1550 Gold Esqudo?

[Messick81]

i can still put a side veiw on the site if you would like for a refrence. maybe next to a dime or somthing

 

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[Bigcypresshunter]

i can still put a side veiw on the site if you would like for a refrence. maybe next to a dime or somthing

cool

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Let us know when you put it on eBay so we can follow it.

 

[Messick81]

just letting everyone knoe tonight is the night im going to put a side veiw and front and back veiw on. also getting ready to post on ebbay tonight. thanks again

 

[Messick81]

2 escudo size comparison

The thinner of the two is the 2 Escudo compared to a dime.

 

[Messick81]

2 Escudo

Clearer pic. of the escudo

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

OK thanks. I have no comment other than its incredibly thin. More so than I expected.

You need to use the good clear pics for eBay. A blurry pic will not sell.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

How did it sell?

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Did anyone see this Seville escudo on EBay? Im curious as to what it sold for. The coins minted in Spain were thinner than those minted in the colonies as a general rule. Maybe this is somehow genuine.

 

[blurr]

Did anyone see this Seville escudo on EBay? Im curious as to what it sold for. The coins minted in Spain were thinner than those minted in the colonies as a general rule. Maybe this is somehow genuine.

He said that the expert said it was real.

John

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

He said that the expert said it was real.

John

just to let everyone know i talked to the folks at sedwicks and they looked at the photos. they said that as far as they can tell the coin looks real to them and that it has been clipped. coin should be worth from 300.00 to 400.00 so i think i did o.k. for 110.00 at an auction. if i sell i will let buyer know it,s been clipped

"As far as they could tell", "and that it has been clipped."

Yes, they said it looks real, but I would have liked a better explanation on how you could clip 4-1/2 grams from a 6-1/2 gram coin and be barely noticable. I have heard the Seville mints are thinner but he says it was clipped. It must have been somehow shaved from the inside and the two surfaces sandwiched back together. I would need a better explanation if it was mine.

 

[Messick81]

sorry everyone. at the last minute we did not post on e-bay had a local person interested . but did not follow thru. don,t know if we are going to sell or not. thanks for the intrest

 

[blurr]

Big C,

I have no clue as to why someone would or how they would cut a coin in half and put them back together hundreds of years ago. To me, clipped means that they have shaved the sides or cut a corner to make change or defraud someone. You seem to be questioning the authenticity of the coin. I have no idea one way or the other, and won't make any assumptions either way. If you have something to say about the coin, spit it out. Quit tapdancing

John

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Big C,

I have no clue as to why someone would or how they would cut a coin in half and put them back together hundreds of years ago. To me, clipped means that they have shaved the sides or cut a corner to make change or defraud someone. You seem to be questioning the authenticity of the coin. I have no idea one way or the other, and won't make any assumptions either way. If you have something to say about the coin, spit it out. Quit tapdancing

John

There is no doubt that me and others are questioning the authenticity of this coin LOL. That is why he posted it himself. Its thinner than a dime for chrissakes. I suggested he ask Sedwick.

I posted a message about a 2 esqudo in the general discussion site. They recommended to post here. Would like anyone to tell me if its real or not. I had it tested for gold content. It tested for at least 18 kt. The jeweler could only test for up to 18 kt. but believes it to be better. Would appreciate any info.

It may appear that I am tapdancing because I do not know. I just cant imagine how you could clip 4-1/2 grams from a 6-1/2 gram coin? You dont have to be an expert to know that something isnt right. You cannot clip 2/3 of the total weight off the edges. I would just like a better explanation, thats all. If it were me I would ask Sedwick to explain so we all will know. But thats just me. Apparently he is happy with the comments and just wants to sell it. Sedwick never saw the edge view, the cross side pic was blurry, there was no size reference and I didnt even realize myself how super thin it is.

This beautiful coin may be authentic and it would be a great bargain. Sedwicks are the experts. I just would like to see a link or reference that shows these super thin Escudos. I only want a better explanation so I can learn. I cannot say anymore than that and I have commented enough here unless someone can explain this to me.

 

[Messick81]

listen folks i did not want any one to get stured up about this it,s not that big of a deal., but when i get a chance i will call sedwick again and see what he needs to put everyone at ease evan if i have to send it to him. because i know only what he said to me. i will get some answers one way or another and i do apriciate all the help with this as i have no idea about this item except what you folks have said we will find out. thanks again

 

[Zephyr]

I have no clue as to why someone would or how they would cut a coin in half and put them back together hundreds of years ago.

According to a book I read about counterfeiting, people would saw a gold coin in two edgewise (saving the shavings ), sandwich the outer halves to a lead core, then plate the edge. Must have taken a lot of practice, time, and patience, but it can be done. (Another technique was to use a thin wire and hollow out the coin from a point on the rim, then fill it with lead. One would have had to had a lot of spare time on their hands to engage in that "hobby". Then again, they didn't have TV back then.... )

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

listen folks i did not want any one to get stured up about this it,s not that big of a deal., but when i get a chance i will call sedwick again and see what he needs to put everyone at ease evan if i have to send it to him. because i know only what he said to me. i will get some answers one way or another and i do apriciate all the help with this as i have no idea about this item except what you folks have said we will find out. thanks again

Just send him a pic of the edge compared to the dime and tell him the diameter and weight and ask him why it is so super thin and a link would be nice. Maybe too much to ask.

I guess I could email him myself.

Thanks for the help. This is a very interesting piece. If you could somehow authenticate it with a link or documentation, it would increase your eBay resale value, for sure.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

I have no clue as to why someone would or how they would cut a coin in half and put them back together hundreds of years ago.

According to a book I read about counterfeiting, people would saw a gold coin in two edgewise (saving the shavings ), sandwich the outer halves to a lead core, then plate the edge. Must have taken a lot of practice, time, and patience, but it can be done. (Another technique was to use a thin wire and hollow out the coin from a point on the rim, then fill it with lead. One would have had to had a lot of spare time on their hands to engage in that "hobby". Then again, they didn't have TV back then.... )

Interesting. To take 2/3 of the gold from a coin would be quite profitable. It doesnt seem to apply in this case because there is no lead core. ...only a super thin escudo.

I know it can be done with modern machinery. I once saw a super thin quarter.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

This inside shaving/clipping method will leave a seam on the edges if they are not plated. Casting will also leave a seam. We have had many counterfeits posted here at TN with seams. One in particular was in the banner until someone spotted the seam with a good clear pic. Good clear pics are of the utmost importance to ID here or sell on eBay. When someone posts bad pics here, they have bad camera skills. When someone posts blurry pics on eBay, I suspect they are hiding something.

Maybe that is what Sedwick means is that the coin's entire inside was "clipped" out by a contemporary counterfeiter or someone with too much time on their hands and the two thin faces sandwiched back together. It makes sense to me. The face of the coin appears authentic. Thanks for posting Zephyr.

 

[divewrecks]

Sealing edges to guard against visual scrutiny wouldn't be that hard. A little localized heat from a precision torch and light blow from some kind of impact tool would probably forge weld the surfaces together without having to otherwise weld, braze, or solder - although these techniques might prove successful as well.

If someone was willing to take this much time it is hard to believe they didn't find any easier way to cheat the system. Might as well counterfit the whole coin with this much work. Even the indians knew how to perform lost wax casting.

Stan