Trump to Declare National Emergency Today

[Treasure_Hunter]

I understand that... BUT... there was NO mention of ANY virus HERE.... in any way shape or form in mid Feb.

Yes we all heard of it OVER THERE... but no "confirmed" cases were in U.S. at that point... even though we NOW know that there were cases all over last year.

No one was wearing masks in February here.

It was not until mid March that we first heard of the possibility of there being a problem.

1st US reported case was Jan 19, 2020 in Washington state. Pres Trump locked down travel from China on Jan 31st.

"On January 19, 2020, a 35-year-old man presented to an urgent care clinic in Snohomish County, Washington, with a 4-day history of cough and subjective fever. On checking into the clinic, the patient put on a mask in the waiting room. After waiting approximately 20 minutes, he was taken into an examination room and underwent evaluation by a provider. He disclosed that he had returned to Washington State on January 15 after traveling to visit family in Wuhan, China. The patient stated that he had seen a health alert from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) about the novel coronavirus outbreak in China and, because of his symptoms and recent travel, decided to see a health care provider."

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2001191

 

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[SeabeeRon]

Thought I'd share article on mask wearing...

https://news.yahoo.com/coronavirus-view-hong-kong-american-100007420.html

DISCLAIMER: This is NOT meant to be Political.

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

Evidence Mounts COVID Less Lethal Than Predicted
The 'experts' may have subjected us to a blunder greater than any since the Iraq War

"Mounting evidence suggests the coronavirus is more common and less deadly than it first appeared.

The evidence comes from tests that detect antibodies to the coronavirus in a person’s blood rather than the virus itself.

The tests are finding large numbers of people in the US who were infected but never became seriously ill. And when these mild infections are included in coronavirus statistics, the virus appears less dangerous.

“The current best estimates for the infection fatality risk are between 0.5% and 1%,” says Caitlin Rivers, an epidemiologist at the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security.

That’s in contrast with death rates of 5% or more based on calculations that included only people who got sick enough to be diagnosed with tests that detect the presence of virus in a person’s body."

https://catalyst.independent.org/2020/06/15/npr-covid-not-as-deadly/

 

[Tiredman]

Seems folks have different sets of facts. Either way I expect the virus will play a big part in the election. But don't read into that it could be taken both ways. Lol

 

[ARC]

1st US reported case was Jan 19, 2020 in Washington state. Pres Trump locked down travel from China on Jan 31st.

"On January 19, 2020, a 35-year-old man presented to an urgent care clinic in Snohomish County, Washington, with a 4-day history of cough and subjective fever. On checking into the clinic, the patient put on a mask in the waiting room. After waiting approximately 20 minutes, he was taken into an examination room and underwent evaluation by a provider. He disclosed that he had returned to Washington State on January 15 after traveling to visit family in Wuhan, China. The patient stated that he had seen a health alert from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) about the novel coronavirus outbreak in China and, because of his symptoms and recent travel, decided to see a health care provider."

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2001191

My point was... no one was wearing masks... at least widespread at that point... February that is.

I saw Kace's response which sheds light on it now.

Personally I know that the virus was here last year... I have talked with a few people that swear they had it then.

 

[Ol' Kentuck]

Even the box the masks come in says the masks dont work on virus .

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Are Non-Respirator Masks Ineffective at Protecting Against COVID-19?

The CDC recommends that members of the public use simple cloth face coverings in public settings to help slow the spread of the virus.

" During the COVID-19 coronavirus disease pandemic in 2020, as Americans were being increasingly required to wear face masks in order to patronize businesses such as grocery stores, some social media users began circulating images questioning the efficacy of wearing those masks. (Such as The One From Your Post)

This photograph (and others like it) reflects accurate disclaimers on the packaging of face masks that caution users, “THIS PRODUCT IS NOT A RESPIRATOR AND WILL NOT PROVIDE ANY PROTECTION AGAINST COVID-19 (CORONAVIRUS) OR OTHER VIRUSES OR CONTAMINANTS.” Such disclaimers do not mean that wearing masks is ineffective at limiting the spread of COVID-19, however, but rather that viewers are misunderstanding the function and purpose of different types of face masks.

The type of mask known as a N95 respirator is, in the words of the Food & Drug Administration (FDA), “a respiratory protective device designed to achieve a very close facial fit and very efficient filtration of airborne particles”.

