Undiscovered treasure galleons

[simon zacarias]

The 1605 fleet did not sink in the Serranillas. Calculation of the course they have been near Bajo Nuevo when the leading ships the roque fired the warning shots. At that time only the 4 leading ships were together and turned east. By then the roque was the last ship of the 4 ships. Here some of the stuff which was on those ships. Need more stuff on the 1605? Was in Honduras and archive in Sucrelast year and now in Bogota. Research is everything.

 

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[Marine Archaeology Int.]

Simon, interesting posting. Thank you for the attachments. Can you tell us a little bit more about yourself?

 

[simon zacarias]

Hi. About myself? I am marine electrical engineer, so I travel a lot. However the last 3 years I was involved in investing various shipwrecks . 1605 and the 1708 San Jose.
Since the Qhara Qhara indigenous from Bolivia have a claim on the ship, cause they are the owners of the Potosi mine, and the land around there, I became delegate for this tribe after being in Potosi. Which again brought me to Cartagena last year when the official start of the salvage was announced. There II met w Correa culture minister, ambassador of Spain, etc.
Since a while I prepare google earth and open cpn with the courses the ships of the 1605 fleet before it got lost. I am a sailor, sailing boats, so my understanding of navigation and ships are large enough to even put weather as trade winds and so on into consideration.
Overlays of modern maps/ charts with old original maps, and satellite view makes an area like Roncador very different.
I guess it’s a lot of work to get closed to the treasure.
The trick is : don’t touch the treasure. It’s getting complicated if u want to drag away 100 tons of gold and 250 tons of silver and the rest. The time Odyssey and Mel fisher are over. Now we have to fight Spain not to get what they never had or owned. We have 150 gallons in Colombia waters alone. That’s a lot of gold.
The Spanish killed 10 million during the 300 years around. That was cheap labor to get that stuff to Sevilla. They literally took the Inca empire and shipped it to Spain. They get nothing now. End of story.

 

[ISmellGold]

Huguette and Pierre Chaunu, SEVILLE ET L’ATLANTIQUE, vol. IV, p. 200
The San Martin and the San Gregorio returned to Seville in October 1606.
Two lines, but what a story.
The story of 4 ill fated galleons.
SAN ROQUE, CAPITANA
SANTO DOMINGO, ALMIRANTA
SAN AMBROSIO
NUESTRA SENORA DE BEGONA
Four of the richest galleons, shipwrecked on the first of November 1605.
Never found.
Never salvaged.
Where are they?
Below is a chart of about 100 years later. The route of the galleons is clearly marked.
Now, where on this chart did the disaster happen?

Shown on a map 100 years later? 🤣 Never Reported Found, Never Reported Salvafged

 

[simon zacarias]

Shown on a map 100 years later? 🤣 Never Reported Found, Never Reported Salvafged

 

[Colombiapictures]

The position of Bajo Nuevo only appeared on the charts much later.
From the deck of a ship, Bajo Nuevo and Serranillas look very similar. The currents in the region are quite irregular so it was very difficult to be certain of the longitude before the invention of the chronometer.

 

[simon zacarias]

The position of Bajo Nuevo only appeared on the charts much later.
From the deck of a ship, Bajo Nuevo and Serranillas look very similar. The currents in the region are quite irregular so it was very difficult to be certain of the longitude before the invention of the chronometer.

That’s right. They knew to be be in the Víboras. That incl. the reefs around the serranillas. I did plot the course taken the reports of the surviving ships and average speed.

 

[lukdiver2]

That’s right. They knew to be be in the Víboras. That incl. the reefs around the serranillas. I did plot the course taken the reports of the surviving ships and average speed.

Well after reading the last 5 pages of this thread I'm feeling we were very lucky with our 'encounter' at Serranilla in the late '80s when we sailed our sailboat past there. My conversation with the soldier wasn't 'friendly' (i.e.: couple shots over my head) as I kept insisting it was joint jurisdiction. Wasn't till I talked to Charge de'affair in Colon that he informed me President Reagan had relinquished the dual jurisdiction claimed by President Kennedy. He was surprised I didn't get shot. We talked to a Canadian cruiser afterwards who had a 'similar encounter' and he informed me that the 'black telescope with 2 guys on cinderblock building' we saw was a 50cal. machine gun. Boy we were dumb.