2008 EXPEDITION: YAMASH-I-T-A ( Japanese) TREASURE

Re: 2007 EXPEDITION: YAMASH-I-T-A ( Japanese) TREASURE

Super Gayboy,

By the way...if you want to know if thru these years we found TREASURE.....hmmmm....WE DID ALREADY !! ::) (actually it is supposed to be our well kept secret, only our team/funders should know.... and should be announce several years from now)...however, since you are eager and drooling to know...here are our treasures sites updates....READY FOR HAULING....tumutulo na ba laway mo....he,he,he... ;D

A) These treasure sites hauling/recovery are assigned to my partner ..BUDZ
.....ingress/Igress, hauling plans, diversionary tactics, land owner or gov't politician and armed goons problems, secret/hidden depository safehouses, investment plans, ...and other minor kinks or possible problems should be ironed out first.
Est. time of completion: ASAP or several months/years to complete....until all possible problems prevented or solve.
Formal media announcement:....probably 5-10 years from now....it depends if the NEW Phil. President is not corrupt...

1) PB CAVE....gold stockpile, est. 2,000 pcs, 75 kg....pictured/inventored 1982...revisited May 2007
2) SINK HOLE CAVE....gold stockpile, est. 4 shiploads....inventored and initially/sample hauled (2 pcs, 75 kg) 1979...revisited May 2007


B) These treasure sites hauling recovery assigned to my partner... CLIFF
....hauling/recovery depends on logistics, weather and difficulty of terrain, needs scuba and speedboat training, expect politician and armed goons problem....
Est. time of completion: ASAP....until all treasure recovered, may take months or years...
Formal media announcement: maybe after 5-10 years after all treasures recovered are safe... and if NEW Phil President is NOT corrupt...

3) Underwater G. Budha/2 metal-box.......ready for hauling....unfortunately, our team doesn't know how to scuba dive...our team needs formal scuba training, speedboat handling manuever training, U/W salvage oprtn, etc......
Est time completion: no scheadule, not priority....
4) JAPS CAMP....scattered gold boxes, samurai, skeletons
5) CLIFFWALL CAVE....gold stockpile...est. 2-10 tons
6) JAPS PLANE...est. 2-5 tons boxes/cargoes believe to be precious.

I don't care if you are envious or not....THE MOST IMPORTANT IS...WE ARE VERY BUSY RIGHT NOW WITH OUR OWN TREASURE SITES PROJECTS....AND OUR TH FRIENDS AND FUNDERS ARE SATISFIED WITH OUR TH WORK updates...
....these treasure updates are supposed to be for our own perusal only for security reason....kaso makulit ka....na shock :o at tulo laway ka tuloy sa ganda...he,he,he... ;D
 

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Re: 2007 EXPEDITION: YAMASH-I-T-A ( Japanese) TREASURE

Gboy,

I could not PM you due to your inbox being full. PM mo ko baka magkakilala tayo, papaturo ako sa yo mag-TH!!! thanks

Joey
 

Re: 2007 EXPEDITION: YAMASH-I-T-A ( Japanese) TREASURE

SWR,

"Yes, the gold bar pictures you posted have been proven to be fake bars of gold. Your picture shows two different varieties of fake gold bars. The Sumatra version and the Cambodia version."

Your research are wrong or incomplete again....there are several Asian gold bars hall mark...not only Cambodia or Sumatra...but there are also Burma and Java gold hallmarks .....
Some of these gold bars are original specially those recovered from treasures...but some are also copied by syndicate.....
In 1996, we negotiated and sold.... original one piece gold bar with unique hallmark....UBS (Union Bank of Switzerland)...probably taken by japs from their Asian colonies or Allies, we are the only one who have these picture/stencil souveneir of these kind of gold bar hallmark....
However, we kept it secret our unique... UBS gold bar picture/stencil soveneir... bcoz we are afraid once it is exposed to the public, it maybe copied by some gold scammer....

Joey,

Just PM me or post it in treasurenet your TH questions...
YOU CAN NEVER PROVE A GOLD PICTURE IS FAKE OR NOT UNLESS....YOU CAN EXPLAIN ITS HALLMARK DISCREPANCIES OR SCIENTIFICALLY... ASSAYED....a mere picture observation is NOT AN ACCURATE ASSUMPTION......specially from a BIASED Yam Treasure skeptics like you...
 