The primary purpose of N95 respirator masks is to protect the wearer from airborne particles (including small aerosol particles), such as those that might cause disease. That is why such masks are worn by health care personnel who are treating patients in a medical setting, to help prevent those personnel from contracting illnesses their patients might spread to them. These masks also, of course, provide some measure of protection for the patients as well.

On the other hand, the primary purpose of (cloth) ear loop masks (like the type represented by the picture of packaging seen above) is to protect other people by blocking large-particle droplets, splashes, sprays, or splatter containing infectious agents that the (infected) wearer might release through coughing, sneezing, talking, and the like. (Although, again, they do provide some small measure of protection to the wearer, but not at nearly as high a level as a respirator mask would.)

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) recommends that members of the public use simple cloth face coverings when in a public setting to slow the spread of the virus, since this will help people who may have the virus and do not know it from transmitting it to others.

In short, you shouldn’t count on ear loop masks to protect you from COVID-19 – you should wear them mainly as a public service to help protect others from you. "


https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/cloth-masks-ineffective-covid19/



Denial is not a river in Egypt.

 

[Ol' Kentuck]

It's not a minor inconvenience if you suffer from allergies. After ten minutes in a store, I start to get light headed from a lack of oxygen. I also wear glasses, which fog up every time I'm in the store.

You do what you want, but don't even think about walking up to me and telling me to wear a mask. I do wear one in stores, but no way am I wearing one while walking down the street. Bottom line, MYOB.

Nice Tat. That took what, maybe an hour or two? Sitting in a chair while some guy stabs you repeatedly with a needle and ink.

And yet you whimper about allergies and wearing a mask for 15 minutes, "getting light headed" and "glasses that fog up when you're in the store"?

I bet you didn't insist the artist take off his gloves and mask while getting that tattoo, did you?

Forgive me if I find sympathy a little out of reach. At least you make the effort to wear one (mask) in the store, even if it's grudgingly. Kudos for that.

Freedom isn't the Right to do anything you want, even if it infringes on the Rights of Others by putting them in harms way. Freedom is the Right to Police Yourself.

In that respect, MYOB.

 

[fistfulladirt]

Nice Tat. That took what, maybe an hour or two? Sitting in a chair while some guy stabs you repeatedly with a needle and ink.

And yet you whimper about allergies and wearing a mask for 15 minutes, "getting light headed" and "glasses that fog up when you're in the store"?

I bet you didn't insist the artist take off his gloves and mask while getting that tattoo, did you?

Forgive me if I find sympathy a little out of reach. At least you make the effort to wear one (mask) in the store, even if it's grudgingly. Kudos for that.

Freedom isn't the Right to do anything you want, even if it infringes on the Rights of Others by putting them in harms way. Freedom is the Right to Police Yourself.

In that respect, MYOB.

Can you prove the “harm’s way” part?

 

[fistfulladirt]

Personally I know that the virus was here last year... I have talked with a few people that swear they had it then.

Reminds me of...the flu.

 

[fistfulladirt]

Turned off my TV. The radio isn’t much better. Did that, it’s like nothing’s ever happened, it’s crazy!

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

So Masks?

• N95 masks and masks with exhale ports
• surgical masks
• filter or cloth masks

Okay, so upon further inspection, OSHA says some masks are okay and not okay in certain situations. If you’re working with fumes and aerosol chemicals and you give your employees the wrong masks and they get sick, you can be sued.

• N95 masks: are designed for CONTAMINATED environments. That means when you exhale through N95 the design is that you are exhaling into contamination. The exhale from N95 masks are vented to breath straight out without filtration. They don’t filter the air on the way out. They don’t need to.
Conclusion: if you’re in Target and the guy with Covid has a N95 mask, his covid breath is unfiltered being exhaled into Target (because it was designed for already contaminated environments, it’s not filtering your air on the way out).

• Surgical Mask: these masks were designed and approved for STERILE environments. The amount of particles and contaminants in the outside and indoor environments where people are CLOGGING these masks very, VERY quickly. The moisture from your breath combined with the clogged mask will render it “useless” IF you come in contact with Covid and your mask traps it, YOU become a walking virus dispenser. Everytime you put your mask on you are breathing the germs from EVERYWHERE you went. They should be changed or thrown out every “20-30 minutes in a non sterile environment.”

