A GUIDE TO VAULT TREASURE HUNTING (Condensed)

[In Deep]

I had a dog that got bite by a rattlesnake took him to a vet and they feed him Benedryl he was fine in a couple days

 

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[Crosse De Sign]

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Bob, I know what ya' mean about snakes...

 

[InkingHubris]

So, just for the curious, you mention the sentinels and how they continuously to this day watch and remark the vaults. So.. the ones where you can get to them and find them and start digging, what happens if they come around while you are there?

 

[Crosse De Sign]

Probly take a scalp, rob 'an then jus' leave ya'
there fer the wolves & buzzards, reckon...

 

[AIORIA]

So, just for the curious, you mention the sentinels and how they continuously to this day watch and remark the vaults. So.. the ones where you can get to them and find them and start digging, what happens if they come around while you are there?

I would say that the day you decide to dig would be the day you take some close friends with you and all of you carry a firearm and have some of them up on the top of the hills with binoculars on the look out and have a few friends with you digging and some on the lookout watching your backs while you dig. All of you keeping constant communication with each other in case you see any of these sentinels coming towards you then you all stick together and handle the situation. Strength in numbers.

At best the sentinels will see a gang of people and will leave instead of trying to confront you, and at worst (God willing it doesn't have to come to that) you will have the odds on your side if the sentinel(s) decide they want to become aggressive.

I have found many criss cross spots in many different areas (Sandy was right there are literally hundreds if not thousands of sites across the US) but I have not dug anything because I want to get some good metal detectors and see if I can get a hit (confirmation) at any of these spots before I decide to dig anything.

 

[In Deep]

I have not dug anything because I want to get some good metal detectors and see if I can get a hit (confirmation) at any of these spots before I decide to dig anything.

What metal detector are you looking at?
If its buried 9 feet deep in bed rock what will detect that

 

[AIORIA]

What metal detector are you looking at?
If its buried 9 feet deep in bed rock what will detect that

To be honest In Deep i'm not sure if even the best Pulse machines like the Lorenz Deepmax Z1 or the Pulse Star 2 will be able to pick up a treasure past 7 feet. I've never had either one of these machines (except for the older model DEEPMAX X3) so I can't really say how deep they will go but I believe that to be able to detect that deep or more will probably require some specialized equipment like a potassium gradiometer and or a good resistivity detector. I am looking at the gradiometer that GEM systems offers from Canada but it is VERY expensive. We're talking in the $25 grand plus range.... These are the ones that archaeologists use to find ancient sites and burials and are supposed to be the best in the world currently offered.

Perhaps some of the smaller caches were buried at the minimum height that was allowed by the King of Spain which was supposed to be 5'7"? This would be ideal to find in my opinion as it is something that can be worked rather quickly by 1 or 2 guys and you are in and out with a good chance of not getting caught or seen by sentinels and or good old big brother....

Although Sandy did state that the King's vaults will ALWAYS be in bedrock, but smaller caches are the exception (please correct me if i'm wrong on this)
"Many small storages don't have cap rocks (just a hole with rocks and dirt)"
and those would be ideal because in his guide it also states that the smaller, shallower caches won't be death trapped.

To be honest with you I have NO EXPERIENCE digging deep and am nervous about setting off a death trap once in the hole if it is a King's vault, so for now I would rather try and find the shallower smaller stuff and hopefully stay safe.......

 

[BARKER]

Hi Folks; QUESTION: What do you guys think are Percentages of a Kings Vault vs a Smaller Cache Which one has more of them PEACE:RONB

 

[Crosse De Sign]

Hi Folks; QUESTION: What do you guys think are Percentages of a Kings Vault vs a Smaller Cache Which one has more of them PEACE:RONB

Hi Barker, hope you are doing ok.
Sandy may be able to give us an idea,
at least what he has found, of shallower
caches, in relation to the deeper. May vary
in different areas though, just as the markers
are laid out very similar, though not necessarily
exact. The sentinels' method of marking seems to
also be varied. At least to what has been observed.

I see sandy liked the metal detector post by In Deep.
That's good to see, that with whatever he's been up to,
he is apparently still able to at least look in, to see what
some of us are up to, or talking about. So apparently, he's
avoided the snakes, or maybe the barbarian sentinels?

 

[Crosse De Sign]

AIORIA, that may work or not, if you know or remember,
who the sentinels confronting sandy sounded to be...

Wish I had more people I could really trust...

 

[In Deep]

We're talking in the $25 grand plus range....

I guess we will have to all pitch in and get one and then we can travel around and dig each others stuff
its a win win we have somebody to watch out for trouble and we know something is there

 

[Backwoodsbob]

That's a good idea, I'm game. I know how to see without being seen. I'm always packing.

