SON... "JUNIOR"! "JB", Jr., SWEET BABY JAMES; James Taylor singing in background... heh.