• Cloth masks:
CLOTH masks do not filter anything. You mean the American flag one my aunt made? Yes. The one with sunflowers that looks so cute? Yes. The bandanna, the cut up t-shirt, the scarf ALL of them offer NO FILTERING whatsoever. As you exhale, you are ridding your lungs of contaminants and carbon dioxide. Cloth masks trap this carbon dioxide the best. It actually risks your health, rather than protect it. The moisture caught in these masks can become mildew ridden over night. Dry coughing, enhanced allergies, sore throat are all symptoms of a micro-mold in your mask.

-Ultimate Answer:

*N95 blows the virus into the air from a contaminated person.

*The surgical mask is not designed for the outside world and will not filter the virus upon inhaling through it. It’s filtration works on the exhale, (Like a vacuum bag, it only works one way) but likely stops after 20 minutes, rendering it useless outside of a STERILE ENVIRONMENT

*Cloth masks are WORSE than none. It’s equivalent to using a chain link fence to stop mosquitos.

The CDC wants us to keep wearing masks. The masks don’t work. They’re being used to provide false comfort and push forward a specific agenda. For the love of God, research each mask’s designed use and purpose, I bet you will find NONE are used in the way of “viral defense.”

Just like EVERY Flu season kids, wash your hands. Sanitize your hands. Don’t touch stuff. Sanitize your phone. Don’t touch people. And keep your distance. Why? Because your breath stinks, your deodorant is failing, your shoes are old and stink, that shirts not clean, & I like my space, but the masks do not work.

*Occupational Safety & Hazard Association sited.
The top American organization for safety.
They regulate and educate asbestos workers, surgical rooms, you name it.

If your mask gives you a sense of security, by all means wear it. Just know it is a false sense of security and you shouldn’t shame anyone into partaking in such “conspiracies.”

If select politicians stopped enforcing it, no one would continue this nonsense. Don’t drink the kool-aid.

3 different brands of surgical masks with same warning.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

Good info...

 

[Honest Samuel]

A lot of TP in Connecticut. Steaks are a lot and all foods.

 

[Ol' Kentuck]

So Masks?

• N95 masks and masks with exhale ports
• surgical masks
• filter or cloth masks

Okay, so upon further inspection, OSHA says some masks are okay and not okay in certain situations. If you’re working with fumes and aerosol chemicals and you give your employees the wrong masks and they get sick, you can be sued.

• N95 masks: are designed for CONTAMINATED environments. That means when you exhale through N95 the design is that you are exhaling into contamination. The exhale from N95 masks are vented to breath straight out without filtration. They don’t filter the air on the way out. They don’t need to.
Conclusion: if you’re in Target and the guy with Covid has a N95 mask, his covid breath is unfiltered being exhaled into Target (because it was designed for already contaminated environments, it’s not filtering your air on the way out).

• Surgical Mask: these masks were designed and approved for STERILE environments. The amount of particles and contaminants in the outside and indoor environments where people are CLOGGING these masks very, VERY quickly. The moisture from your breath combined with the clogged mask will render it “useless” IF you come in contact with Covid and your mask traps it, YOU become a walking virus dispenser. Everytime you put your mask on you are breathing the germs from EVERYWHERE you went. They should be changed or thrown out every “20-30 minutes in a non sterile environment.”

• Cloth masks:
CLOTH masks do not filter anything. You mean the American flag one my aunt made? Yes. The one with sunflowers that looks so cute? Yes. The bandanna, the cut up t-shirt, the scarf ALL of them offer NO FILTERING whatsoever. As you exhale, you are ridding your lungs of contaminants and carbon dioxide. Cloth masks trap this carbon dioxide the best. It actually risks your health, rather than protect it. The moisture caught in these masks can become mildew ridden over night. Dry coughing, enhanced allergies, sore throat are all symptoms of a micro-mold in your mask.

-Ultimate Answer:

*N95 blows the virus into the air from a contaminated person.

*The surgical mask is not designed for the outside world and will not filter the virus upon inhaling through it. It’s filtration works on the exhale, (Like a vacuum bag, it only works one way) but likely stops after 20 minutes, rendering it useless outside of a STERILE ENVIRONMENT

*Cloth masks are WORSE than none. It’s equivalent to using a chain link fence to stop mosquitos.

The CDC wants us to keep wearing masks. The masks don’t work. They’re being used to provide false comfort and push forward a specific agenda. For the love of God, research each mask’s designed use and purpose, I bet you will find NONE are used in the way of “viral defense.”

Just like EVERY Flu season kids, wash your hands. Sanitize your hands. Don’t touch stuff. Sanitize your phone. Don’t touch people. And keep your distance. Why? Because your breath stinks, your deodorant is failing, your shoes are old and stink, that shirts not clean, & I like my space, but the masks do not work.

