When Ordinary Science Fails to Explain

[EE THr]

HI Eddie, move over.

Don Jose de La Mancha

Come on up!! It's fun to be up here where we can look down upon them.

Is that why you scam people?---So you think that you can then look down upon them?

 

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[werleibr]

Show me yours I will show you mine.. Man is that all that goes on here. It does seem that EE posts more data and infor against the LRL than the LRL promoters post. Art has tried but has failed misserably. The funniest thing I find through out this forum is that LRL promoters seem to need to post defending someone else if that person was attacked, While the skeptics allow that person to explain for themselves as they cannot speak for someone else because we do not band together and talk to eachother on the side to figure out how we are going to bring things forward.

Now I did go back and watch a MR Art Flowers Videos that were taken in or near Gardnerville Nevada. I watched those videos carefully, watching Arts hand and physical demener. Art your body language gave away you ither tilting you hand or body. And it was kind of funny how the ranger tell only moves when you compleatly stop walking. Also I love the video of you digging a coin. You walk up the left side of the screen fast as seen by your shadow, then walk down the left side of the screen again only seeing your shadow, then bam you get on the target fast. This shows that you had staged a coin under or near the rocks. And when you were digging in the bucket you could see you knew the area to look for the coin.

 

[aarthrj3811]

~EE~

Are LRLs More Than Just Dowsing?

~werleibr~

Show me yours I will show you mine.. Man is that all that goes on here. It does seem that EE posts more data and infor against the LRL than the LRL promoters post. Art has tried but has failed misserably. The funniest thing I find through out this forum is that LRL promoters seem to need to post defending someone else if that person was attacked, While the skeptics allow that person to explain for themselves as they cannot speak for someone else because we do not band together and talk to eachother on the side to figure out how we are going to bring things forward.

Now I did go back and watch a MR Art Flowers Videos that were taken in or near Gardnerville Nevada. I watched those videos carefully, watching Arts hand and physical demener. Art your body language gave away you ither tilting you hand or body. And it was kind of funny how the ranger tell only moves when you compleatly stop walking. Also I love the video of you digging a coin. You walk up the left side of the screen fast as seen by your shadow, then walk down the left side of the screen again only seeing your shadow, then bam you get on the target fast. This shows that you had staged a coin under or near the rocks. And when you were digging in the bucket you could see you knew the area to look for the coin.

EE..Yes Using a LRL gives you much more information about the target from a greater distance.

werleibr..Thank you for reviewing my series of movies...the Dowsing rod holder is the most interesting...Completely discredits the Ideomotor Response...Another proves that Dowsing rods will cross when I step on a coin. The LRL movies prove that they will discriminate between different materials. One even shows that it will find the signal from other LRL’s. Another one shows how and where I locate the signals. I pay no attention to my hands except that I want them to be relaxed. Yes I do stop when I am close to a target line. When approaching a signal line I feel the pull on the device. I then will move slowly to observe just where the swing is completed.
The text at http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,305970.0.html
Tells how I determined where to set the camera on the tripod..By the way..You must have been watching some other movie if you saw my hand move..There is only one place that you can see the device and hand and it did not move...Nice try but no cigar...Art

 

[werleibr]

~EE~

Are LRLs More Than Just Dowsing?

~werleibr~

Show me yours I will show you mine.. Man is that all that goes on here. It does seem that EE posts more data and infor against the LRL than the LRL promoters post. Art has tried but has failed misserably. The funniest thing I find through out this forum is that LRL promoters seem to need to post defending someone else if that person was attacked, While the skeptics allow that person to explain for themselves as they cannot speak for someone else because we do not band together and talk to eachother on the side to figure out how we are going to bring things forward.

Now I did go back and watch a MR Art Flowers Videos that were taken in or near Gardnerville Nevada. I watched those videos carefully, watching Arts hand and physical demener. Art your body language gave away you ither tilting you hand or body. And it was kind of funny how the ranger tell only moves when you compleatly stop walking. Also I love the video of you digging a coin. You walk up the left side of the screen fast as seen by your shadow, then walk down the left side of the screen again only seeing your shadow, then bam you get on the target fast. This shows that you had staged a coin under or near the rocks. And when you were digging in the bucket you could see you knew the area to look for the coin.

