17 Tons of gold in New Mexico

[Peerless67]

Anyone else hear the rumor that Trabuco checked up every now and then to see if his treasure was still there??

Allen

ABR, I would think whoever the owner was, would certainly have checked in now and then to be sure it was still safe. I personally do not believe it was anyone called Trabuco, but anything is possible I guess.

 

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[Roadquest]

I believe the 17 tons is, or was deposited well north of New Mexico, not in Utah.

I also think there is a good chance that the gold was flown into El Paso, and trucked

to it's distention.

Clayton, sorry I missed this post before. Although I am not sure wether the gold was flown into El Paso, I do believe it may have been trucked from the vacinity.

Gary, When you say you believe it was trucked from the vacinity. Did you mean from El Paso?

Thats an interesting thread you have started. I've been keeping up with it.

Clayton

 

[Roadquest]

Clayton,

Check out my post in the KGC Section. That article applies to your gold bullion.

Best-Mike

Mike, Your post in the KGC Section doe's say that the article applies to "my" gold bullion
I have to ask the obvious question, do you think the KGC ( Confederate Gold Bullion ) could
have a connection with the "17 tons of gold in New Mexico"?

Clayton

 

[Roadquest]

Anyone else hear the rumor that Trabuco checked up every now and then to see if his treasure was still there??

Allen

Allen,

Trabuco had two men that guarded the gold as it was being brought in. These were two men that he trusted.
He may have had them check up on the gold, rather than risk going himself, and being followed.

Clayton

 

[gollum]

Clayton,

Check out my post in the KGC Section. That article applies to your gold bullion.

Best-Mike

Mike, Your post in the KGC Section doe's say that the article applies to "my" gold bullion
I have to ask the obvious question, do you think the KGC ( Confederate Gold Bullion ) could
have a connection with the "17 tons of gold in New Mexico"?

Clayton

I doubt it.

What I saw was that gold was found on the Navajo Reservation, same as Jesse James III stated. Whether or not you believe the article is up to the reader.

Best-Mike

 

[Roadquest]

Clayton,

Check out my post in the KGC Section. That article applies to your gold bullion.

Best-Mike

Mike, Your post in the KGC Section doe's say that the article applies to "my" gold bullion
I have to ask the obvious question, do you think the KGC ( Confederate Gold Bullion ) could
have a connection with the "17 tons of gold in New Mexico"?

Clayton

I doubt it.

What I saw was that gold was found on the Navajo Reservation, same as Jesse James III stated. Whether or not you believe the article is up to the reader.

Best-Mike

It's interesting, but I have reservations about it.

Clayton

 

[allenroyboy]

Trabuco had two men that guarded the gold as it was being brought in. These were two men that he trusted. He may have had them check up on the gold, rather than risk going himself, and being followed.

According to several stories, the two Mexicans who guarded the landing site, died within about 10 years of when the gold was brought in. And, accordingly, Trabuco took the gold somewhere else than the landing site and stashed it, so they wouldn't know. I was just checking to see if anyone else had heard the rumor of him checking to see if it was still safe many years later.
Allen

 

[Peerless67]

ARB, I may have misread your post, but if that gold would have belonged to me, I would have hidden it from the living not the dead.

 

[allenroyboy]

Perhaps I wasn't clear. The story goes that the two Mexicans guarded the landing site and temporary storage during the time the bars were being flown in. Trabuco would come from time to time and stash recently arrived bars somewhere else. The guards did know where, but it is reported that Trabuco would take about an hour to leave, stash 1 ton of gold at a time, and return. [If the bars were about 72 pounds each there would be about 27 bars. It is possible for someone to move 27 bars 10-20 feet from a truck in 20 to 30 mins. And the bars may have been smaller.] Then, after all the bars had been flown in and stashed by Trabuco, the guards were sent home, assumingly well paid. Reportedly, they later both died within about 10 years.
Allen

 

[Roadquest]

I know to some, it's an accepted fact that the 17 tons of gold in New Mexico was removed.
And, reburied around 1950. What was the purpose of doing this?
If it was dug up. Why not cash it out?
Have you noticed how this reburying of the gold in the 50's is about the same as
in the movie The Legend of Curly"s gold.

I don't think the gold has been removed. Not all of it anyway. I think at least 1/3 of the gold
is where it was originally buried.

I'm yet looking for some verification of this gold being removed, and reburied.
If Martin Hougan was taking bars from the "last" place it was buried in the 50's.
Just one of these bars was a huge amount of money. Is there any records to show
how he used this large amount of money.

Clayton

 

[Peerless67]

I know to some, it's an accepted fact that the 17 tons of gold in New Mexico was removed.
And, reburied around 1950. What was the purpose of doing this?
If it was dug up. Why not cash it out?
Have you noticed how this reburying of the gold in the 50's is about the same as
in the movie The Legend of Curly"s gold.

I don't think the gold has been removed. Not all of it anyway. I think at least 1/3 of the gold
is where it was originally buried.