*Occupational Safety & Hazard Association sited.
The top American organization for safety.
They regulate and educate asbestos workers, surgical rooms, you name it.

If your mask gives you a sense of security, by all means wear it. Just know it is a false sense of security and you shouldn’t shame anyone into partaking in such “conspiracies.”

If select politicians stopped enforcing it, no one would continue this nonsense. Don’t drink the kool-aid.

3 different brands of surgical masks with same warning.
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Perhaps you didn't know that there are two different regulating bodies for two different types of N95 Respirators, one for Construction and Industrial use - and one for Health Care Settings.

The surgical N95 respirators are class II devices regulated by the FDA, under 21 CFR 878.4040, and CDC NIOSH under 42 CFR Part 84.

The Industrial N95's are regulated by the National Personal Protective Technology Laboratory (NPPTL) in the National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health (NIOSH), which is part of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).

https://www.fda.gov/medical-devices...n95-respirators-surgical-masks-and-face-masks


Perhaps you also weren't aware that OSHA and the CDC have issued the same Joint Coronavirus Guidance for protection of employees for their safety and health.

https://www.osha.gov/news/newsreleases/national/04262020


In other words.... the Institution you claim is perpetuating a conspiracy, the CDC, is actually a Regulating Body of the Organization you state is.... "The top American organization for safety. They regulate and educate asbestos workers, surgical rooms, you name it."

So which is it.....Is The CDC Perpetuating A Conspiracy......or Are They The "Top Organization For Safety"?


And just as a Recap of the information I have been providing, in case there are those who don't like to go to links and verify it for themselves...

MASKS DO NOT PROTECT YOU FROM GETTING THE CORONAVIRUS (COVID19).

They are being recommended and used, along with other precautionary measures, to SLOW THE SPREAD.

Surgical N95's are designed to HELP PROTECT THE WEARER against the transfer of microorganisms, body fluids, and particulate material...ie, Airborne Particles coming from OUTSIDE the mask. They achieve a very close facial fit and very efficient filtration of airborne particles. While they do afford efficient filtration of airborne particals coming from outside the masks, they do allow unfiltered air to escape out of the mask.

Surgical Masks, like the ones recommended for the General Public, are mainly designed to HELP PROTECT THOSE AROUND US against the transfer of microorganisms, body fluids, and particulate material...ie, Airborne Particles coming from INSIDE the mask. If worn properly, a surgical mask can help block large-particle droplets, splashes, sprays, or splatter that may contain germs (viruses and bacteria) from others, keeping it from reaching your mouth and nose. It does not filter or block breath or very small particles in the air that may be transmitted by coughs, sneezes, or certain medical procedures. They also do not provide complete protection from germs and other contaminants because of the loose fit between the surface of the mask and your face.

NEITHER MASK AFFORDS COMPLETE PROTECTION. Their use is only One Of Several Measures used to combat the transfer of Coronavirus, in addition to handwashing, disinfecting solutions/sanitizers, and social distancing.

My personal opinion, if you have someone in your home with a compromised health condition, use the N95 when you go out and keep your distance from others. If you don't, use the other masks and keep your distance. In Both cases use every other precaution as well such as hand washing and sanitizing. It won't guarantee anything, but it will help, and we need all the help we can get right now....not a bunch of sniveling conspiracy theorists making it harder to control.



Ditch the Kool-Aid and have some coffee.

 

[Kace]

Thanks For Posting That Kentuck... You beat me to it!

I think that's been a Big confusion on the N95's...Nobody has done a great job Publicly of explaining there are two different types.

What's happening in the USofA is Not Working. Regardless of how we feel about things or people, We've All Got To Come Together and Protect Each Other. That's the Only Way to get past this is working together. We can't keep doing the same thing over and over and failing while the rest of the world moves on.

I don't LIKE wearing masks or respirators either, but it's worth it if we All do it when we go out to TRY and stop this virus or slow it down til it's manageable and hopefully at some point treatable without death or lifetime side effects.

If people can't find or afford masks, use a linen table napkin folded in half....so you can't see sunlight through it. Wash it in Hot Water in the laundry before the next use. Thrift stores or garage sales sometimes have those if you don't have some. Anything is better than nothing and I doubt seriously any of us wants to go back to mandatory stay at home orders again.