Re: 2007 EXPEDITION: YAMASH-I-T-A ( Japanese) TREASURE

SWR,

BTW....YOU CAN NEVER PROVE A GOLD PICTURE IS FAKE OR NOT UNLESS....YOU CAN EXPLAIN ITS HALLMARK DISCREPANCIES OR SCIENTIFICALLY... ASSAYED....a mere picture observation is NOT AN ACCURATE ASSUMPTION......specially from a BIASED Yam Treasure skeptics like you...

Joey,
Just PM me...I erased already some PMs....or just post your treasure question here...

Dabz,

Your offer to buy will be considered someday....right now we are still plannng and finalizing (for security reason) our "gold pipeline" from the remote source to the buyer (M.Manila)....Its NOT easy to do and it may take....several days/months/year....bcoz it seems we had endless problems...logistics, weather, terrain, political, rebel or local harrassment, land ownership, guides availability...etc...

However....if everything is cleared and minor problems had been ironed out...and once our "PIPELINE" is secretly and securely in place...rest assured we will keep in touch with you.
We are planning for our big vol...to be "take over bodega" bcoz it would be very difficult for us move these items....or maybe surrendering these treasure hoard to our gov't in full view of int'l media is also being carefully studied and considered someday.
BTW...one wrong move...our team will be massacred...so we are very2 carefull about these....


FOR YAM TH CRITICS (SWR,Sandugo, Super Gayboy)
BTW...the more you deny the existence of Yam Treasure and underestimate our Yam TH team.....THE BETTER FOR OUR TEAM TO WORK/HAUL SECRETLY AND COVERTLY....he,he,he...... ;D ;D ;D
 

Re: 2007 EXPEDITION: YAMASH-I-T-A ( Japanese) TREASURE

Joe, i have already seen that one, it's a real fake. Believe me. Honestly, many times did we become victims of these Salaginto Gang (Filipino Gold Scamming Syndicate), in search for the Real Yam Treasure we have to take the risk just to prove that there and there really are some recovered treasures, but up to now we haven't proven anything yet. To tell you, this syndicates are well funded (some corrupt bigfish are behind them as back up) that they can produce a real gold bar to fool you and they are everywhere operating in our country. More so, they are not easy to deal with, they can go for a kill without hesitation and without warning if they know they are blown and know can't profit anything in a deal. Just be cautious when dealing with these self-confessed holders, but with the picture you have posted above, im sure that is a fake.

Gboy, I know one internationally respected semicon company whos employees are involved in selling fake gold bars. The company doesn't know about the sideline of its employees because these employees are actually stealing the Au metals on their keep. I hope you're not one of them Mr. Yam TH expert.

Super Gayboy, so you mean C_i__h____r doesn't go with Gboys claims? Because I am trying to connect things up.
 

Re: 2007 EXPEDITION: YAMASH-I-T-A ( Japanese) TREASURE

HI Gboy: simply bcoz as a former Semicon "Lab Test Engineer" its one of my job to determine the chemical properties of metals....including precious metals...
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I am curious, what techniques and equipment did you use?
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In 1996, we negotiated and sold.... original one piece gold bar with unique hallmark....UBS (Union Bank of Switzerland)...probably taken by Japanese from their Asian colonies or Allies, we are the only one who have these picture/stencil souveneir of these kind of gold bar hallmark....
However, we kept it secret our unique... UBS gold bar picture/stencil soveneir... bcoz we are afraid once it is exposed to the public, it maybe copied by some gold scammer....
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Hmm curious, I have an account there, their gold hallmark (?) is well known, nothing secret. One can have a gold account with them convertible to any currency in the world, or vice versa..

Don Jose de La Mancha
 

Re: 2007 EXPEDITION: YAMASH-I-T-A ( Japanese) TREASURE

Realde,

1)
Real de Tayopa said:
HI Gboy: simply bcoz as a former Semicon "Lab Test Engineer" its one of my job to determine the chemical properties of metals....including precious metals...
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I am curious, what techniques and equipment did you use?
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I will explain it in lay mans term:....A laser machines that measures the thickness of gold coating in the pins of IC's....(expensive IC's had gold coating on its pins)..
All IC pins in production must have uniformed standard gold coating for effective conductivity....if the gold coating in IC's pins is not uniform...naturally all the IC in the production will be rejected...this machine can also determine the % composition of metals..

