2008 EXPEDITION: YAMASH-I-T-A ( Japanese) TREASURE

[dindo_bayaua]

Re: 2007 EXPEDITION: YAMASH-I-T-A ( Japanese) TREASURE

Angel_09

That was not meant for you friend.

 

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[sandugo]

Re: 2007 EXPEDITION: YAMASH-I-T-A ( Japanese) TREASURE

whew! i'm beginning to like this thread.

 

[bomber]

Re: 2007 EXPEDITION: YAMASH-I-T-A ( Japanese) TREASURE

best thread on tnet

 

[sandugo]

Re: 2007 EXPEDITION: YAMASH-I-T-A ( Japanese) TREASURE

is not this yama-sh-itas plate? lol

 

[sandugo]

Re: 2007 EXPEDITION: YAMASH-I-T-A ( Japanese) TREASURE

a better picture of yamas-hi-tas dinner plate, he must have swallowed the missing gems while eating in hurry during his escape from the americans. lol

 

[angel_09]

Re: 2007 EXPEDITION: YAMASH-I-T-A ( Japanese) TREASURE

I hope that item will be appreciated by TH net community.

In showing that plate, you will have mixed reactions from members, as follows:

1. WOW, that’s nice!
2. Is it real?
3. Who made it?
4. It’s been passing to the net ever since.
5. Looks real….
6. Show me the assay report…

And the worst….
7. Another item to lure the T net members..

BUT.....
IT IS A BEAUTIFUL PLATE!

Angel_09

 

[Edong]

Re: 2007 EXPEDITION: YAMASH-I-T-A ( Japanese) TREASURE

I hope that item will be appreciated by TH net community.

In showing that plate, you will have mixed reactions from members, as follows:

1. WOW, that’s nice!
2. Is it real?
3. Who made it?
4. It’s been passing to the net ever since.
5. Looks real….
6. Show me the assay report…sorry jeff could fix these for me thanks try to make it right next time Ed

And the worst….
7. Another item to lure the T net members..

BUT.....
IT IS A BEAUTIFUL PLATE!

Angel_09

Another thing, I did not started this debate....

I have presented my proof, you have presented your words....

Angel_09

 

[gboy]

Re: 2007 EXPEDITION: YAMASH-I-T-A ( Japanese) TREASURE

Angel_09,

These is our arguments begins...
1) You said that the gold cannot be copied....I SAID YES, THE GOLD SYNDICATE CAN COPY/FAKED IT.... IN APPEARANCE, DIMENSION/SIZE AND SHAPE...BUT NOT IN WEIGHT....an ignorant greedy buyer will not see the difference in weight...
2) Now you said the gold cannot be copied in its exact weight....OF COURSE, IT CAN NOT, GOLD IS GOLD....IT HAS ITS OWN SPECIFIC DENSITY...no argument needed...

My point is gold can be copied/faked...BUT NOT PERFECTLY THE SAME QUALITIES AS GOLD....thats why there are lots of gold scam victims, specialy the ignorant/greedy gold buyers.


SWR,
1) You have NOT SEEN PHYSICALLY...ORIGINAL ASIAN GOLD BAR OR FAKE ONES.....
2) You have NOT been into a single YAMASHITA TREASURE SITE....therefore your UNDERSTANDING ABOUT YAM TH....IS INCOMPLETE AND VERY LIMITED.....

If you are a jury,judge or critic...How the heck can you conclude and criticise a Yam TH topic in which you have a very limited information or incomplete research...aber?
Meaning YOU HAVE NO EXPERTISE IN THESE YAM TH TOPIC...SO HOW CAN YOU JUDGE IT? wild guess or envy maybe?

Sandugo,
For your perusal and for treasurenet....I will gave you a stencil/xerox copy....of ORIG 6 KILO UBS GOLD BAR. And I post our treasure cave also...picture and drawing.