EE..Yes Using a LRL gives you much more information about the target from a greater distance.

werleibr..Thank you for reviewing my series of movies...the Dowsing rod holder is the most interesting...Completely discredits the Ideomotor Response...Another proves that Dowsing rods will cross when I step on a coin. The LRL movies prove that they will discriminate between different materials. One even shows that it will find the signal from other LRL’s. Another one shows how and where I locate the signals. I pay no attention to my hands except that I want them to be relaxed. Yes I do stop when I am close to a target line. When approaching a signal line I feel the pull on the device. I then will move slowly to observe just where the swing is completed.
The text at http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,305970.0.html
Tells how I determined where to set the camera on the tripod..By the way..You must have been watching some other movie if you saw my hand move..There is only one place that you can see the device and hand and it did not move...Nice try but no cigar...Art

See now you are having to get me to download the videos and put them in software to show you with a line and circles. Give me a while to do this because I don't have video editing software on the computer I am currently using.

 

[EE THr]

Per the topic title---

When ordinary science fails to explain how fake devices allegedly "work," scammers try to pass off non-science mumbo-jumbo as real theories. When that won't work, they send in various trollers to confuse the issue, in attempts to divert focus away from the fact that LRLs really don't work at all.

This can clearly be seen in previous posts in this thread.

And that, very simply, sums it all up.

 

[aarthrj3811]

~werleibr~

See now you are having to get me to download the videos and put them in software to show you with a line and circles. Give me a while to do this because I don't have video editing software on the computer I am currently using.

You can do anything that you want..I am a treasure hunter that does not have a professional camera crew to follow me around. It is funny that the only complaints come from the skeptics...You can always use Prt Scr function and save it to paint... Any more excuses?

~EE~

Per the topic title---

When ordinary science fails to explain how fake devices allegedly "work," scammers try to pass off non-science mumbo-jumbo as real theories. When that won't work, they send in various trollers to confuse the issue, in attempts to divert focus away from the fact that LRLs really don't work at all.

What fake devices are you talking about? What scammers besides the skeptics are on this web site? When have you saw a LRL that did not work? The only trollers I see on t-net are the skeptics..Why should we be trying to divert the focus from a device that works?
Please answer the questions about your claims..Art

 

[EddieR]

Per the topic title---

When ordinary science fails to explain how fake devices allegedly "work," scammers try to pass off non-science mumbo-jumbo as real theories. When that won't work, they send in various trollers to confuse the issue, in attempts to divert focus away from the fact that LRLs really don't work at all.

This can clearly be seen in previous posts in this thread.

And that, very simply, sums it all up.

I suppose you can prove that someone was "sent in" to "confuse" the issue? Who "sent" them in? Who was "sent in" and who "sent" them?

Can you provide proof of THESE claims?

Wait, I just realized who posted the claims. OF COURSE there will be no proof, it's just opinions....AGAIN....in attempts to divert focus away from fallacies with no basis of truth.

Slow learner?

 

[werleibr]

~werleibr~

See now you are having to get me to download the videos and put them in software to show you with a line and circles. Give me a while to do this because I don't have video editing software on the computer I am currently using.

You can do anything that you want..I am a treasure hunter that does not have a professional camera crew to follow me around. It is funny that the only complaints come from the skeptics...You can always use Prt Scr function and save it to paint... Any more excuses?

~EE~

Per the topic title---

When ordinary science fails to explain how fake devices allegedly "work," scammers try to pass off non-science mumbo-jumbo as real theories. When that won't work, they send in various trollers to confuse the issue, in attempts to divert focus away from the fact that LRLs really don't work at all.

What fake devices are you talking about? What scammers besides the skeptics are on this web site? When have you saw a LRL that did not work? The only trollers I see on t-net are the skeptics..Why should we be trying to divert the focus from a device that works?
Please answer the questions about your claims..Art

Print screen function will not demonstrate the movement of your arms adequatly. When I can get to It i will take your video and show you.

