Treasure Mountain, CO - Lost Frenchmens Gold

[solomon grundy]

I would like to dig up one of these boulders. There’s still a lot of gold left up on that mountain.100 and something oz in it they got it stashed down there in the Denver Museum if you wanna see it.

TMI on Summitville:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Summitville_mine - superfund clean up history, they really screwed the environment mining that "After the company insolvency proceedings were completed in a British Columbia court, the US Government declared the site a superfund cleanup site and spent $155,000,000 of public funds cleaning up the site" which i dont understand how a company that found "A total of 294,365 troy ounces (9,155.8 kg) of gold and 319,814 troy ounces (9,947.3 kg) of silver were recovered." went bankrupt [quick interrupt - Locals tell me go look for silver not gold]. just shows the difficulty. that leaching method is a nasty horrible thing... who knows what in 1790 they would have done. also a lot of folks dont know about https://maps.app.goo.gl/ENSq5Y2pEYkyrygd7 Crystal Hill Gold Mine which also had leaching but didnt fail like the canadians. you can drive right up and into it. nearby there is a citrine pit. i have found some weird stuff up there but like all real gold stories this is a modern mine, nothing 1790. side note, every trip i take i am the only person for miles and miles and miles...

coming from the midwest it is wild that here in CO we have rivers you cant naturally use, high acid and metals in them... i also have a creek nearby called Hot Creek and its warm year round and hear that folks can dip into it in winter... its a geologist dream here... Utes had holy sites for a lot of hot springs around here....

https://pubs.usgs.gov/of/1995/ofr-95-0023/summit.htm has good info

i strongly believe so many folks prospecting here in the mid 19th century would have found most of this, hell summitville is almost 12k feet up so nowadays you really got to climb to find something unseen. met a guy that said he found gold around 14k or something and damn that is a tough climb.

 

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[sdcfia]

. . . . i dont understand how a company that found "A total of 294,365 troy ounces (9,155.8 kg) of gold and 319,814 troy ounces (9,947.3 kg) of silver were recovered." went bankrupt [quick interrupt - Locals tell me go look for silver not gold]. just shows the difficulty. . . . .

Sounds like those Summitville miners were plagued with an unexpected containment snafu due to equipment failure. Oops. They may have made profits on the mine up until then, but when they apparently faced pollution remediation lawsuits it sounds like they skipped out. If you're itching for a prospecting project, I'd still be looking for gold. At a current $32/oz spot silver value, the best high grade silver miners in the world, mostly in Mexico, are barely paying their bills. Most successful silver mines (80-90% of the world's silver recovery) are large base metal mines with silver as a nice byproduct.

 

[solomon grundy]

Sounds like those Summitville miners were plagued with an unexpected containment snafu due to equipment failure. Oops. They may have made profits on the mine up until then, but when they apparently faced pollution remediation lawsuits it sounds like they skipped out. If you're itching for a prospecting project, I'd still be looking for gold. At a current $32/oz spot silver value, the best high grade silver miners in the world, mostly in Mexico, are barely paying their bills. Most successful silver mines (80-90% of the world's silver recovery) are large base metal mines with silver as a nice byproduct.

i agree 100% we want gold. but i think that is the point. as folks dont find gold they can find silver... between us a couple pounds of silver are all good in my pocketbook. not talking large mines tho.

story of https://lastchancemine.com/ nearby. "It leapt from a population of 600 in 1889 to more than 10,000 in December 1891." Creede CO is a worthy tourist visit imho https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creede,_Colorado

Bonanza a little NE had President Grant visit it, its a ghost town now. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonanza,_Colorado (the story of the pretty lady is fascinating).

love to find either. or copper leading to turquoise.

but really, a French soldier button from 1790 would be worth more than gold!

 

[sdcfia]

Yeah, that old French button could possibly spark years more snooping on your part. Looking for minerals can also be pretty exciting.

Out of curiosity at the time, but primarily the promise of really good wages, in 1974 I took a job at the Idarado Mine above Ouray. My very first shift, and the very first time I had been underground in a mine, our crew, including a management guy, all joined in on a high-grading frolic. Solid gold in snow white quartz. Everybody got some. That gets your heart pumping.