Greenhorn.
If you can find in google...6 KILO UBS GOLD BAR...then you are a good researcher...


GENTLEMEN,
Due to Sandugo demand...i will post or share our supposed to be "Confidential or Controversial Yam TH files".

1) Xerox/Stencil copy from ORIG 6 KILO, UBS GOLD BAR in 1996.....(I hope nobody will try to fake or copy it). Only one gold bar was sold and the old man seller is gone into hiding.

2) Picture of FACE CAVE TREASURE ....Japs treasure cave with carved HUMAN FACE (10 feet) as cave entrance...and carved VAGINA (2 feet) on its forehead....est treasure inside the cave maybe 50 tons...

3) DUMAGAT SECRET TREASURE 1....The treasure is in the cave beyond the waterfalls with est. 100 tons gold, initially hauled 48 pcs, 6 kilos by 12 NPA rebels in 1986. On their 2nd hauling attempt they were ambushed by military, 11 died only one survived and disabled (now our live pointer). It took our team2-3 years of jungle exploration before we finally found it in 2004 ( picture are not shown for security reason). We deferred the hauling bcoz we never trusted our local/native porters.....baka kami2 dun magpatayan sa site...

AND NOW...THE CONTROVERSY, CRITICISM AND ARGUMENT IS BACK AGAIN TO ME...natural ako bida dito eh (joke lang)....

 

[gboy]

Re: 2007 EXPEDITION: YAMASH-I-T-A ( Japanese) TREASURE

Gentlemen,

Sorry I double posted the UBS gold bar stencil...nag ka error kasi, dahil malaki file ng Dumagat...
Sorry also for the Dumagat Secret Treasure 1, I tried but it was not attached bcoz the files is too big.....my file is 262KB. While the allowable file in treasurenet is only 256kb, whew konti na lang sana pasok na...

 

[gboy]

Re: 2007 EXPEDITION: YAMASH-I-T-A ( Japanese) TREASURE

SWR,

1) "This thread is littered with fake bars of gold. How can you claim I have not seen one?"

Bcoz you have NOT seen one physically.. ..What you saw here in this thread are just "alleged" fake gold bars w/o physical or confirmatory assay. And its normal for a YAM TH CRITIC like you to see it that way.However, If you conduct actual and physical assay on the bar...THATS THE ONLY TIME YOU CAN CLAIM YOU CAN SEE ORIG OR FAKE GOLD BAR....
You can't even recognized a fake bar from orig one bcoz you HAVE NOT SEEN ONE...how the heck can you claim they are fake...

2)"You have not presented any plausible evidence of the existence of Yamashi.ta’s Legend. It is safe to say that you have not been into a single Yamashi.ta treasure site."

A) I have posted my 100+ Yam TH sites...YOU HAVE NOT...EVEN A SINGLE ONE...
B) I debated with experienced Yam Treasure hunter...YOU HAVE NOT, BCOZ OF LACK OF YTH EXPEREINCE...
c) I shared my YTH stories...YOU HAVE NOT, BCOZ YOU NEVER HAD ANY YTH EXPERIENCE TO TELL.

In other words...WHAT YOU'VE GOT ARE JUST SIMPLE DENIAL OF YAM TH EXISTENCE...In court of law...a simple denial won't stand in court...

3) " You continually defend these fake bars of gold. Yet, you bring no plausible evidence to the table that an Expedition exists, or that Yamashi.ta’s Treasure exists. Odd"

Read these post from the beginning and understand each post for your perusal....however, Since you insist to be dumb and blind re Yam TH existence...no amount of plausible evidence is needed...