I'm yet looking for some verification of this gold being removed, and reburied.
If Martin Hougan was taking bars from the "last" place it was buried in the 50's.
Just one of these bars was a huge amount of money. Is there any records to show
how he used this large amount of money.

Clayton

Clayton,

Quote "I know to some, it's an accepted fact that the 17 tons of gold in New Mexico was removed.
And, reburied around 1950. What was the purpose of doing this?"

I believe the purpose was the new owner/s were intending to make a sale to the US government.

Quote "If it was dug up. Why not cash it out?"

Remember the escrow account, the communications with Washington and the two deliveries that were meant to go to the SanFrancisco mint? I believe they were trying to "cash it out" but cashing out 17.7 tons of gold would be no easy task now let alone in the 50s.

Quote "I don't think the gold has been removed. Not all of it anyway. I think at least 1/3 of the gold
is where it was originally buried. "

I would say that the whole cache was moved to a new site, infact if the government had deposited that $20 million into the escrow account, the 17.7 tons of gold would likely have been delivered to the mint as requested.

Quote "I'm yet looking for some verification of this gold being removed, and reburied.
If Martin Hougan was taking bars from the "last" place it was buried in the 50's.
Just one of these bars was a huge amount of money. Is there any records to show
how he used this large amount of money."

Clayton if you found a bar of gold (lets say 72lbs) what record/s would you have for how you disposed of it? or even what you did with the cash you had recieved for it?

 

[Roadquest]

Is it that the two deliveries did not got to the mint. So, They then were
taken to the last place they were buried.

 

[Peerless67]

Is it that the two deliveries did not got to the mint. So, They then were
taken to the last place they were buried.

No Clayton, In early 1951 and late 1952, the gold was meant to have been delivered to the SanFrancisco mint as requested. However the government DID NOT deposit the $20 million into the escrow account and so the group did not deliver the gold.
Because they failed to deliver the gold on the second occasion at the beginning of September 1952, the case was handed to the court and the Grand jury hearings took place.

 

[Roadquest]

Is it that the two deliveries did not got to the mint. So, They then were
taken to the last place they were buried.

No Clayton, In early 1951 and late 1952, the gold was meant to have been delivered to the SanFrancisco mint as requested. However the government DID NOT deposit the $20 million into the escrow account and so the group did not deliver the gold.
Because they failed to deliver the gold on the second occasion at the beginning of September 1952, the case was handed to the court and the Grand jury hearings took place.

Gary, I know the gold was not put in escrow.
My question is, for those that believe the gold was transferred from it's original "deposit" area is
was the gold prepaired for, or placed in movement, thinking a deal would be cut with the government.

And, when the deal fell tru, the gold was then moved to it's last "deposit" area.

Would the gold have not been moved, if they had thought a deal could not have been made with the government.

And, even cashing out just one bar of that gold @ 72 pounds at that time would have caught some eyes.
IF, it was done on the legal side. And not on the black markets.

 

[Peerless67]

Clayton with regard to your last sentence on the previous post. Are you serious? tell me where you could have taken 72lbs of gold in ingot form in the 50s when the gold act was in place and not have it confiscated.

4 of those involved had mining interests, ergo contacts. How do you suppose one might have used that to their advantage?

 

[allenroyboy]

If it were me, other than possibly a single bar as proof, I wouldn't move ANYTHING until I had guarantees that I was going to get paid and not be under any prosecution. I'd make sure NO ONE else knew. No one to help move it. It is too easy to be seen and followed. To easy to be betrayed. And I'd go through second and third party intermediaries who don't know anything more than what I tell them on a strict "need to know" basis. And especially through those that already have gold mining connections.

I think that if indeed it was moved into the US, it is still where it was originally hidden. No one but Trabuco knew where it was. The pilot didn't know. The guards didn't know. The other investors didn't know. Those approaching the government for Trabuco didn't know. There was no need to move it. Once arrangements had been made, the government could go get it's gold itself.

Allen

 

[Peerless67]

Is anyone else on Tnet other than Clayton and myself, actually looking for this treasure ?
Or have any further research on it ?

 

[Roadquest]

Is anyone else on Tnet other than Clayton and myself, actually looking for this treasure ?
Or have any further research on it ?

Everyone is welcome to read this thread. You will find Gary and I, and others have posted a great deal
of information on this gold. If you have research material on this. I invite you to share it with us. You will
find it to be much more interesting, and challenging if you research and contribute to this thread
And for those that are actually looking for this treasure. If you have research, that we have not posted here.
Don't be afraid to post it. You will find out, that you will receive much more that you give.

Clayton

 

[Roadquest]

Clayton with regard to your last sentence on the previous post. Are you serious? tell me where you could have taken 72lbs of gold in ingot form in the 50s when the gold act was in place and not have it confiscated.

4 of those involved had mining interests, ergo contacts. How do you suppose one might have used that to their advantage?

Gary, I am most alway serious. But, that was a rhetorical sentence.

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

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Don Jose de La Mancha