Who decides whether we live or die ????

[worldtalker]

Time will tell That is like waiting till a Cat 10 hurricane hits to see how bad it will be...

God help us if they wait that long....obamacare needs to be repealed now...

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Yes GOD Help us all!

 

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[0121stockpicker]

Time will tell That is like waiting till a Cat 10 hurricane hits to see how bad it will be...

God help us if they wait that long....obamacare needs to be repealed now...

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Yes the status quo has been working just sooo well. Good solution.

 

[0121stockpicker]

Yes GOD Help us all!

"Try first thyself, and after call in God; For to the worker God himself lends aid."

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

Yes the status quo has been working just sooo well. Good solution.

Glad to see you agree it was working.........

 

[0121stockpicker]

Glad to see you agree it was working.........

You think it was

 

[Crispin]

Time will tell That is like waiting till a Cat 10 hurricane hits to see how bad it will be...

God help us if they wait that long....obamacare needs to be repealed now...

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I thought Hurricanes only go up to Cat 5?

 

[Crispin]

Time will tell. But one thing was certain, that things could not continue the way they were. Healthcare in the US has been completely disfunctional for decades and was getting worse, not better every single year. Even Romney realized this back when he was gov.

Stocky: Have you looked at Obama Care?

1. Insurance Premiums. He proposes to have healthcare premiums based on average household income. AKA...let the rich pay more and the poor pay less. Sounds reasonable, right? Wrong! Privatized insurance is still around. The rich will opt out of Obama Care and go private. The result: the poor will be the only ones in the Obama Care system and the quality of care will decrease as doctors will not want to do the same amount of work to get paid less. Doctor's don't have to take Obama Care.
2. Medicare 'Donut Hole': He is going to close the gap in the donut hole...the donut hole is less then 2000 dollars. How much is he going to close it? How much effect is that going to have, really? Pharma drives up the price of nongenerics, that is the real problem.
3. Curbing the 'Cadillac' Tax: Another tax on the rich. Yet another reason for them to privatize.
4. Fraud, Waste and Cornhusks: This is great! Except who gets to decide what waste is? Doctor's don't. Lawyers and politicians going to start telling me how to treat patients and what tests I can order? O, that is a great idea. Get doctors on the board and then we can start decreasing this...along with necessary tort reform.
5. Dosing the Deficit: Yup...you guess it. The deficit gets cut at the cost and health of the common American. The rich may more for health care and the poor get worse health care and die faster.

Obama Care will never be successful. I applaud the man for trying, but this is a disaster. We will never develop a good health care system until doctors have a large say in designing it. This is common sense folks. You don't call your electrician to fix your plumbing. You don't call your mechanic to fix your air conditioner. You don't ask lawyers and politicians to fix the health care system.

Off my soap box...for now.

Crispin

Ps. I still consider myself a pinko commie liberal. I just know a failed plan when I see one.

 

[dieselram94]

Excellent points Crispin!!

 

[DeepseekerADS]

Crispin, you make darned good points!

And we too see you as a commie pinko liberal

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

I thought Hurricanes only go up to Cat 5?

Cat 5 is worst., but when your in middle of a cat 5 it will seem like a 10. I think Andrew was a cat 5 when it hit S. Florida..

Obamacare will be a cat 5 with it is in full effect on us and it will be a nightmare for us, regardless of what some liberals say. My insurance is already up from it......

Government has no business in our healthcare insurance much less having the IRS overseeing it.

When they took over the Mustang Ranch in Nev. they went bankrupt, if they can't run a brothel of all things, who in their right mind thinks they can run our healthcare....



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[0121stockpicker]

Stocky: Have you looked at Obama Care?

1. Insurance Premiums. He proposes to have healthcare premiums based on average household income. AKA...let the rich pay more and the poor pay less. Sounds reasonable, right? Wrong! Privatized insurance is still around. The rich will opt out of Obama Care and go private. The result: the poor will be the only ones in the Obama Care system and the quality of care will decrease as doctors will not want to do the same amount of work to get paid less. Doctor's don't have to take Obama Care.
2. Medicare 'Donut Hole': He is going to close the gap in the donut hole...the donut hole is less then 2000 dollars. How much is he going to close it? How much effect is that going to have, really? Pharma drives up the price of nongenerics, that is the real problem.
3. Curbing the 'Cadillac' Tax: Another tax on the rich. Yet another reason for them to privatize.
4. Fraud, Waste and Cornhusks: This is great! Except who gets to decide what waste is? Doctor's don't. Lawyers and politicians going to start telling me how to treat patients and what tests I can order? O, that is a great idea. Get doctors on the board and then we can start decreasing this...along with necessary tort reform.
5. Dosing the Deficit: Yup...you guess it. The deficit gets cut at the cost and health of the common American. The rich may more for health care and the poor get worse health care and die faster.

