Whites New Detector... Vision

Re: White's New Detector... Vision

So how soon will the user manual be out???

I got mine today...figures it's raining like a bear right now.....but was suprised that they don't have an in-depth user manual yet. I got a blue card to mail in so they'll send me one and a dvd as soon as they are available. Kinda confusing trying to register it with a password.
I'm sure I'll figure it out eventually, but some clue woulda been nice.

It did come with the Field Guide so getting started til the manual comes out won't be an issue. Like the DFX, it does have a turn on and go attitude. It's definately picking up a lot more noise from my house than the DFX did.

I'm suprised Kellyco doesnt have them yet...and I would think they'd go a tad cheaper than list. I got mine without the headphones for about $1425.00. My dealer was at 1599 with the headphones. Plus tax of course.

Al
 

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I am pretty sure a good blue tooth system does lag time. This is why it was developed. Its primary use ion cell phones, transmitt and receive both ways. So lag time would be bad. On the other hand a cheaper transmit receive only as on a Ipod wireles headphone set does have noticeable lag. I found this out the hard way, after I purchased a set and made an adater for my detector. The Vision does not say it is blue tooth I stand corrected on that.

Ed D.
 

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Hi,

Here is a DRAFT Owner's Manual http://whitesvision.com/basicinstructionalmanualdraft/basicInstructionsDraft.pdf Repeat - DRAFT, so it has errors. But it will help.

Here is a DRAFT Expert's Manual http://whitesvision.com/advinstmanualdraft/ExpertInstructionsDraft.pdf Repeat - DRAFT, so it has errors. But it will also help.

As far as Bluetooth goes no big deal other than White's does not want people thinking other Bluetooth devices will work with the Vision.

Steve Herschbach
 

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Thanks Steve.

Forecast here is rain, rain, and more rain the next few days so this will make for some good reading.

I did figure out the registering the Vision with the PW. I think they should have given the option of putting your own password in...but I think it's a great ID incase it's lost or stolen. No one can change it without the PW..

The info for doing that was in the Field guide....page 10...lol

It sure does seem, from just my playing with the menus here at home, that this detector is really going to be user friendly. :thumbsup:

Rain, rain, go away.....

Al
 

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I checked out both drafts. That sure is a lot of information for a turn on and go machine? I don,t think the average user will read all of this or understand it. If someone could learn this unit make a good video it would sell. :thumbsup:

The section I was interested in 4 F Wireless Headphone in the experts manual, was not included in the body. Like it has been said, it looks like they are still working out the kinks in that area. Kind of makes me wonder if the unit is ready for the public?

I can,t wait to hear the impressions of those brave and geeky first buyers, I salute you and wish you well.

Note to Whites: "BRING IT ON ,BABY!" :wink:

Ed D.
 

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I want one but 1700 is a big hit. is there any place I could get it cheaper?
 

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Sniffer,

$1700. That is list, just about everyone out there selling Whites will sell it for a couple of hundred less. This is still too high for me right now. When I want to know what a detector is currently selling for, I check out "KellyCo". They seem to be about as cheap as anyone. It just gives you a price to compare from. Just make sure the package deals are the same and you don,t get stuck with a lot of junk you will never use. I am sure all detectorist have gotten items from package deals that were worthless.

Ed D.
 

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Born2Dtect said:
I checked out both drafts. That sure is a lot of information for a turn on and go machine? I don,t think the average user will read all of this or understand it. If someone could learn this unit make a good video it would sell. :thumbsup:

The section I was interested in 4 F Wireless Headphone in the experts manual, was not included in the body. Like it has been said, it looks like they are still working out the kinks in that area. Kind of makes me wonder if the unit is ready for the public?

I can,t wait to hear the impressions of those brave and geeky first buyers, I salute you and wish you well.

Note to Whites: "BRING IT ON ,BABY!" :wink:

Ed D.
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The field guide that comes with it is pretty simple and easy to understand and i picked up the basics in my house pretty quick. I think it's a lot more user friendly than the DFX. They recommend using the preset programs for a while before you attempt customizing programs. The menu system is awesome...just push an arrow button and it's there to adjust on the fly...can't get much simpler than that.
Seems to me that the basic manual is somewhat repetative in the way it says things...but once you have the machine in your hands and follow what is says....it comes pretty easy.

Rain finally is letting up tonight so tomorrow after work I get to trial it outside in a newly vacated lot behind my house. I'll let ya'll know what I think.