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[AIORIA]

Crosse De Sign, that's very true. It's very hard to find someone you can trust when dealing with such things as even your best friend (who is supposed to be protecting you) could turn and shoot you in the back once you get down to the goods.

Crosse, in your last post #637 you made a statement that I believe I need to say something to you about. You stated:
"Sandy may be able to give us an idea, at least what he has found, of shallower caches, in relation to the deeper."

With all due respect to Sandy1 (someone whom I admire and am very grateful for) I will simply advise you Crosse and anyone else who has any questions about the depths he's encountered in his diggings that it would be better to not ask him because those questions are off limits. I will admit that I reluctantly asked the same questions about the depths more than once and unfortunately I had to learn my lesson the hard way.

I got comfortable and didn't realize that asking this would raise a red flag, even though it seems like a benign and honest enough question; I now realize how I must have come across asking him more than once the same question about the different depths he's encountered.

So in conclusion i'd like to give all of you a heads up so that you don't do the same mistake I did and get cut off. This man is an invaluable help (a living legend) and you don't want to give him the slightest reason to cut you off.

Live long my good friend Sandy and God bless.

 

[Crosse De Sign]

Very interesting talk & ideas, sounds like some scheming.
Y'all, I would have to at least cover something small first,
to pitch in on an item like that. Yes, sounds like a good,
new technology piece of equipment for sure. May not
really want to work with a ornery hillbilly anyhoo...

Yes AIORIA,

I hear you, and do very much understand. I do recall, when the "Markers That Specifically"
thread was in process, and sandy was making his guide, while taking the time to instruct
those of us who were fortunate and participated, and he answered some of our questions.

Some questions were not answered I observed, and tried not to ask repeatedly, the same
question, but then understood he did not wish to answer, for his reason(s), and respected
that. I did ask a lot of questions, in open forum and by PM. Some questions were apparently
acceptable, and got answered, even if just minimally, or in brief. As I said, I tried to recognize
this, and I want to tell all of you. I have been questioned too. I answered the question honestly,
and have tried to be patient and respectful. I know sometimes I may have asked too much, but
my motive has always been to learn. Not to say anything improper, or to be taken wrong at all:

All I am saying, is that I do feel very fortunate, when sandy has time to reply to us at all.
He apparently has had some kind of experiences, and so does even warn to be cautious.
I will tell you, I have been warned, and have taken good council under advisement. We
will probably all do well, to be very cautious, talk like the lawyers do, watch our backs,
and friends naturally, and like you say AIORIA, don't ask the same question repeatedly.
Knowing it may as you said, raise a red flag, or at the least, possibly become somewhat
annoying...

Like I said, I have been questioned, and am glad & feel fortunate that periodically we can
get a response from our good friend. That's why I periodically say how are you to sandy,
in open forum. When he get's time, I am sure he will be talking to us more, and always
look forward to reading his responses, and the added info he has so generously shared
with us all. I am sure, that we are going to learn, or should I say, come to understand
what we have been taught more. I noticed there's been a bit more info of knowledge,
experience, and particulars at times, kinda' like fine tuning a high-perf race motor.
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[BARKER]

Hi Folks; In talking about Depths I too have made that mistake. We live & learn. It is hoped that such mistakes are taken in the light of a Teacher dealing with new Students which in this case We have become the New Students and Sandy has become the Teacher. The Teacher knows that the New Students are going to make mistakes and ask dumb questions even with the purest of hearts. The Teacher also knows that this will happen with each new batch of Students. Hence it is that if We make a mistake by asking a dumb question that it is not taken in Offence but rather as an opportunity to Teach the New Student(s).
It is furthermore expected that the mistake of asking a dumb question not be taken as a point of Chastisement towards any so called New Students ok. That We would all do well to remember that We are ALL here to learn from the Teacher and each other. THAT my friends is called Growth. May God Bless Us All. Sandy please continue. PEACE:RONB

 

[Crosse De Sign]

Well spoken Barker,

I am sure we all know & realize that sandy has been one of the most
patient people, ever on TN, that we have ever talked to, and especially
in light to this level of sharing information. If I annoy, or whatever, then
the best I can do, is to show growth, just as you said, & continue to be
patient. We all learn & trust to some extent, and certainly understand
given the serious nature of the subject. Trust is earned, and honesty
can be faked in the short run, but true loyalty only demonstrated.
Patience is developed, & pays off well in the long run. No one
can ever be too cautious, ever. Just a few basic thoughts.
You all take care, & have a good one...

 

[Backwoodsbob]

I concur with the both of you

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[dsty]

Use a Standard detector just put it in the mineral setting and wait for the decrease in the tone, when the mineral is disturbed it will never come back

 

[Crosse De Sign]

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[RockHopper2]

Does anyone know how to work a 10" diamond rock before I start digging. Has a small skull between the left point and bottom point. It was burried next to the small A-frame rock. Thanks Rocky