Wheres the info on full tones?

[gunsil]

That may be a great strategy in 1971, or wherever it is that you hunt, but time and technology have changed the rules for modern hunters in many places.

More trash and less treasures are available to us on most public sites. I'm never digging it all except in layers over a period of time... unless I have a good reason to think I should.

By hook or crook, get your hands on one for a test run. Then go to a our 2016 trashy parks and tell me you're willing to still dig everything. See you at the finish line.

If you'd note my info on the left I do have a Safari and an AT Pro and believe me I do cherry pick. As far as old to new parks (I never hunt really new parks) I have been back to those good old honey holes of yesteryear and I am amazed at all the aluminum screw caps and pull tabs we didn't have to deal with back in the day. Hence since most targets in the pull tab and screw on cap range are all in the gold ring range and if you discrim out those you won't find the gold without digging all signals. All we had to deal with were steel bottle caps, (thousands of them) and tinfoil. But the good stuff was all scapped up by the BFOs, since all targets were dug. Safari gets fooled by rusty nails fairly often, ATP has faster recovery than the Safari, but the Minelab is a real silver sniffer and I think out sniffs the ATP in that sense. Nobody I know has a Deus to try, and with four modern machines in my arsenal the cost of a Deus is not practical at this time. It is also the light weight of the Deus that I like, the Safari weighs a ton. I will wait and see what the "new" Deus has going for it when it comes out sometime this year.

 

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[Calabash Digger]

If you'd note my info on the left I do have a Safari and an AT Pro and believe me I do cherry pick. As far as old to new parks (I never hunt really new parks) I have been back to those good old honey holes of yesteryear and I am amazed at all the aluminum screw caps and pull tabs we didn't have to deal with back in the day. Hence since most targets in the pull tab and screw on cap range are all in the gold ring range and if you discrim out those you won't find the gold without digging all signals. All we had to deal with were steel bottle caps, (thousands of them) and tinfoil. But the good stuff was all scapped up by the BFOs, since all targets were dug. Safari gets fooled by rusty nails fairly often, ATP has faster recovery than the Safari, but the Minelab is a real silver sniffer and I think out sniffs the ATP in that sense. Nobody I know has a Deus to try, and with four modern machines in my arsenal the cost of a Deus is not practical at this time. It is also the light weight of the Deus that I like, the Safari weighs a ton. I will wait and see what the "new" Deus has going for it when it comes out sometime this year.

I had the at pro before I got the deus and I became very good with it. Now im not drinking the deus kool aid when I tell you this you would be very surprised if you bought a deus and walked back over where you hunted with the at pro I was! I thought I was pulling all the targets out with the pro well I got shown different when I bought the deus. I thought the pro was fast and was good in iron but now that ive seen fast and being able to pick out targets from trash that the pro just could not handle well now I know whats up I was leaving stuff behind because the pro could not unmask it.

 

[OutdoorAdv]

The question is whether the Deus guys are digging nails because they know they are nails and are trying to clear the masking trash layer (i.e., digging everything) or if they are digging nails because they cannot differentiate them from keeper targets. The difference is important, and the answer says a lot about the capabilities of the machine and the user. I often will dig what I know is trash not because I have some uncertainty about what I am about to dig (because I am getting pretty good at listening to what the deus is telling me) but because I want to know for sure that that aluminum can or iron farm junk is not masking a deeper keeper find. Sometimes the machine can help you cherry pick the keepers from the trash and that can be the difference between finding something (while admittedly likely missing something else) or not finding anything at all because your machine is NOT telling you the difference (a la the BFO machine) and you simply do not have the luxury to be able to dig everything, not because you are lazy, but because you simply don't have enough time (sunset is coming, got to get back to real life) or cannot risk digging that many plugs for fear of creating some noticeable damage to a site.

Spot on man! I dig lots of nails because im on a colonial site thats worth digging nails. The colonial bone fork I just dug sounded like a nail! I know they're nails before i dig and I clear them out and have been rewarded by unmasking countless coppers and relics. There isnt a non ferrous signal left at my main site, yet theres still a ton left in the ground. The Deus found a lot that my other machines didn't.

