The Treasure of Captain William Kidd.

[Randawg72]

Bocaj (Jacob?),
The Quedagh Merchant was a 400 ton ship full of valuable cargo. (Ref: Zacks' The Pirate Hunter, pg 155. Paraphrased).
"The bales of silk, muslin, calico, opium set the ships value at 400,000 rupees or £50,000.
In the Captain's cabin, Kidd found a locked chest containing rubies, emeralds, diamonds, and gold nuggets. Inside a silver jewel box were four diamonds set in gold lockets, and one very large diamond set in a gold ring. He also found a bag of silver rings, and precious stones, a bag of unpolished gems, pieces of crystal, carnelian rings, a bezoar stone, agates, amethysts, a bag of silver buttons, and a silver lamp weighing two pounds."

Remember that Kidd also captured The Rouparelle. The combined worth of Kidd's treasure (including the Gardiner's stash) would have been at least £110,000 to £120,000 pounds.

I'm sorry, but I just don't feel the Avery connection is feasible. As you said, it's all speculation, and no one can say with any certainty who's correct. There are many out there who think we're both wrong. And that's OK with me.

"When you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth." –Mr. Spock

 

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[Bocaj]

Bocaj (Jacob?),
The Quedagh Merchant was a 400 ton ship full of valuable cargo. (Ref: Zacks' The Pirate Hunter, pg 155. Paraphrased).
"The bales of silk, muslin, calico, opium set the ships value at 400,000 rupees or £50,000.
In the Captain's cabin, Kidd found a locked chest containing rubies, emeralds, diamonds, and gold nuggets. Inside a silver jewel box were four diamonds set in gold lockets, and one very large diamond set in a gold ring. He also found a bag of silver rings, and precious stones, a bag of unpolished gems, pieces of crystal, carnelian rings, a bezoar stone, agates, amethysts, a bag of silver buttons, and a silver lamp weighing two pounds."

Remember that Kidd also captured The Rouparelle. The combined worth of Kidd's treasure (including the Gardiner's stash) would have been at least £110,000 to £120,000 pounds.

I'm sorry, but I just don't feel the Avery connection is feasible. As you said, it's all speculation, and no one can say with any certainty who's correct. There are many out there who think we're both wrong. And that's OK with me.

"When you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth." –Mr. Spock

As I said I just assume that fact from both "Avery the Pirate" letters and also from comparing the included details with what is in the maps and Kidd's correspondence.
Also you above can't really account for 100k in gold (not goods) and precious stones neither. Apart from that the crew wouldn't let him hide the whole lot but his personally part only if at all! He did bury quite a bit already in Gardners island which was recovered before he came up with that 100k story, which clearly points to something else.
If you combine everything that is in the letters and maps it makes sense and also some details repeat - like those three stones. Too much of a coincidence from where I stand.
There is a lot of talk here about the Palmer maps being a hoax. I still fail to see any prove for either for or against it. Yes I have seen the photo with the map but what does that prove exactly? Also the the card where he tries to reconstruct the map with the help of that or other photos and whatever other info he got. The handwriting is clearly not the same from the maps (best compare the "L" letter). As for now I can't see any prove that they are not genuine. The only thing I can see is many have tried to identify that island and have failed and come to the conclusion because they didn't find it it doesn't exist.
Avery's and Kidd's treasure being the same is just a new thought and it takes a while for people to adjust their brains to accept at least the possibility and then maybe some progress in that matter will be made.

 

[ISmellGold]

Interesting British Pathé newsreel video of Elizabeth Dick showing off some of the pirate relics that she inherited after Hubert Palmer's passing in 1949.

Link:

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Obviously a lot of that stuff is not authentic. Pretty funny

 

[Randawg72]

As I said I just assume that fact from both "Avery the Pirate" letters and also from comparing the included details with what is in the maps and Kidd's correspondence.
Also you above can't really account for 100k in gold (not goods) and precious stones neither. Apart from that the crew wouldn't let him hide the whole lot but his personally part only if at all! He did bury quite a bit already in Gardners island which was recovered before he came up with that 100k story, which clearly points to something else.

It sounds like we agree more on this topic than we don't. I'm obviously not as versed on Avery's history as I am Kidd's. FYI, much of the QM's goods were sold for bar gold and nuggets before Kidd returned home. An interesting note is that Zacks' book also said that Captain Kidd inspected the "Quedagh" Captain's chest alone, and that Kidd "Likely showed the jewels to no one".
You are correct that nobody has presented any reasonable argument that the Kidd/Palmer charts are not authentic. There's a clear difference with the ones drawn by Wilkins. While I can't wrap my head around an Avery and Kidd collaboration, it really doesn't change my narrative much on Kidd's treasure.

 

[Randawg72]

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Obviously a lot of that stuff is not authentic. Pretty funny

So that's your only takeaway from that video? The shots of Kidd's famous "William and Sarah Kidd" work-box owned by Vice-Admiral Hardy, and the "Sir Henry Morgan" owned Skull chest are both magical to me. And the grainy glimpse of Kidd's actual "Skeleton" (or key) chart gives me goosebumps.

 

[ISmellGold]

So that's your only takeaway from that video? The shots of Kidd's famous "William and Sarah Kidd" work-box owned by Vice-Admiral Hardy, and the "Sir Henry Morgan" owned Skull chest are both magical to me. And the grainy glimpse of Kidd's actual "Skeleton" (or key) chart gives me goosebumps.

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