4) Hey !! Why you didn't give comments on my FACE CAVE and UBS bar stencil...he,he,he....simply bcoz its UNDENIABLE

a) How the heck a 6 kilo UBS gold bar landed in Philippines (w/ its precise dimension, hallmark, wieght) if UBS gold bar for sale today are just small bars.....he,he,he...thats part of YAM TREASURE AMIGO plausable evidence INDEED !!!

b) You insist for me to show or provide a typical Japs treasure cave....
Posted/attached below is a beautifully carved face cave...a typical Japs treasure cave and marker...
FYI....Japs Treasure code for Vagina....means woman or precious item....a woman/vagina is man's most prized possession, just like treasures....and it is inside the cave...means a precious items inside the cave...INTIENDES?.....oh, I remember you have not yet research Yam TH codes...

 

[Ryan1979]

Re: 2007 EXPEDITION: YAMASH-I-T-A ( Japanese) TREASURE

I hope that item will be appreciated by TH net community.

In showing that plate, you will have mixed reactions from members, as follows:

1. WOW, that’s nice!
2. Is it real?
3. Who made it?
4. It’s been passing to the net ever since.
5. Looks real….
6. Show me the assay report…sorry jeff could fix these for me thanks try to make it right next time Ed

And the worst….
7. Another item to lure the T net members..

BUT.....
IT IS A BEAUTIFUL PLATE!

Angel_09

Another thing, I did not started this debate....

I have presented my proof, you have presented your words....

Angel_09

Edong,

What is this?

 

[angel_09]

Re: 2007 EXPEDITION: YAMASH-I-T-A ( Japanese) TREASURE

"Gold syndicate are good nowadays...they can copy a fake gold that had almost the same weight and volume of orig gold bar....
EXAMPLE: GOLD PLATED LEAD (TINGGA) GOLD BAR....MOLDED/RESHAPED FROM ORIG GOLD BAR
In comparison:
a) The appearance looks the same (gold plated).
b) The dimension/volume looks the same (can be molded and reshape from orig gold bar)...
c) The weight is almost the same (lead is as heavy as gold)...

Therefore the fake gold bar...can have the same appearance, dimension and weight just like the orig gold bar.........." GBOY



"Angel_09,

These is our arguments begins...
1) You said that the gold cannot be copied....I SAID YES, THE GOLD SYNDICATE CAN COPY/FAKED IT.... IN APPEARANCE, DIMENSION/SIZE AND SHAPE...BUT NOT IN WEIGHT....an ignorant greedy buyer will not see the difference in weight...
2) Now you said the gold cannot be copied in its exact weight....OF COURSE, IT CAN NOT, GOLD IS GOLD....IT HAS ITS OWN SPECIFIC DENSITY...no argument needed...

My point is gold can be copied/faked...BUT NOT PERFECTLY THE SAME QUALITIES AS GOLD....thats why there are lots of gold scam victims, specialy the ignorant/greedy gold buyers." GBOY

GBOY,

I copied both of your statement for them to differentiate the taste of both salt.

I have had learned from the hard ways, and this impels me to make it easier for the others.

However,
if someone is having difficulty squeezzing in, I always open my door bit wider.

Angel_09

 

[gboy]

Re: 2007 EXPEDITION: YAMASH-I-T-A ( Japanese) TREASURE

Angel_09,

1) Our difference start when you said....NOBODY CAN COPY OR FAKE AN ORIG GOLD BAR....
I SAID ...YES IT CAN BE COPIED AND FAKED....the size, dimension and almost the same weight....
2) YOU SAID THAT "This is one of the reasons why gold syndicates cannot pass a piece of metal bar as gold bar, even this bar smell, look, taste as a legit gold bar."
I said YES, the gold syndicate can pass or sell an OBVIOUSLY fake gold bar....Simply bcoz NOT ALL GOLD BUYER HAVE THE KNOWLEDGE TO ASSAY IT OR DIFFERENCIATE FROM FAKE AND ORIG....even though some gold bars is pretty obvious fake, out of size, out of dimension and less weight...
MY POINT IS...EITHER ITS ORIG GOLD BAR OR OBVIOUSLY UGLY FAKE BAR...SOMETIMES IT STILL VICTIMIZE, PASSES OR SOLD TO IGNORANT GOLD BUYERS...