Below is a photo of a 16-ounce piece of picture rock taken out of the same vein structure where I was working. A guy named Clancy got it in the 1940s.

 

[solomon grundy]

Yeah, that old French button could possibly spark years more snooping on your part. Looking for minerals can also be pretty exciting.

mind blown on "Everybody got some" moment. '74 gold prices compared to today too.

i could never go down a mine, i have recruited a guy i know locally who can do 1k feet and all that for holes i find. repel and all that. recently we had a horror and i do not do mine tours: https://apnews.com/article/colorado-former-gold-mine-death-3ff210f97a9c046bd09499c3c6ef8272

 

[sdcfia]

mind blown on "Everybody got some" moment. '74 gold prices compared to today too.

i could never go down a mine, i have recruited a guy i know locally who can do 1k feet and all that for holes i find. repel and all that. recently we had a horror and i do not do mine tours: https://apnews.com/article/colorado-former-gold-mine-death-3ff210f97a9c046bd09499c3c6ef8272

I could repeat underground mining horror stories that the old-timers told us new guys, but . . . let's not go there. I will say that the stories were very effective and encouraged vigilance on the job.

 

[Crow]

I could repeat underground mining horror stories that the old-timers told us new guys, but . . . let's not go there. I will say that the stories were very effective and encouraged vigilance on the job.

Under ground Miners deserve every cent they are paid and perhaps mores so.

Crow

 

[solomon grundy]

Under ground Miners deserve every cent they are paid and perhaps mores so.

Crow

i am such a rock romantic, indiana born, that i always like ex coach of KY john calipari despite KY, and the coal miner that came to his game: but not gonna lie, sand got in my eyes following longer stories about this, he VIPd hiim, the whole state did

 

[cyzak]

TMI on Summitville:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Summitville_mine - superfund clean up history, they really screwed the environment mining that "After the company insolvency proceedings were completed in a British Columbia court, the US Government declared the site a superfund cleanup site and spent $155,000,000 of public funds cleaning up the site" which i dont understand how a company that found "A total of 294,365 troy ounces (9,155.8 kg) of gold and 319,814 troy ounces (9,947.3 kg) of silver were recovered." went bankrupt [quick interrupt - Locals tell me go look for silver not gold]. just shows the difficulty. that leaching method is a nasty horrible thing... who knows what in 1790 they would have done. also a lot of folks dont know about https://maps.app.goo.gl/ENSq5Y2pEYkyrygd7 Crystal Hill Gold Mine which also had leaching but didnt fail like the canadians. you can drive right up and into it. nearby there is a citrine pit. i have found some weird stuff up there but like all real gold stories this is a modern mine, nothing 1790. side note, every trip i take i am the only person for miles and miles and miles...

coming from the midwest it is wild that here in CO we have rivers you cant naturally use, high acid and metals in them... i also have a creek nearby called Hot Creek and its warm year round and hear that folks can dip into it in winter... its a geologist dream here... Utes had holy sites for a lot of hot springs around here....

https://pubs.usgs.gov/of/1995/ofr-95-0023/summit.htm has good info

i strongly believe so many folks prospecting here in the mid 19th century would have found most of this, hell summitville is almost 12k feet up so nowadays you really got to climb to find something unseen. met a guy that said he found gold around 14k or something and damn that is a tough climb.

Oh I forgot to mention do not go on the mine property up there they have cameras every were and I mean everywhere. Once you go on mine property a guy or women will show up wearing a hazmat suit and tell you to leave immediately they are nice the first time but the second watchout that's when the recording starts. So tell everyone you know stay away from the mine and Wightman fork creek do not get in it either god knows what is in that water. I tried going in at schinzell flats one time and they had me with in 30 minutes and that's a tough area. But there is so much other country up there to explore.