I talked to three people today...unknown to each other and they've All lost trips they had planned and Paid For to Europe cause we aren't allowed to visit there due to this virus here. I realize that's a luxury, but one of the three is a 40th anniversary they've been planning since their 35th...I doubt another 40yrs will be there for them. One was a honeymoon, which who even knows if there will be a wedding, the Priest said he wouldn't plan on it happening like they've planned in the Church. The other was a vacation.

All 3 of these couples will survive not going to Europe, but there's No Reason we as a country should be on that list of unwanted and banned.

Stay Safe Everyone!

Kace

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

95% of the masks I see people using dont do squat, surgical masks are single use and designed for use in hospitals they do not filter out the air you breath, they are designed for use in a controlled hospital environment. The manufacturers even put warning on the boxes that they are ineffective for Covid19. The home made ones are useless.

WHO, CDC and U.S. surgeon all originally said masks dont work for stopping the spread of Covid19, Coronavirus is coronavirus, covid19 is just a different strain of coronavirus.

Again if wearing the masks gives you a sense of security have at it.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/t...r-facemasks-because-of-coronavirus-2020-01-30

 

[Ol' Kentuck]

Thanks For Posting That Kentuck... You beat me to it!

I think that's been a Big confusion on the N95's...Nobody has done a great job Publicly of explaining there are two different types.

What's happening in the USofA is Not Working. Regardless of how we feel about things or people, We've All Got To Come Together and Protect Each Other. That's the Only Way to get past this is working together. We can't keep doing the same thing over and over and failing while the rest of the world moves on.

I don't LIKE wearing masks or respirators either, but it's worth it if we All do it when we go out to TRY and stop this virus or slow it down til it's manageable and hopefully at some point treatable without death or lifetime side effects.

If people can't find or afford masks, use a linen table napkin folded in half....so you can't see sunlight through it. Wash it in Hot Water in the laundry before the next use. Thrift stores or garage sales sometimes have those if you don't have some. Anything is better than nothing and I doubt seriously any of us wants to go back to mandatory stay at home orders again.

I talked to three people today...unknown to each other and they've All lost trips they had planned and Paid For to Europe cause we aren't allowed to visit there due to this virus here. I realize that's a luxury, but one of the three is a 40th anniversary they've been planning since their 35th...I doubt another 40yrs will be there for them. One was a honeymoon, which who even knows if there will be a wedding, the Priest said he wouldn't plan on it happening like they've planned in the Church. The other was a vacation.

All 3 of these couples will survive not going to Europe, but there's No Reason we as a country should be on that list of unwanted and banned.

Stay Safe Everyone!

Kace

You are more than welcome Kace. It's heartening to know there are those out there who truly get it. Unfortunately this looks to be a big year for Darwin Awards, at a huge cost to the innocent general public they take with them. Thank you for all you do.


Best Wishes to You and Yours!

 

[davest]

95% of the masks I see people using dont do squat, surgical masks are single use and designed for use in hospitals they do not filter out the air you breath, they are designed for use in a controlled hospital environment. The manufacturers even put warning on the boxes that they are ineffective for Covid19. The home made ones are useless.

WHO, CDC and U.S. surgeon all originally said masks dont work for stopping the spread of Covid19, Coronavirus is coronavirus, covid19 is just a different strain of coronavirus.

Again if wearing the masks gives you a sense of security have at it.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/t...r-facemasks-because-of-coronavirus-2020-01-30

well that's easy. Don't wear a mask if it offends you. In the mean time don't bother those that chose to. Freedom is a two way street and if the capitalists want to make rules for their brick and mortar stores, they should be allowed to without interference. You can write a letter to headquarters letting them know you're not going to shop there. See. Easy Peasy. With over 10K new cases today in Floriduh, I'm sure they'll pay close attention to your feelings.

 

[fistfulladirt]

I didn’t wear a mask last year, the numbers haven’t changed. Lots of flu last year.

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

well that's easy. Don't wear a mask if it offends you. In the mean time don't bother those that chose to. Freedom is a two way street and if the capitalists want to make rules for their brick and mortar stores, they should be allowed to without interference. You can write a letter to headquarters letting them know you're not going to shop there. See. Easy Peasy. With over 10K new cases today in Floriduh, I'm sure they'll pay close attention to your feelings.

Where did I say stores don't have a right to block people with out masks? Where did I tell anyone dont wear a mask? I in fact said if wearing a mask makes you feel secure to have at it. Works both ways, dont harrass people who chose not to. If a store requires a mask and I need to go in then I wear a mask or I dont go in, it's simple.