Ex: If you put a " piece of gold with unknown alloys" inside these Test machine....it will tell the exact metal percentage composition ...ex: gold 80%....silver 15 %...nickel 5%....MEANING...IT WILL ACCURATELY TELL THE EXACT PERCENTAGE OF METAL COMPOSITION....OR ASSAY...we sometimes used this machine to determine the exact gold karats of our fellow engineers gold wedding rings...

2) "Hmm curious, I have an account there, their gold hallmark (?) is well known, nothing secret. One can have a gold account with them convertible to any currency in the world, or vice versa.."

Thats precisely my point...the syndicate cannot easily copy a UBS gold bars bcoz the exact design or gold hallmark can easily be verified and compared. Meaning the gold buyer can easily determinethe UBS gold bar authenticity....you cannot fool around selling fake UBS gold bars...bcoz the picture/stencil alone can easily be scrutinized and verified...
In other words, if you have a UBS gold bar/stencil from treasure...it must be ORIGINAL
Haven't you noticed....NOBODY was able to produce or post a UBS gold bar....in these forum?

SWR,
"Jeepers Gboy...maybe you'd like to explain to the readers why there would be hundreds of gold bars with Cambodia on them. We all know that Cambodia and most of Indochina used French currency"

I think you are barking at the wrong tree....It would be helpful for your research if you instead ask the Japs soldiers veterans or Cambodian Gold bankers, why they have LOTS of gold with cambodia gold hallmark....
Am just a Yam treasure hunter...I don't give a d_ _m if they have lots of Cambodian gold bars or not....gold is gold wither it is cambodian or not...my TH job is to recover them...PERIOD !!

SANDUGO,
he,he,he...are you asking INFO from Gener Sumilang or any other Ming people regarding our team treasure activities....FYI , they doesn't know anything regarding our treasure updates...or any other people in Ming....ONLY CLIFF, BUDZ AND ME knows our latest treasure updates....and our funders/th friends...AND OF COURSE, WE KEPT IT SECRET TO OTHER MING bystander...
Haven't you wandering why CLIFF is not in Ming for several months now? HE IS TRYING HIS BEST TO SET UP, ARRANGE, RELOCATE, PREPARE AND FACILITATE OUR...."GOLD PIPELINE".....hopefully...the gold...will started to trickles in or flow...this year or next year OR ASAP !!!....It is NOT easy, in fact its very very hard....but with our determination and God's blessing...its doable... ;D...yong pasaway dyan...MANIGAS KAYO SA INGGIT.......at umpisahan nyo na din maghukay2 sa sites nyo.... ;D

Joey,
I already erased some of my PM...it had 10 more PM vacancy....
And so you are also from semicon?...In 1989, I have very memorable moments as service engineer in Zilog Phils....I was just a new engineer and assigned to repair the newly installed auto mold...I was not able to repair the Daichi Seiko Auto mold....damage hydrolics sytem...ayaw gumana ang molde ;D
W/o the auto mold...Zilog used the manual mold and had very limited production for 2 days, cost $ millions, bcoz of delays !!....my boss FUMING MAD!!..bumubula ang bibig sa galit...well, I had an alibi...how the heck can I repair the damage hydrolics system?...I am an Electronic/comm. eng'r...not a mechanical eng'r....whew...nakalusot
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Re: 2007 EXPEDITION: YAMASH-I-T-A ( Japanese) TREASURE

Gentlemen,
Ooooppss...I think I mistype something.... ;D
 

Re: 2007 EXPEDITION: YAMASH-I-T-A ( Japanese) TREASURE

HI GBOY: I am well acquainted with Laser measuring machines, but not of one that will measure and also tell what the composition of a piece of metal is.

I have used and overhauled Atomic absorption machines, etc., in my business, but haven't heard of this one. Do you remember the manufacturer or it's name? How big was it? Was it portable? I can use this information.


As for a hallmark, that is no actual problem to falsify. A school boy can do that.

