The Waltz Map

Hmmm, LDM clues told or written by first LDMSeekers ……. You mean like Dick Holmes, and Julia Thomas.
😉😂😂
You might try a different angle , because that one sure backfired.
You can also try the back door. The angle is the same, only direction and starting point changes.
Bark's notes have a lot of accurate clues on the LDM. Take your time to read them.
 

You can also try the back door. The angle is the same, only direction and starting point changes.
Bark's notes have a lot of accurate clues on the LDM. Take your time to read them.
Your “poor loser” attitude, with repulsive remarks is not appropriate.

As far as you’re moving the goal posts …. Nah, find a playmate elsewhere.
 

Your “poor loser” attitude, with repulsive remarks is not appropriate.

As far as you’re moving the goal posts …. Nah, find a playmate elsewhere.
You are also poor on clues and a loser on the LDM. You can try in Utah. There is the Rhoades mine which could make you the same famous you are dreaming to be.
 

You are also poor on clues and a loser on the LDM. You can try in Utah. There is the Rhoades mine which could make you the same famous you are dreaming to be.
Markmar

You really don't understand what Idahodutch has completed lately. But, that's on you. I hope you can continue to help out with all these legends - instead of discouraging some users here. I believe we can all work together at least in the spirit of what we love the most; discovering the hidden.
Grace and Peace to you
-SpartanOC
 

Markmar

You really don't understand what Idahodutch has completed lately. But, that's on you. I hope you can continue to help out with all these legends - instead of discouraging some users here. I believe we can all work together at least in the spirit of what we love the most; discovering the hidden.
Grace and Peace to you
-SpartanOC
I'm not trying to discourage people who want to search for hidden gold related to a specific legend. They are free to spend their time and money in the way they like. The hope dies last.
What Idahodutch don't know, is how at that site, were other people in the past who did some works there, used some LR detectors of their era, staked some claims and found nothing close to the surface. That region and its surroundings was searched inch by inch, not for the LDM but for the yellow metal generally.
 

I'm not trying to discourage people who want to search for hidden gold related to a specific legend. They are free to spend their time and money in the way they like. The hope dies last.
What Idahodutch don't know, is how at that site, were other people in the past who did some works there, used some LR detectors of their era, staked some claims and found nothing close to the surface. That region and its surroundings was searched inch by inch, not for the LDM but for the yellow metal generally.
Markmar

I believe you with regards to your statement. I understand that there have been some that have searched in that general area - the question is: Did they cover ALL of the surrounding area?

-SpartanOC
 

Anyway, I believe all of the caches are now removed, the big one and last one was about 150 lbs and was taken out in 1942 by 15 apache men from the shaft mine.
Axer

What do you have to show - that 15 Apache men raided the area in 1942, taking out 150lbs of Ore?

And what general area are you referring to?

As far as I understand, there is STILL one last cache in Waltz's location.

-SpartanOC
 

Axer

What do you have to show - that 15 Apache men raided the area in 1942, taking out 150lbs of Ore?

And what general area are you referring to?

As far as I understand, there is STILL one last cache in Waltz's location.

-SpartanOC
According to Johnny Kochera, Silas Haywood told him he went into the sups in 1942 with 14 apache men from fort McDowell to the inclined shaft location, they uncovered the shaft and brought up about 150 lbs of ore, then covered up the shaft, the apache then supposedly started a cattle ranch with the money from the gold out of state, I believe this was the third and last cache piled right on top of the covered gold deposit at the bottom of the shaft.
 

According to Johnny Kochera, Silas Haywood told him he went into the sups in 1942 with 14 apache men from fort McDowell to the inclined shaft location, they uncovered the shaft and brought up about 150 lbs of ore, then covered up the shaft, the apache then supposedly started a cattle ranch with the money from the gold out of state, I believe this was the third and last cache piled right on top of the covered gold deposit at the bottom of the shaft.
Axer,
The details of the story you talk about, seem to be combining attributes and activities from multiple mine stories.

The point being, the story doesn’t match up to the clues from Waltz. 🤷🏼‍♂️ at least not that I’ve seen…… including “the Waltz Map”

I have to say that 14 Apache men + Haywood, each carrying out ~ 10 pounds of ore each. Why not 4 apache men, with each of 5 men carrying 30 pounds of ore….

What is it about the story, that has you believing it over all the other stories?

