Treasure Mountain, CO - Lost Frenchmens Gold

[mdog]

That is the one that Leblanc made.

Maddog, was right about questioning the location where the South Platte River met the Arkansas River, where the Indians fought the French expedition. The South Platte River really doesn't really reach the Arkansas River unless it overflows. If you took that as a starting point and work yourself towards the north you would run into the location. You will first run by several rock slides and they chose one of those rock slides to buried their gold which was not the best thing to do because the water ended up displacing the rocks. Easy for a sheepherder to see. There are two rock structures mentioned on two of the three cipher maps. One is a large graphic circular outline that describes the entrance to the goldmine. The other cipher map used a small circular letter to tip you off. then two of the cipher maps used a rock structure that resembles a candle holder. It kind of looks more like a volcano looking like rock structure. They used this as a reference to help you locate the circular entrance to the goldmine. Once you find that first goldmine you find the rest. You can find the volcano looking like structure near Beaver Creek before it turns into West Beaver Creek. The camp is the easiest thing to find by using the cipher map. If you know the location you can easily decipher the map. Don't forget about the video it has one very important clue if you want to quickly find the place where they buried the gold. Good luck Denver, happy hunting Colorado.

Thank you for the information. I'm interested in your historical research. Have you been to the site?

 

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[Goldseeker74]

I've successfully decipher a good amount of cipher maps. I've actually have given away information pertaining to two, but I didn't want to explain them in detail because I did not want you to know how certain symbol were being used and the information definitely would help you decipher other ciphers. I could explain the who cipher in detail. I usually point you to the general area and that's where I stop because treasure hunters don't give me the credit I deserve. They are greedy individuals and only care about what you can give them. So instead I try to give everyone opportunity by giving out the general location before the immediate. So everyone looking for the treasure can have a fair chance in finding exploring the immediate area of the treasure. Most greedy treasure hunters don't like, but want to make sure that you know this as a community of treasure hunters looking the lost Frenchmen gold and the hidden goldmines. I'm here to help you, in finding the location, and I'm going to give you the information that you need. Information that you are missing which will define all the stories you have heard. I will for the first time explain everything in detail. But as a community you won't be able to hide the information or be the only ones to explore the immediate area because the area is not far from the public eye. Anyone can be there within thirty minutes. So I offered you the opportunity to get together an exploration team so you can explore it before anyone finds out. But I've not heard anyone speak out. I'm going to decipher this treasure story for you in detail so the next time you don't question my knowledge of knowing how to decipher treasure maps. Randy also has the opportunity to stop me and interview me in order to take advantage of this information. But it's not up to me to help you decide. With that in mind I will proceed to tell you what you don't know. In a couple of days I will start answering some of the most important question that you all brought up. Don't say that I didn't want to work with you

 

[Goldseeker74]

https://books.google.com/books?id=wrRTXeZlby0C&pg=PA174&lpg=PA174&dq=john+chisholm+ambassador+of+the+plains&source=bl&ots=Uoi8Ompsgt&sig=wKbKi39b-9Jt2D9FOECH1QZYrFY&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjwrom-mY7SAhUn54MKHTrDCSUQ6AEIOTAG#v=onepage&q=john chisholm ambassador of the plains&f=false

On pages 17, 18 and 19 of the above link, Walnut Creek is mentioned, twice as the site of gold and silver recoveries and once as a destination for a treasure search. One of the treasure recoveries was made by a man who claimed to be a member of the Zebulon Pike Expedition of 1807. Walnut Creek is also mentioned in this account of the Pike Expedition.

Zebulon Pike's Expedition To The Southwest 1806-1807

Pike spent a week in this area and then his party separated with Lt. Wilkinson going down the Arkansas River and eventually to St. Louis. Wilkinson was the son of General James Wilkinson who was a spy for the Spanish and a traitor who planned to build an empire in Louisiana Territory. If this is the same Walnut Creek for all these events, it seems strange that Pike would spend so much time there and then split his party. Pike was also at several sites in Colorado where there were legends of Spanish mines. He was also getting pretty close to the San Juan Mountain area when he was captured by the Spanish. Kinda makes you wonder if Wilkinson had him on a treasure search.

Do you know what state that Walnut creek is in? The one that is mentioned in the Zebulon Pike expedition of 1807.

 

[Goldseeker74]

You guys have produced one of the best threads. This thread is a good example of what can be accomplished through collaboration.

Time for a field trip?

Here are a couple interesting pictures.

Look near the center of the picture for the dark rectangular door shape with a light circle in it.
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Here is a close up
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I might be able to get there if I were a mountain goat or if I could fly.

Patrick

What part of the colorado is this pic taken? Looks like a place that is definitely worth checking out. Looks like it might require ropes to get down to it.

 

[mdog]

Do you know what state that Walnut creek is in? The one that is mentioned in the Zebulon Pike expedition of 1807.

I think it was by Arkansas City, Kansas but not for sure.

 

[Ramiro valdez]

Thank you for the information. I'm interested in your historical research. Have you been to the site?