Obama Care will never be successful. I applaud the man for trying, but this is a disaster. We will never develop a good health care system until doctors have a large say in designing it. This is common sense folks. You don't call your electrician to fix your plumbing. You don't call your mechanic to fix your air conditioner. You don't ask lawyers and politicians to fix the health care system.

Off my soap box...for now.

Crispin

Ps. I still consider myself a pinko commie liberal. I just know a failed plan when I see one.

While I agree with many of your points crispin I do believe fully that the US healthcare system could not continue in its current form. I believe trying anything new is better than the status quo as it at least gets everyone thinking of how to create a good new system.

While Romney care hasn't necessarily been a massive success, it also has not been a massive disaster that many opponents thought it would be. I believe obamacare will have similar short term results which can then be tweaked and improved upon.

Best.

 

[Oneshot]

And now that insurance companies have to cover dependents' "children" until age 29, some will lose their incentive to get a job to obtain health benefits- nothing like creating incentives for our youngsters! Private insurers will raise the funds needed by increasing everyone's premiums. The promised lower premiums will never happen. (I hate it when our leaders lie to us through the smile) I am fortunate to have seen my health care premium increase schedule for the next ten years. The increases are based on salary, and are quadrupling for the family plan. That's the plan until my employer drops the health plan altogether, as others will, with the government plan in place. Employers see this cost as part of the total salary package, and they stand to save plenty by ending this practice.

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

Trying anything is not better when the results is driving the insurance rates up 2-4 fold.

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[Oneshot]

The thoughtful and well-informed have posted much information on the subject. The lesser informed posters offer simple sarcasm, which has never solved a problem.

 

[dieselram94]

And now that insurance companies have to cover dependents' "children" until age 29, some will lose their incentive to get a job to obtain health benefits- nothing like creating incentives for our youngsters! Private insurers will raise the funds needed by increasing everyone's premiums. The promised lower premiums will never happen. (I hate it when our leaders lie to us through the smile) I am fortunate to have seen my health care premium increase schedule for the next ten years. The increases are based on salary, and are quadrupling for the family plan. That's the plan until my employer drops the health plan altogether, as others will, with the government plan in place. Employers see this cost as part of the total salary package, and they stand to save plenty by ending this practice.

One of the guys at work has a son covered under this and he is early twenties. Refuses to get a real job and is content with hauling scrap metal as a job. Thinks it is great he gets free health care and worships obama because of it. He is destined to be a career leach. He has also racked up huge medical coats due to playing with this junk, cuts, serious burns, ect. Yet my premiums are skyrocketing because of this type of behavior. As said no incentive to grow up!!:banghead::banghead::banghead:

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[0121stockpicker]

One of the guys at work has a son covered under this and he is early twenties. Refuses to get a real job and is content with hauling scrap metal as a job. Thinks it is great he gets free health care and worships obama because of it. He is destined to be a career leach. He has also racked up huge medical coats due to playing with this junk, cuts, serious burns, ect. Yet my premiums are skyrocketing because of this type of behavior. As said no incentive to grow up!!:banghead::banghead::banghead:

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There are always going to be people who abuse a system and if they do something illegal they should be prosecuted. Why punish the law Abiding for the actions of the criminals?? Wait a minute .... isn't that one of your gun rights saying

 

[0121stockpicker]

Trying anything is not better when the results is driving the insurance rates up 2-4 fold.

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So you have no problem living off a government health care program - Medicare - yet don't want others to enjoy the same benefit?? A little hypocritical isn't it??

 

[Crispin]

While I agree with many of your points crispin I do believe fully that the US healthcare system could not continue in its current form. I believe trying anything new is better than the status quo as it at least gets everyone thinking of how to create a good new system.

While Romney care hasn't necessarily been a massive success, it also has not been a massive disaster that many opponents thought it would be. I believe obamacare will have similar short term results which can then be tweaked and improved upon.

Best.

Don't get me wrong. The healthcare systems is broken, no doubt about it. Hospitals are taking huge loses from the uninsured. You might be right in that this is a good starting point. Like I said, I applaud the man for trying. However, I could sit down with a handful of doctors, some financial experts, and some well informed advisors and the think tank could come up with a better system. Maybe the problem is that it would never pass through congress. Who knows...congress doesn't seem to do much but bicker with each other nowadays.

 

[DeepseekerADS]

In the many changing topics within this thread, here's a great parody video on our coming healthcare experience

From TheBlaze TV?s ?B.S. of A.?: Your Check-Up With The ?Tax Doctor? | TheBlaze.com

 

[dieselram94]

Thanks for posting the video Deepseeker! I am still laughing but also panicking a little!