 

[EddieR]

Show me yours I will show you mine.. Man is that all that goes on here. It does seem that EE posts more data and infor against the LRL than the LRL promoters post. Art has tried but has failed misserably. The funniest thing I find through out this forum is that LRL promoters seem to need to post defending someone else if that person was attacked, While the skeptics allow that person to explain for themselves as they cannot speak for someone else because we do not band together and talk to eachother on the side to figure out how we are going to bring things forward.

Now I did go back and watch a MR Art Flowers Videos that were taken in or near Gardnerville Nevada. I watched those videos carefully, watching Arts hand and physical demener. Art your body language gave away you ither tilting you hand or body. And it was kind of funny how the ranger tell only moves when you compleatly stop walking. Also I love the video of you digging a coin. You walk up the left side of the screen fast as seen by your shadow, then walk down the left side of the screen again only seeing your shadow, then bam you get on the target fast. This shows that you had staged a coin under or near the rocks. And when you were digging in the bucket you could see you knew the area to look for the coin.

Yes EE posted some good stuff before, but seems to be all out, as he is now posting his opinions and trying to pass them off as fact.

Hmmm.....just off the top of my head.....check out posts #608, and #673-674 in this thread and see who is defending who. You'll see it goes both ways. I could probably dig and find a lot more.

 

[EE THr]

~EE~

Per the topic title---

When ordinary science fails to explain how fake devices allegedly "work," scammers try to pass off non-science mumbo-jumbo as real theories. When that won't work, they send in various trollers to confuse the issue, in attempts to divert focus away from the fact that LRLs really don't work at all.

What fake devices are you talking about? What scammers besides the skeptics are on this web site? When have you saw a LRL that did not work? The only trollers I see on t-net are the skeptics..Why should we be trying to divert the focus from a device that works?
Please answer the questions about your claims..Art

When you can Scientifically Prove It to the World.

Unitl then, your claims are all just a bunch of BS.

 

[aarthrj3811]

~EE~

When you can Scientifically Prove It to the World.

Quit dodging the question by Proving you can start threads...What does PROVE IT TO THE WORLD mean in your world?...Art

 

[EE THr]

~EE~

When you can Scientifically Prove It to the World.

Quit dodging the question by Proving you can start threads...What does PROVE IT TO THE WORLD mean in your world?...Art

It means that the same proof is required, that every other electronics device must be subjected to: Either general public agreement by electronics experts, or Scientific Proof using the Scientific Method.

But you will not accomplish either of these, because you have already refused to even try!

The reason being that none of your fantasy devices actually work!

 

[EE THr]

Yes EE posted some good stuff before, but seems to be all out, as he is now posting his opinions and trying to pass them off as fact.

All the facts that anyone will ever need are right here.

 

[aarthrj3811]

~EE~

It means that the same proof is required, that every other electronics device must be subjected to: Either general public agreement by electronics experts, or Scientific Proof using the Scientific Method.

But you will not accomplish either of these, because you have already refused to even try!

Many different LRL owners have done this test...
This is my version of a Blind test. I use halves of 6 Plastic Easter eggs and a coin. I give my wife the coin and she goes out the back door and I stay inside while she places the coin under one of the egg halves. She then goes around the house and knocks on the front door. I go out, not having any contact with her. I locate the coin, go in the house and give it to the wife and start over again. I make 10 to 15 passes and then take a break. My results are all ways the same. I find the coin every time.

There you go EE...we use Scientific Method....Art

 

[EE THr]

~EE~

It means that the same proof is required, that every other electronics device must be subjected to: Either general public agreement by electronics experts, or Scientific Proof using the Scientific Method.

But you will not accomplish either of these, because you have already refused to even try!

Many different LRL owners have done this test...
This is my version of a Blind test. I use halves of 6 Plastic Easter eggs and a coin. I give my wife the coin and she goes out the back door and I stay inside while she places the coin under one of the egg halves. She then goes around the house and knocks on the front door. I go out, not having any contact with her. I locate the coin, go in the house and give it to the wife and start over again. I make 10 to 15 passes and then take a break. My results are all ways the same. I find the coin every time.

There you go EE...we use Scientific Method....Art

Taking a test by yourself, or with your LRL promoter friends, is not scientific.