Thank you, for being interested. I'm going to take you back to the 1600's or 1800's. At a time when there was no roads in a place no European had ever seen. There was no satellite, no internet, and no map. You must work with what you have like a pirate. Which means you have to have a compass, a spyglass, and be on the look out. I'm pretty sure you can use a compass, a spyglass, but you're missing the lookout which you can obtain easily with the satellite. All cipher maps are based on three maps the major, the general, and the immediate. But one cipher map can contain all three within its self. If it wasn't made that way no one would find it. So because of the large symbolic large cipher map, using the satellite, you don't have to set foot on the location which also includes the general mapping and 8 out of 10 times the immediate is very visible when the cipher map contains the graphic outlined of what you need to find. Cipher immediate instructions will only be needed when you're within a hundred and fifty feet, give or take, and you cannot see the door entrance in order to find it. But they did not need immediate instructions for finding all five of the goldmines. Although they did cipher instructions using symbolic symbols as to the location of the buried treasure. I cannot give you the immediate location because non of you will benefit if I tell everyone one on this site. So I'm hoping that you and your colleague who's family has been looking it for many years who goes out into the mountains ever year, because he has the most experience, will figure it out by what I said. If you can't find it when you get there I will point it out for you that way you can take immediate control of the find. But it would better if you find it yourself for historical record. Read between the lines.

 

[Ramiro valdez]

https://maps.app.goo.gl/hwkyqkVarxfsLU2L6
Treasure Mountain
Colorado 81147
(southern one, by South Fork, prolly 20 min from where i live)

and

Treasure Mountain · Colorado 81623

★★★★★ · Mountain peak

maps.app.goo.gl

Treasure Mountain
Colorado 81623
(northern one, fits the gold type better, see link below)

what i believe is the southern one is b.s. and the northern one had remains of a stable and smelter, but as always dont believe me check out https://web.archive.org/web/20120814001208/http://www.coloradovacation.com/history/treasuremtn.html

I'm glad you like the info. I'm hoping I gave you enough information so you can locate the gold yourself. If not you can message me when you are standing where the campsite was.

 

[solomon grundy]

I'm glad you like the info. I'm hoping I gave you enough information so you can locate the gold yourself. If not you can message me when you are standing where the campsite was.

the campsite was in the northern Treasury Mt, the second link, trust but verify

 

[mdog]

the campsite was in the northern Treasury Mt, the second link, trust but verify

What's the location of this mountain?

 

[Ramiro valdez]

There two things that I circled on this cipher map. One is the entrance of the goldmine which you can see from the campsite. He used a spyglass from the campsite to draw the entrance which is blocked by a large rock. If you follow the dotted line you are going to be able to see the outline of the rock blocking the circular entrance to the goldmine. When you get to the campsite you be able to read this map even better. There are other things on this map that you can define once your there. This was probably the first map drawn since they were able to go back several times. The goldmine is located west of the volcano looking rock. The mountain is scarred with natural features that define the location of all five goldmines. Look for something that looks like the capital B. There you will find the main goldmine.

 

[Ramiro valdez]

This next cipher map, as Markmar said , was discovered in Utah but it's has nothing to do with Utah. This cipher map shows all the natural scarred features you're going to find on the mountain range. It plots all five goldmines for you, the cipher is divided into five separate messages. There are three messages on the right that describe in three different ways, just to confuse you, how to locate the main goldmine. The good thing is you don't have to go to the campsite to locate all the mines because the satellite will do it for you. I hope I don't have to explain the last cipher map. But if you keep not finding what you're looking for? Well I'll be force to tell you everything.

 

[Ramiro valdez]

Ok, I'll help you locate the goldmine with this photo. This outline looks like a capital L next to what looks like a capital B or S. Whatever this is? There below is the main goldmine.

 

[Ramiro valdez]

Ok, I'll help you locate the goldmine with this photo. This outline looks like a capital L next to what looks like a capital B or S. Whatever this is? There below is the main goldmine.

View attachment 2194333

Ok that's it for now.

 

[solomon grundy]

What's the location of this mountain?

from "post-7288203"]https://www.treasurenet.com/threads...t-frenchmens-gold.494972/page-35#post-7288203
but also match that to:
"I told Maynard how to interpret the signs and Maynard the next summer went right to the original French campsite. There he found the stone corral they kept their horses and mules in, a stone hearth and the smelter they refined the gold in. Last I knew he still hadn't found the gold but several artifacts did surface. Coins, buttons and belt buckles that sort of thing."

 

[mdog]

from "post-7288203"]https://www.treasurenet.com/threads...t-frenchmens-gold.494972/page-35#post-7288203
but also match that to:
"I told Maynard how to interpret the signs and Maynard the next summer went right to the original French campsite. There he found the stone corral they kept their horses and mules in, a stone hearth and the smelter they refined the gold in. Last I knew he still hadn't found the gold but several artifacts did surface. Coins, buttons and belt buckles that sort of thing."