Al
 

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Its about time i've been complaining about detector display technology for the last decade, we pay premium prices but our detectors are still running off displays that look like an early 90's cell phone which was top of the line display technology when the Spectrum and XLT hit the market 15+ years ago. I still wish they would make a touch screen display since they are so much faster and easier then toggle pads. Too bad we don't have an automatic GPS feature that will save all our target hits and put them on a map so we can upload them to our computer and see exactly what was found on our site and exactly were it was found. It shouldnt be too hard I know my Ipod has a built in GPS and google earth and its only a quarter inch thick. Oh well maybe in the future. ;D I'd love to see if this 20% increase in depth puts them in the Explorer and CZ range because the new display and options from the looks of it is leaps and bounds beyond what these companys offer as it should be in this price range I guess. I better go play the lottery tomorrow.
 

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Welll...my first 1.5 hours out with the Vision.

I'll tell you right off....I do not like the screen position and lighting. It's fairly cloudy out and there are trees around the yard and it was almost impossible to read the screen. All I could see was tree reflections dancing across what appeared a dark screen with cloud reflections in it. Maybe it isnt like this in sunny weather. If I turned the detector on an angle, I could read it, but that kind of defeats the purpose. Maybe there is an adjustment for the viewing angle like the DFX and I just didnt find it down in the submenus. I think it needs it.

Now in all fairness, I've gone over these yards several times with 3 different detectors so I wasn't seriously expecting any coins....I wasn't disappointed....no coin finds. But that's fine with me...I'm more interested in what a junky place would be like and there are lots and lots of nails here.

I did get two good signals that according to the display and the tone were solid dime/penny. They were both thick aluminum chunks. Small but hefty in weight.

I ran the Vision first in the Coin program. It makes the perfect sound for can slaw....just like a fart... :icon_jokercolor: I think that's perfect for that stuff. In the coin program, it does an excellent job of discriminating out foil, pulltabs and one way blips for bottle caps. I was impressed by this.
It took me a couple digs to find center, just about an inch above the connecting rod clevis. As you're swinging the detector, it not only displays the VDI but also the depth. I liked that too. The icons are the same as the DFX. I wasn't paying much attention to the bars on the screen...they were dancing all over the place til I hit a solid signal, then they lined up perfectly.

Flipping the toggle switch forward to look at the graph, there was somewhat of a delay in getting the sinewave pattern. On other signals, I got very eratic graph patterns that didnt resemble a sinewave at all. But then again, I think there is some slag fill in this ground.

I want to mention if you didnt read it already, ground balancing this machine is a bit different than any I've had. You have to hold the toggle switch in and press enter and hold it in, then pump the machine up and down 4 times, then release the switch and enter button. I did have a tough time finding a spot in these trashy yards to do that.

So I switch to a different preset program....Deep Silver. You had better turn your headphones down for this. Holy cow, it almost blew my phones off it was so loud. I had the volumn adjusted to a comfortable level on the coin program but it blared uncomfortable loud. I readjusted the volumn quickly. My volumn adjustment was with the headphones, not the machine. Deep silver is definately a loud program.
Deep silver, without customizing it's discrimination in a junky area is crazy. Sooooo much noise. I turned the gain down but didnt help much. It was just way too noisy with all the nails,foil, pulltabs, etc. If there was a deep silver coin, I would have missed it for sure. But again, maybe with customizing the disc...it would work a lot better.

I bumped it up to the coin/jewelry mode for a bit and I liked it. You get more junk readings but I'm used to that. It definately reacts to more stuff in the ground than any of the other machines I've used.
There is a long copper rod burried in the ground and it did overload on it when I tried pin pointining.

I did toss a clad quarter on the ground just to see how the graphs and sounds were like. Again, it's slightly different than tones I've heard. Instead of a solid 2 way blip, it seemed the second pass had a longer tone signal to it. I tried it several times and it was pretty consistant from different angles. Guess this will take some getting used to if it's any indication of what I might expect.

One thing I discovered when I came back in the house that I didnt read in the manual....the touch pad buttons GLOW IN THE DARK. Just to make sure I took it into a room with no windows and sure as heck...you could see them plain as day. :thumbsup: Very clever addition, will be great for those dusk hunts.

I'm sure there are other things I wanted to mention but I'll save that for tomorrow. I plan on really giving it a workout tomorrow morning, if it doesnt rain. Going to a park that I'm pretty sure hasn't been hit very hard, if at all. Another Th'er is comming along with his E-trak and we're gonna compare machines, signals, etc. Should be interesting.

I do want to mention, making adjustments to programs, volumn and gain was sooo easy with the arrow buttons...never missed a beat detecting, no rebalancing although they do recommend it for a gain adjustment.

I'll let you know how the actual detecting in the field goes in a place I've never been versus trashy yards I've hit multiple times.