Don Jose de La Mancha
 

Re: 2007 EXPEDITION: YAMASH-I-T-A ( Japanese) TREASURE

Greenhorn,
Nice research...thats exactly our souvenier paper stencil of UBS gold bar look like....
The gold bar was recovered in Bukidnon in 1996...and the seller ask the help of my friend Cliff to sell it into CB.
In 1996,...no internet yet here in Philippines, therefore no way they could have copied the hallmark...
Anyway, the gold bar was 24 K and was sold to CB...what was left to us was souvenier paper stencil of the UBS gold bar....meaning it contain the exact size dimension and shape of the ORIGINAL gold bar....
You may have a picture of UBS gold bar...but you will never know the exact dimension and size or shape of the gold bar (thats crucial in determining its authenticity)...thats why most gold syndicate can easily be caught bcoz they cannot copy the exact size dimension and shape of orig 24 k gold bar....thats the importance of having a stencil of orig 24 K UBS gold bar...

SWR,
No need to elaborate or argue bcoz...ALL TEASURE HUNTERS AND GOLD BUYERS here knows its existence...If you don't believe it, fine....its expected for Yam TH critics anyway...

Realde Tayopa,
I forgot the name of the machines the last time I used it was early 1990's in semicon....anyway I will try to research it.
During that time...the machine is as big as 21 inch TV....today that machine is probably smaller...
All you have to do is get a small metal sample....( maybe a gram)...put it in small chamber of the machine..and switch it on....after a minute or two.....a computer printer will tell you the exact metal composition of the metal you are testing....ex: If you put a one gram gold nugget suspected to be 18 k.....after testing it have metal composition of...Gold: 73% , Nickel: 7% , Silver: 15% , Iron: 5%
Our company before sells these machine to all semicon companies in Phil....and I'm their "after sales service and maintenance eng'r ".
 

Re: 2007 EXPEDITION: YAMASH-I-T-A ( Japanese) TREASURE

Gboy wrote: "You may have a picture of UBS gold bar...but you will never know the exact dimension and size or shape of the gold bar (thats crucial in determining its authenticity)...thats why most gold syndicate can easily be caught bcoz they cannot copy the exact size dimension and shape of orig 24 k gold bar....thats the importance of having a stencil of orig 24 K UBS gold bar... "
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Gboy,
The dimensions are listed here for the different size bars.

http://www.taxfreegold.co.uk/goldbardimensions.html

GreenHorn
 

Re: 2007 EXPEDITION: YAMASH-I-T-A ( Japanese) TREASURE

Gboy: Does it vaporize the sample? Why do you say it was a Laser Machine?

After using, servicing, and overhauling my Atomic Absorption machines I will never forget the name, Perkins-Elmers., two different models.

Don Jose de La Mancha

p.s. Interesting quote from the UBS ------------------
--------->We are frequently asked the physical dimensions of various weights of gold bars, we have provided a brief table showing typical measurements.

Please note that the dimensions of any particular weight of bar of "extremely variable"

hmmmmmm
 

Re: 2007 EXPEDITION: YAMASH-I-T-A ( Japanese) TREASURE

Gboy wrote: "You may have a picture of UBS gold bar...but you will never know the exact dimension and size or shape of the gold bar (thats crucial in determining its authenticity)...thats why most gold syndicate can easily be caught bcoz they cannot copy the exact size dimension and shape of orig 24 k gold bar....thats the importance of having a stencil of orig 24 K UBS gold bar... "

For the sake of discussion:
I think Gboy is pushing an unacceptable argument in this particular statement. (Please note that most members of this forum are professionals in their own standing)

Read this carefully Gboy:

Nobody, even a syndicate or legitimate gold dealer can copy the exact size, dimensions and shape of original 24K gold bar of corresponding weight using different metal; except of course tungsten, having almost identical SG as in gold. A little manipulation in alloying will give you a bar of tungsten similar to a bar of gold having an identical size, weight and dimensions.
This is one of the reasons why gold syndicates cannot pass a piece of metal bar as gold bar, even this bar smell, look, taste as a legit gold bar.
The reason why there are still some takers with this kind of scam is because of --- GREED.