 

[Gridwalker306]

Yep, I thought my other machines (ATPro) cleaned out my spots. Then I got the Deus. My mind was blown.

 

[Deft Tones]

thanks got long winded on this one.

That was good. Just don't try to say it all in one breath.

I went and hunted an old farmstead site on public land today so I can test a few things and listen to the tones for our conversation. It's to late in the season to effectively hunt but I tried where I could. Just trees and grass now with a couple depressions from the foundation, and, and I don't know what else. I scouted this place back in January with the Deus, noticing the depressions in the snow, hit it twice after first thaw and haven't been back. This place is along the Dragoon Trail, and that's the only reason I'm in the area to begin with. Anyway, all I had been finding previously were parts of 60's farm machinery, lots of corrugated steel roofing, soda cans, hunks of iron, bits of barbed wire, modern shotgun brass, and generally nothing but crap. Today I got lucky and managed to find a dateless standing liberty quarter at 1". Potential!

Even so, I ended up refreshing my memory as to why I don't relic hunt former home sites much.

I think I also found two musket balls on an adjacent corn field. They are caked in mud so I need to soak them, but If so a first for me. Thank you!

Anyway, all long winded with no substance... try this not-completely-relic-tested-nor-foolproof technique among the nails while trying to coax a good signal and determine falsing. I have had limited testing for relics, but it works great among foil, slaw, etc. Today testing this before proposing you try this, I was able to snag a few one-way-signal .22 bullets and shells from some heavy iron. I don't know why it would,nt work well for buttons and other items.

Rest the back edge of coil on top of your boot/shoe. Press the front tip to the soil. There should be like a 20 degree angle on the coil now. Get your target under the area between XP logo at the front of the coil and the front edge. Rotate the coil 30 degrees very quickly. Alter the angle if needed. Make your rotations as tight as needed.

The proper action is performed standing almost beside the coil, arm held to the side, elbow bent 90 degrees, detector's shaft extending straight down. Your wrist should be below your elbow now, and your elbow nearly parallel with your shoulders. Begin rotating the wrist and try to keep the coil stationary horizontally and vertically while giving it a series of sharp rapid 'twists'. The coil can be manipulated much more rapidly with this technique v.s. when the coil is directly in front of you trying to wiggle sharply.

Give it a try. I hope it helps.

Almost forgot, I never mount the controller, so maybe take it off if you do.

 

[Deft Tones]

Hence since most targets in the pull tab and screw on cap range are all in the gold ring range and if you discrim out those you won't find the gold without digging all signals.

I'm not completely disagreeing with what you've said, but I would like to ask you a question about what you've said. I know about the ATPro audio, not the others, so let me ask...

What percentage of all gold jewelry lost would you estimate gives a tone exactly, or even very similarly, like a pull tab or screw cap?

 

[Deft Tones]

The spot is littered with iron, and when I dug I pulled a very large rusty nail, and right beside it, almost touching it was a Barber dime. It was deep too. Since then I have been running full tones, especially in areas where there is any level of trash.

That's killer!

Similarly, I was blazing across a soccer field that in the past was farmland. Got a strange isolated hit that was loud, shortish, and low tone...and weird sounding. Stopped to investigate what turned out to be two distinct targets right next to one another. One obvious nail, but the other seemed good. It passed a few tests but still different.

Nobody but my religious wife, who's convinced it's a sign for me, will believe me when I say at only about 2"-3" I found a 1-1/4", Italian, 10K, square medallion depicting Jesus etched/carved into it... get this... right next to a nail bent 90 degrees and the head being 1/2" away!

Then I went on to find one more hallmarked gold wedding band with ice chips near the tennis courts. My second double gold day with the Deus! Really unbelievable, but it happened.

 

[Gridwalker306]

I'm not completely disagreeing with what you've said, but I would like to ask you a question about what you've said. I know about the ATPro audio, not the others, so let me ask...