 

[solomon grundy]

Oh I forgot to mention do not go on the mine property up there they have cameras every were and I mean everywhere. Once you go on mine property a guy or women will show up wearing a hazmat suit and tell you to leave immediately they are nice the first time but the second watchout that's when the recording starts. So tell everyone you know stay away from the mine and Wightman fork creek do not get in it either god knows what is in that water. I tried going in at schinzell flats one time and they had me with in 30 minutes and that's a tough area. But there is so much other country up there to explore.

since its one of the nastiest superfunds in US history i wont be going near it, i see folks fishing the alamosa river or nearby and i cannot understand, deadly ignorance. until i moved out to CO i had no idea there were natural arsenic or high metals creeks, so state designations on fishing are key - like Gold Trout fishing the Arkansas River. that is a clean one. by me the Rio Grande is clean.... but that area is nasty like all leaching mines that didnt care.

btw there is an abandoned town nearby that also is all no trespassing

now in the summer in every valley, in every pull over and camping spot they all will be taken. again the amount of eyes and feet that have traversed that area since 1790 could be in the hundreds of thousands

i strongly recommend the LFG fable folks focus on another area for any cache locations. unless the real fable is The Lost Corrupt Spanish Governor Gold which i find much more likely. maybe a mission formed in Paris but no soldier can mine the San Juan mountains for 3 years...

 

[solomon grundy]

i thought about this driving back from Pagosa Springs... they say they buried the gold into a rockslide? that one cracks me up. go ahead and try it. that much weight as you shuffle a rockslide around. i swear i wonder where they get this stuff sometimes. i picture a human chain going up a rockslide and as they hand each other one gold bar at a time. imagine being under fire and trying this maneuver... its called a rockslide for a reason. how much volume could one burrow into a rockslide? so bizarre. imho i like the idea of under a lake. i dont think the Utes were sub aquatic. the Navajo were spiritual about water. methinks easier to toss gold into a lake then any rockslide.

 

[Ramiro valdez]

Where is this mine? Is it in Colorado? If so, are you able to share any more information as to its location. Either on the blog or private message. I actually explore and abandoned mines as one of my hobbies. This mine is extremely interested both historically and archaeologically.

I can tell you a lot here, but it will be a free for all to act on the location of the buried gold! I don't know if that's ok with Cyzak and Solomon or any other treasure hunter that has been climbing the area looking for the gold? I don't think that it's fair for them to allow a newcomer to discover the hidden area of the gold buried site? But if no body has a problem with me just telling the story here of what happened, I will do that my way? Unless all of you come to an agreement that I should only tell one person from the group who can share the information with the group? I can just point out all my findings and take credit for finding it! But it wouldn't be fair to this community because everyone involved in this thread has contributed directly and indirectly in keeping the story alive as a group! My main source of defining a story is the story that pertains to a cipher map! Then I follow the leads that require me to search and find anything related to the clues which is information that some of you may have or had previously shared! Therefore I do not wish to claim full credit for the find! I want you to know that before you tell me just to post the information here? Which I will gladly do? If that is what the group wants?

 

[cyzak]

I can tell you a lot here, but it will be a free for all to act on the location of the buried gold! I don't know if that's ok with Cyzak and Solomon or any other treasure hunter that has been climbing the area looking for the gold? I don't think that it's fair for them to allow a newcomer to discover the hidden area of the gold buried site? But if no body has a problem with me just telling the story here of what happened, I will do that my way? Unless all of you come to an agreement that I should only tell one person from the group who can share the information with the group? I can just point out all my findings and take credit for finding it! But it wouldn't be fair to this community because everyone involved in this thread has contributed directly and indirectly in keeping the story alive as a group! My main source of defining a story is the story that pertains to a cipher map! Then I follow the leads that require me to search and find anything related to the clues which is information that some of you may have or had previously shared! Therefore I do not wish to claim full credit for the find! I want you to know that before you tell me just to post the information here? Which I will gladly do? If that is what the group wants?