SWR,
1) "The pictures provided by the Yamashi.ta proponents have no documentation to prove their authenticity"
AND YOU HAVE NO PROOF DOCUMENTATION OR YOUR PHYSICAL ASSAY THAT THESE GOLD BARS ARE FAKE EITHER...
what you've got are just newspaper clippings of fake gold bar syndicate stories W/O PICTURE OF THE ALLEGED FAKE GOLD BAR. Meaning you simply assume that ALL GOLD BARS FROM YAM TH ARE FAKE....which are NOT.

and who do you think have credible knowledge regarding Yam treasures or gold....from NON-YamTH critic like you...or from experience YAM TH like me? It is pretty obvious that am more credible to talk regarding Yam TH....isn't it?

2) " The photo you have supplied has been altered. Why is this not a big surprise.
FYI....there is not a Japanese Treasure code for Vagina. You need to learn the Japanese culture"
a)Again you tend to comment on something that YOU HAVE NO KNOWLDEGE ABOUT...LIKE JAPS TREASURE CODE....
In a debate, if you are ignorant on a certain topic (like Japs treas code) it would be better if you just kept quiet bcoz you will be rebutted... or mauled left and right... ...

b) And you tried to assume that the picture are altered?....he,he,he...WELL CARVED JAPS TREASURE MARKER...PICTURE TELLS ITSELF....no amount of denial or blind assessment can alter its true picture PROOF.

3) By the way,
You ask me to provide plausable evidence of Yam Treasures....
a) I posted PICTURE OF ASIAN ARTIFACTS....obviously Japs war booties
b) I posted a unique STENCIL OF 6 KILO , UBS GOLD BAR....even the googles doesn't have.
...AND WHAT I HEARD FROM YOU ARE JUST THUNDEROUS S-I-L-E-N-C-E....Meaning its a solid proof of Yam Treasures existence indeed....he,he,he...

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

Re: 2007 EXPEDITION: YAMASH-I-T-A ( Japanese) TREASURE

GBOY: For your information, the so called head / skull etc., in post # 1791 is simply a natural geological formation. Any amatuer geologist can easily see this.

Look at the "overall local configurations", not concentrating on just what you wish / hope to be a skull etc...

Try taking a photograph in the morning before the sun light arrives, then post it..

Till Eulenspeigel alias Don Jose de la Mancha

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

Re: 2007 EXPEDITION: YAMASH-I-T-A ( Japanese) TREASURE

EDONG: In post #1790,I have no idea what type of metal that bar is, but it was cut by a gas torch, It "doesn't appear to me to be a precious metal" from the appearance of the gas / cut flow.


Till Eulenspiegel --- Don Jose de La Mancha

 

[Twisted Fork]

Re: 2007 EXPEDITION: YAMASH-I-T-A ( Japanese) TREASURE

You know this is really starting to sound like the legend of the LUE all over again. Aren't legends fantastic? Maybe the Nazis were in on this one. Some of the legend states that the S.S. was really a bunch of thirsty knob slobbering girly men. Of course tuff in this legend takes on a whole new meaning. Can you dance like a ballerina in combat boots with an 80 pound pack? Twisted

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

Re: 2007 EXPEDITION: YAMASH-I-T-A ( Japanese) TREASURE

HI: Incidentally, what cave is under the Geological curiosity?

Till Eulenspiegel -- Don Jose de La Mancha

 

[gboy]

Re: 2007 EXPEDITION: YAMASH-I-T-A ( Japanese) TREASURE

SWR,

1) " The pictures provided are the actual proof the bars of gold are fake. You seem to be the only one who will not accept that fact."

Here we go again....and still...NO PROOF DOCU/ASSAY OF FAKE GOLD BAR HAD BEEN SHOWN or attached to his gold bar photos or news clippings...
Your assumption derived ONLY FROM YOUR BIASED observation, expected from a typical Yam TH critic....

