1550 Gold Esqudo?

[savant365]

Did the coins that sold earlier go for much higher prices?

I wasn't there and don't want to accuse anyone of being decietful but it sounds like the auctioneer might have "Known" that this coin was questionable and saved it for the end of the auction on purpose to make people think they were getting a really good deal. If he waited until the serious collectors left and played it up like he messed up and forgot about it...I can see someone like myself thinking "hey, this is a good thing for me". I hope this isn't the case but I have been to several auctions and I have seen some pretty shady things happen.

For your sake I really hope it turns out to be authentic, good luck.

HH Charlie

 

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[Bigcypresshunter]

I dont know anything about gold escudos but I expected them to be thicker. The detail is very good so if its counterfeit, it is a good one. Maybe its one of those "authentic replicas" that are being produced to raise money for treasure salvage companies or for jewelry purposes. I think measuring the diameter will help decide the authenticity of this piece. We need something for size reference in the picture.

 

[Messick81]

thats probably my luck. if thats the case they got me hook line and sinker

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

thats probably my luck. if thats the case they got me hook line and sinker

We dont know that yet. I would like to hear someone comment on the thickness and we need the diameter size please.

 

[Messick81]

i will try to get a diameter measurment soon and post thanks

 

[savant365]

thats probably my luck. if thats the case they got me hook line and sinker

We dont know that yet. I would like to hear someone comment on the thickness and we need the diameter size please.

Absolutely! I was just throwing out a possible senario. You really need to take it to someone who knows these coins and get it checked out properly. Like I said, I really hope it is authentic and its very possible that it is.

HH Charlie

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

thats probably my luck. if thats the case they got me hook line and sinker

We dont know that yet. I would like to hear someone comment on the thickness and we need the diameter size please.

Absolutely! I was just throwing out a possible senario. You really need to take it to someone who knows these coins and get it checked out properly. Like I said, I really hope it is authentic and its very possible that it is.

HH Charlie

I understand. I think the best place to ID it however, will be right here at TN. I took my cob to the "experts" and they all told me I had a fake. I posted it here and it turned out to be authentic. Most coin experts do not know Spanish cobs and doubloons.




As a last resort you can send a pic to Sedwick.

When you give us the diameter, I think we can iD this for you right here.

 

[Mackaydon]

Between 1516 and 1772, the standard weight for a 1/2 escudo was 1.6141 grams; for the 1-escudo: 3.2282 grams. Your piece is 39% overweight for a 1/2 escudo and 31% underweight for a 1-escudo. The stardard gold fineness for either coin is 22k (0.917). IMO, the diameter gives me less concern than the weight and fineness.
Don....

Source: http://www.worldwide-numismatics.com/gold content 5.htm

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Between 1516 and 1772, the standard weight for a 1/2 escudo was 1.6141 grams; for the 1-escudo: 3.2282 grams. Your piece is 39% overweight for a 1/2 escudo and 31% underweight for a 1-escudo. The stardard gold fineness for either coin is 22k (0.917). IMO, the diameter gives me less concern than the weight and fineness.
Don....

Source: http://www.worldwide-numismatics.com/gold content 5.htm

Yes of course the weight is more important Don.. But I am just trying to get the most basic of starting points to make a proper ID; such as a picture with a size reference or the diameter. I dont know if its the size of a dime or a quarter. I suppose we could try and guess by the weight, but its easier just to ask.


Thanks for the link.

 

[Messick81]

with out measuring it its for refrence its about the size of a quarter maybe a smidgon smaller

 

[Mackaydon]

one inch = 25.4 mm
"2" escudo should be about 0.8 inches in dia. or 20.32 mm.
US 1/4 is 24.3 mm
Your coin "maybe a smidgon smaller" than a quarter.
Sounds like the coin represents a 2-escudo--at least as to its diameter.

 

[Messick81]

i layed the esqudo on top of a quarter and i could see the quarter on all sides may be 1/8 inch

 

[divewrecks]

i layed the esqudo on top of a quarter and i could see the quarter on all sides may be 1/8 inch

So, are you saying it is also smaller in daimeter than a nickel, or about the same?

Small denomination cob coins made back in the old world (Seville) were probably a bit thinner than their colonial counterparts so as to contain as much of the legend as possible. As we know, quality control was subject to much less scrutiny in the new world mints of Mexico and Peru.

Stan

 

[Messick81]

if i lay a nickle on top of the esqudo you can just see portions of the esqudo

 

[T Hunter]

Bring it in Tuesday and we will get an exact measurement on it

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

if i lay a nickle on top of the esqudo you can just see portions of the esqudo

I think you are saying between the size of a US nickel and a quarter. I say close enough. Thanks.

 

[Messick81]

yes it,s between a nickle and a quarter.

 

[Zephyr]

Here's a good pic. Yours looks like it might be a "Seville" minting:

http://www.fuenterrebollo.com/faqs-numismatica/1535-escudo.html

(Fair warning, that site doesn't take kindly to being linked to.... )

 

[Mackaydon]

I'm missing something.
You named it as a 1550 coin. Granted, these monarchs reigned during 1550 but is there a date showing or does the coin have some other attribute that distinquishes a 1550 coin from another year?

 

[Messick81]

don,t ask me that is what the auction house was selling it as. maybe some one on this site can help explain