If you had read the definition in the link I provided, you would already know that your results must be repeatable by others, and I wouldn't have to tell you. Plus, you will need better witnesses---prove it to the World, con Artie.

Your stories aren't proof. Certainly not after you've posted all the fake "evidence" like fake photos, phony videos, and invented testimonials.

But I don't really expect you to understand this, because you've been told dozens of times already, and you still don't know! That figures!

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[Ted Groves]

Yes EE posted some good stuff before, but seems to be all out, as he is now posting his opinions and trying to pass them off as fact.

Hmmm.....just off the top of my head.....check out posts #608, and #673-674 in this thread and see who is defending who. You'll see it goes both ways. I could probably dig and find a lot more.

Right! And this coming from one of the self-appointed protectors of the G&T.C., who takes pride in telling you that he chases around old houses taking pictures of spooks, goblins, ghosts and other aberrations that exist only is his twisted little closed mind.

Hey Pizza Man, have you got your pumpkin properly carved and ready... your big night is not that far off.

 

[werleibr]

~EE~

It means that the same proof is required, that every other electronics device must be subjected to: Either general public agreement by electronics experts, or Scientific Proof using the Scientific Method.

But you will not accomplish either of these, because you have already refused to even try!

Many different LRL owners have done this test...
This is my version of a Blind test. I use halves of 6 Plastic Easter eggs and a coin. I give my wife the coin and she goes out the back door and I stay inside while she places the coin under one of the egg halves. She then goes around the house and knocks on the front door. I go out, not having any contact with her. I locate the coin, go in the house and give it to the wife and start over again. I make 10 to 15 passes and then take a break. My results are all ways the same. I find the coin every time.

There you go EE...we use Scientific Method....Art

Video the entire thing.. Set up the camera to see all the eggs and your wife hiding it along with the back door. Have her knock on the back door and then sit with her back to you to not make contact. GO find the coin that we got to watch her place under an egg and then not have contact with you and show us that you find the coin.

 

[aarthrj3811]

~EE~

Taking a test by yourself, or with your LRL promoter friends, is not scientific.

Why is this not a scientific test?..Because there is not one t-net skeptics there...After all..my test comes from Carl’s web site. If my test is not a scientific test then the test you keep promoting is not a scientific test
~werleibr~

Video the entire thing.. Set up the camera to see all the eggs and your wife hiding it along with the back door. Have her knock on the back door and then sit with her back to you to not make contact. GO find the coin that we got to watch her place under an egg and then not have contact with you and show us that you find the coin.

No Thank you...Art

 

[werleibr]

~EE~

Taking a test by yourself, or with your LRL promoter friends, is not scientific.

Why is this not a scientific test?..Because there is not one t-net skeptics there...After all..my test comes from Carl’s web site. If my test is not a scientific test then the test you keep promoting is not a scientific test
~werleibr~

Video the entire thing.. Set up the camera to see all the eggs and your wife hiding it along with the back door. Have her knock on the back door and then sit with her back to you to not make contact. GO find the coin that we got to watch her place under an egg and then not have contact with you and show us that you find the coin.

No Thank you...Art

Why not Art.. Will it do what we all think it will... PROVE THAT AN LRL IS NOT A WORKING DEVICE?

side note.. Downloaded all your videos last night. Then computer crashed.. Coincedence? He he.. No.. it was on the verge of going out. Just found it comical yesterday.

 

[EE THr]

~EE~

Taking a test by yourself, or with your LRL promoter friends, is not scientific.

Why is this not a scientific test?..Because there is not one t-net skeptics there...After all..my test comes from Carl’s web site. If my test is not a scientific test then the test you keep promoting is not a scientific test

No Thank you...Art

If your story were true, then you would have no trouble passing Carl's test, would you. But you don't want to take Carl's test.

...And you don't want to collect the 25K.

...And you don't want to prove it to the World.

Do you have any other fairy tales you want to tell us about?






Don't be a doof---show the proof!

P.S. When will you man-up and take Carl's double-blind test, and collect the $25,000.00?
A Dozen Points Proving LRL Fraud These points have never been rationally refuted.