2) "You have fallen way short of providing any credibility of being an experienced “treasure hunter”..."
He,he,he....and who is more credible to discuss YamTH topic? A envious COIN HUNTER like you or from real YAM THr like me?

3) "There is no Japanese Treasure Code"
Thats right....YOU HAVE NO IDEA ABOUT Japanese TRES CODE....FOR NON-YAM THr like you simply bcoz you have NO idea or have not research Yam Treas....
Its understandable that ordinary COIN HUNTER like you...DOESN'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT Japanese TREAS. CODE...

4)"The picture in question has been altered"
The picture is altered?...ha,ha,ha....THE PICTURE SPEAKS FOR ITSELF its undeniably beautiful and unique Japanese treasure marker...
And expectedly ONLY REAL Yam TH will surely understand or appreciate its true meaning.
An ignorant COIN HUNTER like you will only be SHOCK AND AWE with envy...

5)" a)You posted a picture of items that are Oriental in nature. It was not obvious if they were made in China, Japan, Taiwan or War Booty."
Your admittance alone that these artifacts is Oriental in nature (not from Phils.) and recovered from Yam TH project ..Is enough proof that indeed Yam Treas/Japanese war booties DO EXIST....wither its gold bars or artifacts.....

b) The unique “stencil” you posted has no relevancy to Southeast Asia or Indochina pre-World War II. Maybe USB has an interest in why someone connected with fake gold bars has a “stencil” of their product.
The UBS stencil PROVES THAT EUROPEAN GOLD BARS (deposited in their Asian colonies) looted by the Japanese and buried in the Philippines.
If your alleged assumption that these UBS gold bar is fake....why is it that the stencil....dimension, size, shape and weight is perfect/exact for orig 6 kilo gold bar?....It only mean one thing ONLY ORIG GOLD BAR HAD THESE KIND OF QUALITIES...oks?
A fake gold bar cannot perfectly copied the EXACT metal qualities/properties of an orig gold bar...

6)"You can only wish my warnings of swindles, cons and flimflams were silenced. Your meaning of “solid proof” and the actual meaning of solid proof are entirely different."

REMOVED

7) "I have taken the liberty of posting the “negative” of Gboy’s picture of a human face with a vagina carved into the forehead. The evidence of alteration is plain to see.
Showing once again, the proponents of the Yamash.ita Treasure have supplied fabricated materials."
Our orig Japanese rock treasure marker picture can't tell a lie...NO MATTER HOW HARD YOU TRY...HE,HE,HE...


Realde,

1) "GBOY: For your information, the so called head / skull etc., in post # 1791 is simply a natural geological formation. Any amatuer geologist can easily see this.
Look at the "overall local configurations", not concentrating on just what you wish / hope to be a skull etc"

Your skepticsm of Japanese treasure marker is understandable simply bcoz you have NO IDEA what are Japanese treasure markers looks like....

FYI....Japanese treasure marker... purpose....is to make it unique, well defined carved and shocking enough to be NOTICED from closed or afar, so that it will guide the Yam treas hunters...
a) There are several type of Japanese treasure markers....MAN MADE (carved, tomb, statue, flag pole,concrete vault, kilometer post,etc), NATURAL (waterfalls, cave, rivers, trees)...or COMBINATION OF BOTH...
Meaning....If you are in the field searching for Yam treasure....ANY UNIQUE ROCK FORMATION/CARVED DESIGN/STRUCTURE/ITEMS...be it be man made or natural...is a typical candidate for Japanese treasure marker...
A FACE/VAGINA CAVE....is a typical example of that unique formation (man made or natural) that will guide treasure hunters for Japanese treasures...intiendes?