So you Ramiro valdez are going to post the location of millions of dollars of treasure on this site.Something people have been looking for years and have spent thousands of dollars trying to find.
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/g...EbkHsbZb4uKuVKRCkOOg2ADWZze9RlB2IjRzVj1=h1440

 

[Ramiro valdez]

So you Ramiro valdez are going to post the location of millions of dollars of treasure on this site.Something people have been looking for years and have spent thousands of dollars trying to find.
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/g...EbkHsbZb4uKuVKRCkOOg2ADWZze9RlB2IjRzVj1=h1440

Why not? Why is it so hard to understand? You make it sound like the gold is still there? The truth is no one knows if it's there Or are you telling me that you found it based on your photo? What are you trying to say? So what your saying is that you found the the five goldmines located 21/3 miles away from the campsite, the captains quarters located above the campsite plus the unmarked gold location buried below ground which doesn't have any stones on top of it! Near two other indicators that telll you exactly where it's at! That photo doesn't really define the story. I guess on your behalf? Your saying go ahead and post my findings? I get it! No problem! Waiting in the rest to see what they have to say?

 

[cyzak]

Why don’t you try and get this one solved first RV

 

[Ramiro valdez]

I solved the location of the first treasure that Beale mentioned which was to have the instructions of the other two treasure that were several miles away. I've known this for a very long time. The first cipher letter had been decipher by a certain individual giving away several clues. But there was other clues hidden within the numbers of that letter which you were supposed to use together to locate the general location of all three treasures. The other two letters were supposed to explain the immediate locations of the area plus the specific instructions to follow to defined the exact place of the three buried treasure. To this day I don't know if the other two letters were properly decipher. Decrypting numbers into text message or converting a cipher text into a cipher message is something I don't need to do because the professional do a pretty good job of it and since I know that you don't really need all the clues to find the treasure based on my knowledge, I've been very successful. That kind of cryptology can give you headaches! Headaches that you don't need ? Which are going to continue when you come to find out that you can't decipher the text message? There are several stages of deciphering a strong cipher and that's what many don't understand. Each stage doesn't explain everything you need to know. But each one will give you several clues that you must find or follow. So I do rely on all the information I can get to locate a treasure. Sometimes if your lucky you could find other cipher maps that pertain to the same treasure which will allow you to combine the clues giving you more knowledge of the treasure's location. In the old days, the Templars used to use three separate symbolic cipher maps to lead you to the treasure. I started deciphering old symbolic cipher maps before I joined treasure-net. As time went by they start to add cryptology to the ciphers to be able to tell a story and at the same time provide hidden clues. Most people fall for only the story? Leaving the clues behind? In some cases where an organization or group of individuals happens to be involved, in hiding a treasure, you can expect several ciphers from different individuals explaining where the treasure was buried. So if you're lucky and find another cipher to the same treasure? Then you don't need to fully decipher all three letters! As to the Beale thread, there were several reasons why I didn't post the location of that treasure. But the most important one was that they didn't really want to here or except what I was saying when I gave away the very first clues. They were too smart for me! So the rest of the way I just messed with them! And every now and then I do it again! Because I know the location! But here is the difference between them and you? None of them were active in searching for this treasure or posting that they had been in Virginia looking for the treasure or planning seriously to go out there and find the treasure! You may think that there are others out side of the thread who want to find the treasure too! But I don't care about them as much I care for this community because the outsiders don't contribute to the posting! So I'm not going to wait forever to give you or the group opportunity to act as a group like it should have been in the beginning since you are a community? But maybe you're not? In that case I will not expect any of you to work with me? So I see myself working with everyone! So everyone can take advantage of knowing the location! Since you don want to work as a team? I'm ok with that! Because there are many individuals actively looking for this treasure and I want to prove myself to the group that I know what I'm talking about! It's the only way to do it since you don't take me seriously! Besides I have many other treasure that I have decipher and this one wasn't so hard to figure out! You should try Olivier Levassure cipher map, the pirate Nangeon cipher map, Oak Island cipher maps, or the Lue cipher map! Now those are harder but breakable! Nice of you to bring up the Beale treasures trying to insinuate that I don't know what I'm talking about? That's the whole point as to why I'm going to describe hidden information that pertains to this story which the historian on this thread will enjoy more than the buried gold! Give me a good excuse why I shouldn't do this which makes sense to you?

 

[cyzak]

Yes please post the location this should be interesting I absolutely have no problem with it.. I want a map with a pin location and in June I will go there and I will post everything on this thread as to what I found and photos. Make sense to you.