Al
 

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I'm going to be interested in seeing some of the comparisons come in with detectors in the similar class as this new Vision machine. I'm happy with what I have, but always like to hear more about new products. A certain other treasure site has strictly prohibited comparison threads on their Vision thread with the threat of IP's being banned. I guess no competition allowed there. Pretty funny stuff. No opinions allowed I guess. Start chiming in with those comparisons and inform us paupers about the new machine! One quick question for current Vision owners...how heavy is it. I get along well with my Tejon because it's super light weight and I have a bad back, so I am always interested to know how much they weigh. THanks!
 

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Al,

There is no viewing angle adjustment on this display. As with the DFX, you can change the pod angle some by bending the bracket, but you need to be very careful in doing this. Generally, if I get annoying reflections then I try to walk in a direction that minimizes the problem. We tried various anti-glare screens but found that they degraded the display too much.

The Deep Silver program should be set to the same volume as Coin, only Salt Beach has the volume cranked. Deep Silver is not a good program for trashy areas, as the recovery delay is set high.

- Carl
 

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Thanks Carl,

Getting ready to head out this morning. Suppose to be clear for a bit before it starts raining again. I was considering some type of hood to cover the display, shading it from the overhead light....but I'm glad you mentioned that White's did try other glass...I wondered about that.

Philvis, it is very light. Not sure of the exact weight but I'd say not much different than the DFX. And of course, it's pretty ergonomic, comfortably balanced..

I'll try to give a nonbiased opinion of how it compares with the E-Trak. We plan on using both on same signals before we dig, just to see how they stack up. Hoping this park kicks up some nice, old silver. Park dates back to late 1800's and had a train station and bandstand....

Unless it turns into a flaming war, T'net doesn't have a problem with having opinions... :thumbsup:

Al
 

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Dave and I went out yesterday to a parklet. He had his E-trac, me the Vision. He was kicking my butt on quantity of coins.
I got there a few minutes before him and had smacked a quarter right off. The ground was pretty quiet to start...then progressivly got trashier as we moved towards the center.
Dave was digging coins....I was swinging my detector....Dave was digging more coins....I was still swinging my detector.

Knowing your machine is definately a factor. :icon_study:

I finally turned my gain down (I was very close to power lines) and the ground quieted down and I hit a good target....3 quarters in the same hole about 4-5" deep. Two were 1965's and one a 1969...I had hopes for finding silver with the years on these.

Neither of us found anything older.....Dave thinks we were a few decades too late. There are a couple other local Th'ers. I almost didn't dig the three quarters and I'm guessing the way it was erratic that anyone else md'ing might have just left them, but I flipped the switch forward and got a very nice sinewave indicating a low frequency, so I dug them.

Hit a couple real good +94 signals but switching to the sinewave graph, it showed big iron...and they were...RR spikes.

Oddly, I didnt find a single penny and Dave had a whole handful. I'm missing something I think. My total coins were 5 quarters and 2 dimes.
We did try a comparison on a penny/dime signal but didnt dig it. The grass cutter showed up and we got to talking to him and moved out of his way. Nice guy, by the way. He mowed sections for us to detect while we detected unmowed areas. :thumbsup: But, our signals were similar and it didnt appear very deep.

Didnt have any problems with glare today, just tilted my head a tad or moved to face another direction.

I was impressed by the frequency offset...no powerline interference and I was able to get within a couple feet of Dave's E-Trak without any chatter.

I only dug 2 pieces of junk in the 3 hours we were there. One was a furrel that was round and close to 7-8 inches deep..and a piece of can slaw that was folded over tightly to form a big chunk. It was only a couple inches.
The furrel gave a very good, solid signal for it's depth.

Hoping there's a break in the rain today. Wanna try it at an 1830's park I wasn't able to do much at because of power lines. I'll let you know. Practice, practice, practice.... :thumbsup:

Al
 

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please keep us informed, we're waiting for more info
 

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Everything I have ever used with Bluetooth technology has a time delay which, when sweeping, gives you a tone on either side of the target depending on which way you are swinging the detector. Has Whites fixed this Bluetooth problem?
 

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Gen. Breckinridge said:
Everything I have ever used with Bluetooth technology has a time delay which, when sweeping, gives you a tone on either side of the target depending on which way you are swinging the detector. Has Whites fixed this Bluetooth problem?
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Yes! They didn't use bluetooth :)

They created their own proprietary system using some wireless components from Cypress Semiconductor. There is no delay.
 

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Are there any more testing results of the Vision perhaps on another thread in this forum?

Thanks.
 

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