What percentage of all gold jewelry lost would you estimate gives a tone exactly, or even very similarly, like a pull tab or screw cap?

The only real gold ring I have ever dug rang up at 52 from every direction on my ATPro. Before I dug I would have sworn it was an older nickel.

On my Deus, pull tabs ring up anywhere from the low 50's to the high 70's. I'd say a lot of gold jewelry would be in that range, so I dig everything from the 40's and up.

To say that all gold jewelry sounds exactly like the common pulltab is maybe less than accurate. Both gold and pulltabs vary in sound and VDI, so again this is why I dig everything.

Now, if I could only find a second gold item!

 

[Calabash Digger]

man if I could just find my first one!

 

[Deft Tones]

Forgive me if I wax a bit Socratic here…

I say, if one wants to find jewelry, then one should spend some time where it aggregates, namely, reputable jewelry stores, and observe what you see while thinking about what it is you hope to find. Don’t get too specific targeting only one type of jewelry either.

Where are the common, ordinary, yet precious items located?

Where are the valuable pieces located?

And where are the really valuable pieces located?

You see them hanging out together, mixing it up frequently?

That’s a clue!

Look at the huge variety of sizes, gauges, mounts and settings.

Do you notice a pattern among them?

Jewelers are just like everyone else, creatures of habit, and they adopt patterns too.

Keeping in mind my three monetary divisions – ordinary precious, valuable, extremely valuable, what do you see they have in common? See any differences? Don’t get too specific, but, generally can you spot the trends? Can they be simply sub-divided further from these trends?

There are clues to be found here!

Next, think about when an item is lost. No matter how it’s lost, how easy is it going to be to locate that item once in the lawn and you only have your eyes/hands? Hmmmm… another clue?
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We'll get you guys/gals some free gold soon enough. And if you're lucky, some pretty rocks to go with it.

It's why I can't hardly relic hunt. A time/reward type deal. One earring can earn you a few more Deus complete packages with all the accessories!. Think about it.

 

[Calabash Digger]

I had rather find a military button than a diamond ring but thats just me I have no desire to go to the beach or park im most at home in the deep woods at a old homesite . we are all different and each of us has his on gig.

 

[Deft Tones]

The only real gold ring I have ever dug rang up at 52 from every direction on my ATPro. Before I dug I would have sworn it was an older nickel.

On my Deus, pull tabs ring up anywhere from the low 50's to the high 70's. I'd say a lot of gold jewelry would be in that range, so I dig everything from the 40's and up.

To say that all gold jewelry sounds exactly like the common pulltab is maybe less than accurate. Both gold and pulltabs vary in sound and VDI, so again this is why I dig everything.

Now, if I could only find a second gold item!

And here is where the audio capabilities of the DFTL outshine the ATPro Zero audio. The ATP really has very good audio capabilities.

Imagine two people trying to describe all the crap in the dirt. One speaks a given language at an intermediate level. The other speaks a given language at a more expert level. If our examples could be translated it might look like this...

1: Something round down there! It is mid-conductivity. Seems another target of lower conductivity is very close to it. It's shallow.

2: There are two shallow, round objects of mid-conductivity that are closely co-located, with the smaller piece appearing to be a foil-type item. Warning, an anomoly in the shape of the larger item warrents more data collection. Further analysis indicates a high probability this target is a ring pull tab co-located with foil.


Thats how I hear it. Ithink DFTL is even more nuanced than the V3i tones.

 

[Deft Tones]

I had rather find a military button than a diamond ring but thats just me I have no desire to go to the beach or park im most at home in the deep woods at a old homesite . we are all different and each of us has his on gig.

Whats the difference between a ring and a button, really?

IMO there IS no difference when you get right down to a basic point. All these things we dig are nothing but relics. We're the one's dividing things from the whole.

To me, a most interesting question is, why do we do this with everything?

I personally prefer the solitude as well. If there were deep woods here, thats where I'd be too. Not hardly a place in this state where a road is more than 1 mile away from another it seems.

 

[Calabash Digger]

good question!