Help us understand 🙂
Sincerely,
Idahodutch
 

Axer,
The details of the story you talk about, seem to be combining attributes and activities from multiple mine stories.

The point being, the story doesn’t match up to the clues from Waltz. 🤷🏼‍♂️ at least not that I’ve seen…… including “the Waltz Map”

I have to say that 14 Apache men + Haywood, each carrying out ~ 10 pounds of ore each. Why not 4 apache men, with each of 5 men carrying 30 pounds of ore….

What is it about the story, that has you believing it over all the other stories?

Help us understand 🙂
Sincerely,
Idahodutch

Axer,
The details of the story you talk about, seem to be combining attributes and activities from multiple mine stories.

The point being, the story doesn’t match up to the clues from Waltz. 🤷🏼‍♂️ at least not that I’ve seen…… including “the Waltz Map”

I have to say that 14 Apache men + Haywood, each carrying out ~ 10 pounds of ore each. Why not 4 apache men, with each of 5 men carrying 30 pounds of ore….

What is it about the story, that has you believing it over all the other stories?

Help us understand 🙂
Sincerely,
Idahodutch
Idahodutch, the only thing I truly believe from the Haywood story is that there is gold in the sups within reach if I can pin down the right mountain. When I compare different stories/maps and find some same things repeated I tend to believe that those repeated things are true. I believe a teenage Haywood lived on the Ft McDowell res at the springtime the group went into the mountains. I know the apache still train up some young by taking trips into the range. In the end what won my belief in the Haywood story was the various maps drawn poorly as if information was intentionally obscured and yet they all look just like maps to my favorite search site. Same with Jacob Waltz German clues. Anyway, I'm hoping you or yours get to the bottom of your chosen location and find oro.
 

This map is not for superstition MNTS proper, or should I say within the Wilderness area. If you follow it. It will take u to this deposit.
 

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That would be EJ Peak - so not sure how that even plays into the map or clues given by Waltz.

-SpartanOC
It doesnt , hense why I Said on page one, Id forget about this map. I can make a map to a mine and put Waltz on it and Say its the "Waltz map"... There is in my opinion only 2 true maps to the ldm " the waybill map" and the HP stone that are tied to the Location of the ldm. I tried to prove the waybill map my last trip , but after going to elhoyo, my freind had enough hiking wasnt up for another trek to prove that map. Will be another trip. Personally believe the HP stone , mine behind the ear is the LDM proper. Been there 3 times, know its mineralized , just didnt find the smoking gun. Did find the cave tho.
 

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It doesnt , hense why I Said on page one, Id forget about this map. I can make a map to a mine and put Waltz on it and Say its the "Waltz map"... There is in my opinion only 2 true maps to the ldm " the waybill map" and the HP stone that are tied to the Location of the ldm. I tried to prove the waybill map my last trip , but after going to elhoyo, my freind had enough hiking wasnt up for another trek to prove that map. Will be another trip. Personally believe the HP stone , mine behind the ear is the LDM proper. Been there 3 times, know its mineralized , just didnt find the smoking gun. Did find the cave tho.
I don't believe either of those maps will take you to the LDM. Maybe a mine in general - but not the LDM.

The LDM is in the Supes Wilderness, despite what many think.

-SpartanOC
 

I don't believe either of those maps will take you to the LDM. Maybe a mine in general - but not the LDM.

The LDM is in the Supes Wilderness, despite what many think.

-SpartanOC
I agree its in wilderness area , tho we have differences in what maps might take you there.
 

It is known, that there multiple ways to get to the LDM. Both are difficult to get through - but doable.

IF the ldm is the mine behind the horse ear on the HP, there are exactly 3 ways. all difficult. If its the waybill map then there is 1 Possibly 2. 1 is doable and most likely only way, 2 would be a bitch if possible.
 

IF the ldm is the mine behind the horse ear on the HP, there are exactly 3 ways. all difficult. If its the waybill map then there is 1 Possibly 2. 1 is doable and most likely only way, 2 would be a bitch if possible.

Well, that's providing you HAVE the correct location of said Mine.
 

Well, that's providing you HAVE the correct location of said Mine.
Till that day I can have indisputable evidence.. All Is conjecture , but my beliefs are stong and havent had anyone provide any proof of anything different. Crossing off mines on other maps one by one, and some rich float that makes me want to find my own mine.
 

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