Thank you.

 

[Goldseeker74]

Ok that's it for now.

Where is this mine? Is it in Colorado? If so, are you able to share any more information as to its location. Either on the blog or private message. I actually explore and abandoned mines as one of my hobbies. This mine is extremely interested both historically and archaeologically.

 

[solomon grundy]

crude bars of gold found imho relative to this story:

https://www.legendsofamerica.com/deadmans-cave-treasure/ "Shining their torches around, Oliver found the first of five skeletons scattered around the dusty, dark cavern. While exploring the cavern, they found several tight passageways extending into the gloom of the mountain. Choosing one, they followed the tunnel deeper into the mountain until it opened up into a large vault-like chamber. Shining their torches around, Melton noticed shelves on the western wall that had been carved into the stone. Bringing his torch closer, he saw several odd-looking stones stacked on one of the shelves picking one up, he was surprised at its heavy weight. When he and his partners scrutinized it more carefully, they were astounded to discover that the stone was actually a crude bar of gold!"

https://discover.hubpages.com/travel/Colorado-Lost-Treasure-La-Caverna-Del-Oro-The-Cave-of-Gold "n 1811, 270 years later a man named Baca while exploring in the Sangre de Cristo Mountains in the vicinity of Marble Mountain stumbled upon a stash of mined gold nuggets and some rugged and primitive made gold bars."

------------- some things that bother me about the LFG tale:
this next type of content really grinds my gears from https://www.legendsofamerica.com/deadmans-cave-treasure "Once they reached the east side of the Rockies they began to prospect for gold with little or no success, the expedition turned south and set up a camp and base of operations several miles east of what is now Wolf Creek Pass near the town of Summitville." this is complete b.s. I wonder where this lie came from. Summitville is not in the mineral belt. you dont just wander from Denver almost 400 miles to Summitville. that jump makes zero geological sense. again all of this without any footprint left behind?

Summitville and the San Juan Mountains simply put was inhospitable for many months in the year which would double our French miners' footprint because this would mean there would be two locations for which a camp would be. One camp and stamp mill facilities at the mine, and the other at the winter getaway. Some of the silly newspaper articles will say they wintered in Taos and Santa Fe arousing suspicions down there but again zero evidence to such conjecture.

"Placer mining was conducted seasonally for the first few years. The district’s high altitude and harsh weather resulted in most miners leaving each winter. It wasn’t until 1875 when hard rock mines started operating that attempts were made at a year-round community.

Even the district’s largest mines often had to close down for part of the winter as the depth of the snow made mining and milling impossible. Large parts of Summitville’s population would winter in the valley each year." [ref]

and this folks was 1875 so imagine what 1790 would have been like... but i want to point out that even in 1875 they were just sluicing placer gold. this makes me think we have no idea the amount of gold lying around in 1790. maybe you could just walk these streams picking stuff up. i would like that for our fable if folks weren't talking such large amounts. also if placer gold was so prevalent then no reason to be in San Juans when closer to Denver Cripple Creek and such would have had similar....

tldr: we dont know how much gold was literally just lying around in 1790 Colorado. The locals did not unlike the Aztecs incorporate gold into their art etc. "Prior to European contact, the Utes did not have a monetary system and did not consider gold to be a valuable commodity for its own sake" so they weren't picking it up. It almost jumps the fable here and think of how much gold was just laying around western US and Rockies mid 18th century... think about this mates: "The largest nugget ever found in Colorado was "Tom's Baby", which weighed 13 pounds, 7 ounces before washing." How many Tom's Babies were there in 1790?

[edited to be positive and informative and not opinionated]

------------end spout, apologize for not well written, will edit down later, also:

btw this makes you think about the logistics of how they could move any large amount of gold in the new world:
https://englishhistoryauthors.blogspot.com/2012/07/carrying-away-booty-drakes-attack-on.html

boy wouldnt it be nice to find one mule shoe from that period? one?

 

[Goldseeker74]

We have a copy of a book from the French archives that has dozens if not hundreds of maps and entries from the Jesuit priests. We had some of these translated back in the 90s. Many of the entries and maps explain the americas as they have come to know them. I’ll see if I can get it scanned into an electronic format and share it. Here is one of their maps that explains the route they would travel. View attachment 2182268

What was the name of this book that you requested from the French archives? Did you get a physical or digital copy of the book? Looks like it is very interesting and would be worth translating.

 

[Goldseeker74]

Did anyone every dig up anything on Bernardo Sanchez from Taos, New Mexico. He was the rancher that guided the French on their second expedition. Apparently, he returned to Taos alone just stating the French had been killed by the Indians.

 

[cyzak]

Did anyone every dig up anything on Bernardo Sanchez from Taos, New Mexico. He was the rancher that guided the French on their second expedition. Apparently, he returned to Taos alone just stating the French had been killed by the Indians.

I would like to dig up one of these boulders. There’s still a lot of gold left up on that mountain.100 and something oz in it they got it stashed down there in the Denver Museum if you wanna see it.