17 Tons of gold in New Mexico

[gollum]

Gary,

What are you talking about?

Not only did Noss see the bars stacked in the cave, he brought out one that Ova determined was gold. After that, he had his entire family and some close friends assist in taking some of the bars out of the caves in case he was screwed over by Uncle Sam (which he was).

Read the Freedom Magazine Article.

Best-Mike

 

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[Roadquest]

If LBJ had Noss treasure removed. What did he do with it.
I've not done a lot of research on this.

Clayton

 

[Peerless67]

Mike, should that not read "Noss claimed to have seen gold bars stacked" ? or do you have proof that he did ?
Ova claims he bought out 1 bar which she determined was gold, where did she get her assayers certification?
As for being screwed by uncle sam, where is the evidence ?

Lots of family and friends eh? gotta wonder why they took a snap of some armour but left all else out, seems to me pictures of gold and jewels would have made a better portfolio.

 

[Peerless67]

If LBJ had Noss treasure removed. What did he do with it.
I've not done a lot of research on this.

Clayton

Clayton you dont believe he did that anymore than I do, but one theory is he sold it to britain, maybe I should go check out brinks

 

[Peerless67]

Nick, I meant to post this for you before. Its a 1932 article from the Alberquque Tribune

 

[Roadquest]

Mike,

Do you have any copy of documentations birth, or death certificate's of Leon Trabuco.
And, do you know if the Ford Tri-plane stopped in El Paso for fuel?

 

[Roadquest]

Gary how far did the gold have to be trucked from the plane to the place they buried it at?
Do you know if they stopped in El Paso for fuel?

 

[Peerless67]

Gary how far did the gold have to be trucked from the plane to the place they buried it at?
Do you know if they stopped in El Paso for fuel?

Clayton, do you mean in 1933 ?
If so I have no idea. If you mean at my 1950s site, there is a 3/4 mile track from the landing strip to what appears to be a possible burial site. but my site is far away from the 4 corners area of NM

 

[gollum]

Gary,

I guess it's all in which possibly non-existent treasure story you choose to believe. I believe the Freedom Magazine Article. I have spoken with the author, and he was quite confident that Noss had told the truth, based on the several months he spent living with the Noss Family, and all the interviews he conducted.

Clayton,

The LBJ part of the story says that the Gold was removed to LBJs ranch in Texas, and many people (including the CIA) used it as sort of a checking account over the next 20 or so years. Now Gary, why is that so hard to believe? If you can believe everything else in some form or another, that should not be THAT big a stretch.

Back to Gary,

It looks like you are en route to say that the two stories are related, and that there was no or very little gold at the Victorio Peak Site (mostly artifacts), while the bulk of the gold was the 17 Tons. Can't happen that way.

As I have stated previously, there has to be two separate large caches of gold for both stories to be possible. The gold was flown into the Farmington Area (I use the word "area" loosely ) in 1933. That much is absolutely beyond any arguments. Based on transcripts and interviews I have, there is no doubt.

If it were Villa's Gold, it would had to have been removed from Mexico before his death in 1923. Those two facts make the possibility of there being no gold at one site virtually impossible.

............and due to the enormous amounts of excavations all over Victorio Peak, I would say that the testimonies of people like Military Police Capt. Orby Swanner, who stated that he was there for the removal of the gold in 1961, and that it amounted to about 93 million troy ounces, have something behind them.

Best-Mike

Best-Mike

 

[allenroyboy]

I added an interesting post to the Victorio Peak board on the forum....

Allen

 

[Peerless67]

Mike, can you explain what you mean with this quote "If it were Villa's Gold, it would had to have been removed from Mexico before his death in 1923".

Why could Villas cache not have been found and moved after his death?
If Villa had a cache and someone like Holmdahl had been searching for it for years after Villas death, why could it not have come into the states after it was located?

Quote "It looks like you are en route to say that the two stories are related".

It is only one possible theory, and there are several. Based on the lack of evidence for any of the current theories this one has as much credit as any of the others.

As for the excavations at VP, they are indeed interesting, but prior to the discovery of gold in California the landscape was pretty unscathed, not so now. There are holes and trenches dug all over the Farmington area,
People are indeed industrious when they hear the word gold. It just stands out more on VP due to the fact it is a small target and has been worked on by many people at various times, which has left it looking scarred.

 

[Roadquest]

Gary how far did the gold have to be trucked from the plane to the place they buried it at?
Do you know if they stopped in El Paso for fuel?

Clayton, do you mean in 1933 ?
If so I have no idea. If you mean at my 1950s site, there is a 3/4 mile track from the landing strip to what appears to be a possible burial site. but my site is far away from the 4 corners area of NM

Yes I meant your 1950 site. I know you are futher west

 

[allenroyboy]

One of the packets of info I have is all the background stuff from Cosgrove-Meurer Productions (Unsolved Mysteries).

Can the packet of info be scanned and emailed?

Allen

 

[allenroyboy]

You would ask right after I put everything into one single .pdf file. I can include some of the articles though.

Thanks for the articles. The one about Bailey isn't dated. But it seems that it may be of a later date--like the 70s

Allen

 

[gollum]

Gary,

Victorio Peak was excavated by the military. It was unscathed prior to it being annexed as part of the White Sands Missile Range.

Okay, Villa's Gold could have been found and removed to the US after his death, but that still leaves us with a problem. If there was no/very little gold in Victorio Peak, then why did Doc Noss spend his life fighting the government to get rights to VP, and not somewhere else? Doesn't make any sense.

Best-Mike

 

[Roadquest]

I believe the 17 tons is, or was deposited well north of New Mexico, not in Utah.

I also think there is a good chance that the gold was flown into El Paso, and trucked

to it's distention.

 

[Peerless67]

Mike, It would be interesting to find out how many people have parted with money buying into Noss family searches and the like.

 

[Peerless67]

Just as a side note Mike, how big is a standard sized wells fargo box ?, and what would you estimate the size of that armor in the picture to be?

How much room did noss need to bring those things out? and why on earth did he feel he had to open the mouth of the cavern up?
Bet that dynamite makes one hell of a noise, all that secretive behaviour and then bam lets blow it up
Now to me that dosen't make any sense

 

[Roadquest]

Clayton, my site is south of Farmington

OK

 

[gollum]

Gary,

The story I got was that Doc, his immediate family, and a few trusted friends brought out about 300 bars of the gold, and cached it in several places. He was finding it very difficult to sell any gold so soon after the Gold Confiscation Act had been implemented (4-5 years). After all, he was just a small town podiatrist. He didn't have all the connections needed to move that much gold quietly.

I understand that he did manage to get some small amounts sold over the years, but nothing of enough quantity to make him wealthy. That's why he enlisted the aid of Charlie Ryan, and we all know what happened next. Only Doc's Ghost and the Lord above knows where those caches are now. I heard that one of them was found (about 25 bars, but I don't know all the details).

Best-Mike