 

[angel_09]

Re: 2007 EXPEDITION: YAMASH-I-T-A ( Japanese) TREASURE

Note: Written below are my reply #1744 on: Sep 09, 2007, 06:24:55 PM »

Gboy wrote: "You may have a picture of UBS gold bar...but you will never know the exact dimension and size or shape of the gold bar (thats crucial in determining its authenticity)...thats why most gold syndicate can easily be caught bcoz they cannot copy the exact size dimension and shape of orig 24 k gold bar....thats the importance of having a stencil of orig 24 K UBS gold bar... "


Read this carefully Gboy:

Nobody, even a syndicate or legitimate gold dealer can copy the exact size, dimensions and shape of original 24K gold bar of corresponding weight using different metal; except of course tungsten, having almost identical SG as in gold. A little manipulation in alloying will give you a bar of tungsten similar to a bar of gold having an identical size, weight and dimensions.
This is one of the reasons why gold syndicates cannot pass a piece of metal bar as gold bar, even this bar smell, look, taste as a legit gold bar.
The reason why there are still some takers with this kind of scam is because of --- GREED.


That is my original argument posted on the above date, and everybody will notice that I agreed with him when he said that they cannot copy the exact size dimension and shape of orig 24 k gold.


This is your last argument Gboy:

1) Our difference start when you said....NOBODY CAN COPY OR FAKE AN ORIG GOLD BAR....
I SAID ...YES IT CAN BE COPIED AND FAKED....the size, dimension and almost the same weight....
2) YOU SAID THAT "This is one of the reasons why gold syndicates cannot pass a piece of metal bar as gold bar, even this bar smell, look, taste as a legit gold bar."
I said YES, the gold syndicate can pass or sell an OBVIOUSLY fake gold bar....Simply bcoz NOT ALL GOLD BUYER HAVE THE KNOWLEDGE TO ASSAY IT OR DIFFERENCIATE FROM FAKE AND ORIG....even though some gold bars is pretty obvious fake, out of size, out of dimension and less weight...
MY POINT IS...EITHER ITS ORIG GOLD BAR OR OBVIOUSLY UGLY FAKE BAR...SOMETIMES IT STILL VICTIMIZE, PASSES OR SOLD TO IGNORANT GOLD BUYERS...

Gboy,
it is pretty obvious that my argument is different from your last argument as stated on the highlighted statements.
Why the change of heart? Is it for the sake of discussion?
I understand, however, that essence in a statement deteriorates as time passes by, like a hard stone desintegrates due to current of water, but do not drown me with a glass of water...
Why this intricacies? Because in argumentation and discussions, factual statement is a must.....

Angel_09

 

[gboy]

Re: 2007 EXPEDITION: YAMASH-I-T-A ( Japanese) TREASURE

Angel_09,

1) "Nobody, even a syndicate or legitimate gold dealer can copy the exact size, dimensions and shape of original 24K gold bar of corresponding weight using different metal; except of course tungsten, having almost identical SG as in gold. A little manipulation in alloying will give you a bar of tungsten similar to a bar of gold having an identical size, weight and dimensions.
This is one of the reasons why gold syndicates cannot pass a piece of metal bar as gold bar, even this bar smell, look, taste as a legit gold bar"

I still stand on my point...THAT GOLD BAR SYNDICATE no matter how crude or obviously fake it may look, weigh,dimension, size or shape....can still pass a metal bar as gold bar...
Simply bcoz....NOT ALL GOLD BUYER....is expert in assaying a gold bar...most victimize are ignorant people...

SWR,
Here is another sample of my picture....HEART OF VALENCIA..of a successful treasure recovery. The Japs inserted the gold bars inside carved hole of a rock boulder and plastered it with cement to conceal it. And the nearby rock boulder is carved into heart shaped...a typical japs treasure marker.....Since most Japs treasure hunters are aware of these rock boulder technique...it can easily be recovered. This is a type of "small Japs treasure"...several gold bars pcs only...
Slowly...I will destory your Yam TH doubts...he,he,he...