Angel_09
 

Re: 2007 EXPEDITION: YAMASH-I-T-A ( Japanese) TREASURE

ANOTHER INFORMATION:

UBS is using a factor of 24 for the convertion of mm. to inches. If 1 kg gold bar, say for example is plain (without embossed), the factor 24 as given by UBS will give that particular bar a weight of 1.25 kg.
The value 25.4 which is the most acceptable value for mm. to inch convertion will give us a total weight of 1.02 kgs.
In this regard, the embossed portion of the bar compensates for the lost volume from the front and back of the bar, thus using a factor of 24 will give us a weight of 1 kg.

Angel_09
 

Re: 2007 EXPEDITION: YAMASH-I-T-A ( Japanese) TREASURE

So much has been written about gold bars, fake gold bars, authentic gold bars and other information about gold.
To help treasure hunters and buyers alike to determine if a bar is fake or not,(if they are first timer in this field) informations below are provided:

As far as FAKE GOLD BAR is concerned, there are only two types it:

1. Fake gold bar of lighter weight. (Dimensions are patterned from original)

2. Fake gold bar with correct weight. (Dimensions are also patterned from original)

For no. 1, an assay is not needed to determine if it fake.
For no. 2, It needs a fire assay techniques, sophisticated equipment (ICP, XRF) to determine its authenticity.

Angel_09
 

Re: 2007 EXPEDITION: YAMASH-I-T-A ( Japanese) TREASURE

Now Gboy, ain't you gonna show us the STENCIL of your UBS Gold Bar? We can't measure it anyway if we were syndicates. Just for the benefit of the doubt amigo, show it.
 

Re: 2007 EXPEDITION: YAMASH-I-T-A ( Japanese) TREASURE

"Why not include helpful information about what types of currency was used in Indochina and Southeast Asia pre World War II. What are the possibilities of these countries smelting gold and producing gold bullion? The currency and monies of the time were from the French, Dutch and India." SWR

It seems Mr. SWR believes that gold doesn’t exist in southeast Asia prior to WWII.
It may be true that paper money came from French , Dutch and other countries, but the hard back-up for this paper monies, such as gold and other precious metals, came mostly from Indochina and southeast Asia.

Below are only the few proofs for this claim:

Unrestricted free trade between the Philippines and the United States, established in 1913, had a decisive influence on the Philippine economy, which became an agricultural export economy producing sugar, abaca, copra, and tobacco for the U.S. market. Except for gold mining, there was little development of industry; manufactured goods were supplied by the United States on a duty-free basis.

1926 Hanoi, Indochina Gold Mining Stock Certificate
Societe des Mines D'Or de Bao-Lac Stock Certificate. Text is in French. Dated September 27, 1926, No.23,166, for 25 Piastres. Condition is very good, with a fold mark, and all 52 coupons attached to the right. Certificate measures 14" x 9".

I hope these informations will enlightened everybody, that gold also exist in this part of the world.

Angel_09
 

Re: 2007 EXPEDITION: YAMASH-I-T-A ( Japanese) TREASURE

"Just to make this perfectly clear...gold that was used in Southeast Asia prior to WWII came from France, India and the Netherlands (Dutch)." SWR

Just to make this perfectly clear , what history book this informations came from Mr. SWR?

Regarding United States, I didn't mentioned that this country supplied gold bullion to the philippines.(It is the other way around.) United States was mentioned due to the fact that this country is a trade partner(?) of the Philippines.The point in that part of history is that, gold is being mined from the Philippines as early as that date ---or even earlier.....In form of gold bars....after melting.

Regarding Indochina, It seems, (based on Mr. SWR's statements), "It is well documented where the gold existed “in that part of the world”, and how the counties in Indochina and Southeast Asia came about using the gold standard. Remember your history, these countries were only using the silver standard until the 1930s." a disinformation campaign is being wage on.

Again, I have presented you the contents of the gold certificates, now where in history this disinformation came from Mr. SWR? Are we having a parallel world with an opposite direction to trace back Mr. SWR? Or, is it a system to erased back all the unnecessary part of history regarding wealth of the wealthy nations?

Now a gold standard is being used to confused everybody....We are discussing about the existance of gold - mining of gold in that particular part of the world, with or without gold standard.... gold exist prior to WWII.

If this will be the kind of argument regarding gold, is to be accepted, then gold doesn't exist in the old world (before Christ) prior to the
implementation of the gold standard, as implied by Mr. SWR....

Angel_09
 

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